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Why Israel Cant Win

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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Theres simply not going to be any justice for Israel.

As Netanyahu said in his speech, Israel from the VERY BEGINNING - was opposed by the Arab residents of Palestine.

In the 20s and 30's, Jewish communities were attacked In Hebron (the oldest city in Judaism) Safed, Tel Aviv and elsewlhere.

When the Jewish state was created in 1948, the Arab armies attacked.

There were no settlements then.... Do you people seriously not get it?? Its so simple.

Why hasnt the PLO, PA, Fatah or Hamas, acknowledged the right to existence of a Jewish state in Israel???

Think about it. Why on earth would Israel be so naive to think they can negotiate for 'peace' if the Arabs have for over 80 years, rejected a "jewish state"... Shouldnt the first principle of negotiations be for the PA to "accept a Jewish state"?? And if they reject such a principle, then wouldnt it be clearly obvious that they DO NOT Acknowledge a Jewish state? And thus have no intention of making "peace" with it?

Yet Israel is being commanded: leave the Westbank, and "trust" that Abbas and his cronies wont take advantage of it. That they wont use this gain as a means to take down the rest of the Jewish state. That terrorists wont use the mountaisn of the WestBank to launch missiles at Israels coastal economic heartland - Tel Aviv, Jaffa, Haifa.

Why wont people see what will happen to Israel if they leave the westbank??? Its Cruel and Callous to ignore this!. Its like telling someone, "run across the highway for peace!". "but ill get his by a car" "DO IT!!"...


Do you not care that it'll mean the murder of thousands, maybe millions of Jews?? Have you not seen what happened to Gush Katif as soon as Israel left?? The Islamists turned Gush Katif into a launching pad to shoot more missiles - from a closer spot - at Israels southern towns...



So whats the point?? Why is Israeli leadership even playing into the hands of its enemies?? This should be something any Israeli supporter should ask themselves.

And for everyone else. WAKE UP!

If Israel were to leave the west bank, not only would the westbanks 600,000 Jews be in trouble, but Israel would have given up a strategically important location enemies who wont EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE ITS RIGHT TO EXIST.

What happened in Gush katif would happen there. Terrorists woul start attacking Israeli cities - from their mountainous vantage point in the westbank - while Abbas could say "we do not encourage terrorism" meanwhle he does nothing to contain it.




posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Israel is actually the aggressor in most cases..
www.ifamericansknew.org...
www.jpost.com...
guardian.150m.com...
www.haaretz.com...
www.youtube.com...
www.poica.org...

I have no issue with the Jewish population, or any man for that matter, but the U.S. and Israel are attached at the hip, Israel is an aggressive state. I have seen all sides of the matter and the answer seems obvious to me. The citizens though, cannot be accounted for as a whole. That would be inhumane.


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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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this doesn't sound like a bad thing at all.....



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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Israel was created by selfish, greedy bankers... That's why they SHOULD fail...

Only painters know the true design of their painting while the public can only guess at it's true meaning...



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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Lol what are you talking about? Not only are your facts distorted, extremely, you obviously have no clue what UN membership or statehood would mean, beyond that, the US is obviously going to veto so you can calm the heck down.

If your insane ramblings have any resemblance of truth, then declaring Palestinian state hood is the only solution for Israel. No one, not even the US, likes what Israel is doing in regards to the Palestinian problem, but right now it's basically an internal issue.

Give them statehood, and they still attack, then Israel declares war, completely demolishes Gaza and takes the land for itself no questions asked.

You seem to think Israel is so weak and vulnerable, their military and equipment speak otherwise.

At least you didn't turn this into a racist diatribe but someone else surely will.

Anyways, why should they accept a jewish state when Israel won't even accept these peoples rights as human beings? This can only benefit Israel.

Statehood happens, they still attack Israel, the whole world undoubtedly sides with Israel because they tried to do the right thing.

Statehood happens, they don't attack Israel, and Israel gets the respect it feels it deserves from the international community.

See, i know for you Israel or die types, the entire world is the US and Israel. That isn't the case, there's a whole globe involved here, and 2 countries are NOT going to run the world, and they surely AREN'T going to be allowed to continue the atrocity that is Gaza.

Never again indeed



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
Why Israel Cant Win



Because it is entirely dependent on huge amounts of financial and military aid from the USA.

One day, 30 years, 100 years, 500 years from now, there will come a time when the USA is unwilling or unable to provide that support.
And thats when, as Ben Gurion put it, their enemies will push all the Jews into the sea.

Israel cant ever "win". Its really just delaying that inevitable day for as long as possible.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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Do you not care that it'll mean the murder of thousands, maybe millions of Jews?? Have you not seen what happened to Gush Katif as soon as Israel left?? The Islamists turned Gush Katif into a launching pad to shoot more missiles - from a closer spot - at Israels southern towns...


Yes, and what fuels that terrorism? THE GOD DAMN PALESTINIAN PROBLEM. Honestly, you can't be that thick.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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In all seriousness, I think you are partly right but also full of propaganda bs.

The Jews are not the propblem, the Zionists are. How come that Jews, Christians and Muslims lived peacefully side by side during the Ottoman Empire in Thessaloniki and Palestine...? But when the British Colonists came and tought them about nationalism, everything changed, and chaos was inevitable..

