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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Byrd
reply to post by Hanslune
I thank you both for posting your thoughts.
Now can we all from now on stop with the "Assuming"
Originally posted by EltonJ
hmm. What about Agartha?
Originally posted by MagoSA
reply to post by Byrd
Considering the tech question has been put to rest :-) I would like to second Slayer's ice-dam theory with another example - the Bosporus flooding. This theory is offered to supplement Slayer's idea of ice-dams is possible, as this theory uses a similar mechanism, but in a more confined way.
Originally posted by Parta
Originally posted by Byrd
Speaking as someone who studies mythology -- no, that's not accurate. Most cultures (before Christianity hits them) do NOT have a "paradise" beginning and a "loss of innocence" and only the ones that live in areas where they get floods sometimes have a flood mythology.
mesopotamians do, zoroastrians do, hindus do, egyptians do and as i recall the chinese do. that is many if not most. the older ones have a few people and many animals taking refuge in a big earthen enclosure not a boat but it is unanimous that it was a very nice place that had a terrible flood.
Originally posted by Parta
reply to post by Harte
at any point did i say they shouldn't have flood stories? i thought the point was most do. like rivers which flood there is corruption needing destroying everywhere too so its no surprise that is a common co-theme. there are boat flood stories and earthen enclosure flood stories so i don't deny they are wildly diverse. boat stories and earthen enclosure coexisted in time [hindus and zoroastrians] and boat stories followed earthen enclosure stories in time too [as in mesopotamia]. how the ancients physically rendered these arks could have led to some confusion.
so what was your issue? wasn't it someone else that said all this wasn't how things actually are in the mythologies?
Originally posted by Harte
Originally posted by Parta
reply to post by Harte
at any point did i say they shouldn't have flood stories? i thought the point was most do. like rivers which flood there is corruption needing destroying everywhere too so its no surprise that is a common co-theme. there are boat flood stories and earthen enclosure flood stories so i don't deny they are wildly diverse. boat stories and earthen enclosure coexisted in time [hindus and zoroastrians] and boat stories followed earthen enclosure stories in time too [as in mesopotamia]. how the ancients physically rendered these arks could have led to some confusion.
so what was your issue? wasn't it someone else that said all this wasn't how things actually are in the mythologies?
The point was that flood stories (supposedly) tie together diverse cultures. People in this thread (and others) attempt to make that claim so that they can proceed with their Biblical flood claims.
However, in your response, you included a culture with no actual flood myth as being a culture with a flood myth.
That was my issue. It's nothing personal. It's me trying to provide a counterpoint in a thread as close to the original post as possible. I do this because threads like these show up in google searches on keywords like "flood myth." I used to use this site to find info I could search on.
We've spoken before on the lake of fire flood. I maintain that this was not a flood of Egypt. It was a flood in the underworkld.
I realize there are subtleties to your argument. However, in the end, there is no myth that claims any of Egypt was ever flooded. Other than (obviously) the annual Nile flood which was a huge part of their culture.
Harte
Originally posted by Harte
reply to post by Parta
See, here you go too far.
The legendary floods of almost all these other cultures were recorded as actual floods in the actual places where these cultures existed.
You can't argue that the Sumer flood myth was not couched in terms of a physical flood of the Tigris/Euphrates basin, for example.
On the other hand, I'm glad to see that we agree on something.
Harte
Originally posted by MagoSA
The Bosporus Flood Event , or Black Sea deluge theory, was put forth by William Ryan and Walter Pittman theorizing that a sill, formed when the Mediterreanean dropped below the level of the Bosporus Strait, was breached by rising sea levels and filled the Black Sea with an output of 200 Niagara Falls per day, or 40 cubic kilometers of water for approximately 300 days.
Originally posted by Parta
Originally posted by Harte
reply to post by Parta
See, here you go too far.
The legendary floods of almost all these other cultures were recorded as actual floods in the actual places where these cultures existed.
You can't argue that the Sumer flood myth was not couched in terms of a physical flood of the Tigris/Euphrates basin, for example.
On the other hand, I'm glad to see that we agree on something.
Harte
the flooding of enkis bolts was in the underworld. gilgamesh traveled to meet utnapishtim in the underworld.
i assumed he went there because thats where the flood happened not because he was just dead.
edit on 27-9-2011 by Parta because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Harte
My point was that the story itself is about a flood of the land, not of the underworld. In Egypt, the opposite appears to be the case.