The Muslims even gave the Jews a place to live all through the Ottoman Empire (be it Anatolia, Palestine, North Africa..) when they were kicked out from Spain some hundred years ago. :|


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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Yeah, I heard what Netanyahu had to say regarding the settlements. I also heard what he said about Ahmedinajad claims about 9/11.

This coming from a man who said 9/11 was good for Israel. So do you agree with those sentiments?

The majority of Israeli's feel the Palestinians have a right to their own state. It's Israel's politicians who feel differently.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Why hasnt the PLO, PA, Fatah or Hamas, acknowledged the right to existence of a Jewish state in Israel???

are you sure about fatah with this ?



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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Theres simply not going to be any justice for Israel.


How about justice for Palestine too.



In the 20s and 30's, Jewish communities were attacked In Hebron (the oldest city in Judaism) Safed, Tel Aviv and elsewlhere


Wouldn't you be mad too if armed troops came to your home, kicked you out, then demolished it?



When the Jewish state was created in 1948, the Arab armies attacked.


As they should have, they would have won too if it wasn't for outside influences. If Mexico came and took Texas because the UN said so, the Americans would certainly attack.



There were no settlements then.... Do you people seriously not get it?? Its so simple.


There are settlements now... Do you seriously not get it?? It's so simple.



Why hasnt the PLO, PA, Fatah or Hamas, acknowledged the right to existence of a Jewish state in Israel???


Why hasn't Israel acknowledged the right for the existence of Palestine???



Think about it. Why on earth would Israel be so naive to think they can negotiate for 'peace' if the Arabs have for over 80 years, rejected a "jewish state"... Shouldnt the first principle of negotiations be for the PA to "accept a Jewish state"?? And if they reject such a principle, then wouldnt it be clearly obvious that they DO NOT Acknowledge a Jewish state? And thus have no intention of making "peace" with it?


Think about it. Have you had your head in the sand since the creation of Israel. Israel is just as if not more guilty for refusing to consider certain requests. If Israel really wanted peace, it would have happened by now.



Yet Israel is being commanded: leave the Westbank, and "trust" that Abbas and his cronies wont take advantage of it. That they wont use this gain as a means to take down the rest of the Jewish state. That terrorists wont use the mountaisn of the WestBank to launch missiles at Israels coastal economic heartland - Tel Aviv, Jaffa, Haifa.


Do you believe that garbage just because Netanyahu said it? If so I have some prime ocean front property in Nevada to sell you, at a great deal




Why wont people see what will happen to Israel if they leave the westbank??? Its Cruel and Callous to ignore this!. Its like telling someone, "run across the highway for peace!". "but ill get his by a car" "DO IT!!"...


Why don't you see what is happening to Palestinians in Gaza and the West bank. It's like telling them "Here run across this checkpoint, but you will get shot. Do it!!



Do you not care that it'll mean the murder of thousands, maybe millions of Jews?? Have you not seen what happened to Gush Katif as soon as Israel left?? The Islamists turned Gush Katif into a launching pad to shoot more missiles - from a closer spot - at Israels southern towns...


Do you not care about the thousands of, maybe millions of Palestinians suffering under the grip of a harsh blockade? Have you not seen what happened to the Gazan infrastructure due to Israeli airstrikes in the name of combatting "terrorists"?



So whats the point?? Why is Israeli leadership even playing into the hands of its enemies?? This should be something any Israeli supporter should ask themselves.


What's the point? You sound like Mr. Netanyahu himself. A true beacon of peace
. Why do you support a terrorist, oppressive regime that calls for others to act under international law, but ignore this advice themselves. That is the question any Israel supporter should ask themselves.



If Israel were to leave the west bank, not only would the westbanks 600,000 Jews be in trouble, but Israel would have given up a strategically important location enemies who wont EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE ITS RIGHT TO EXIST.


If Israel were to leave the West Bank, not only would there be more peace in that region, but Palestinians might be able to return to their land that has been stolen, bulldozed, and built over. And perhaps then Palestine would have the right to exist.

Goes both ways.
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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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Theres simply not going to be any justice for Israel.


Why exactly do they need justice? From what? As I see it they have been snatching up Palestinian settlements for a very long time.



As Netanyahu said in his speech, Israel from the VERY BEGINNING - was opposed by the Arab residents of Palestine.


I think you would be opposed too if someone came into your yard, stole your house and killed your family.



When the Jewish state was created in 1948, the Arab armies attacked.


And... they lost. So?



There were no settlements then.... Do you people seriously not get it?? Its so simple.


Do you have proof there were no settlements?



Why hasnt the PLO, PA, Fatah or Hamas, acknowledged the right to existence of a Jewish state in Israel???


Probably for the same reason Israel refuses to believe anyone is equal to them and deserves human rights.



Think about it. Why on earth would Israel be so naive to think they can negotiate for 'peace' if the Arabs have for over 80 years, rejected a "jewish state"... Shouldnt the first principle of negotiations be for the PA to "accept a Jewish state"?? And if they reject such a principle, then wouldnt it be clearly obvious that they DO NOT Acknowledge a Jewish state? And thus have no intention of making "peace" with it?


"Peace" is a two way street. Who broke the peace in 2008? Hint: It wasn't the Palestinians. Israel has no interest in peace. They want land. Homes and land are very expensive in Israel. They want it all. And they want it only Jewish. Arabs in Israel are considered "dogs" and "slaves". Think i'm wrong?



Yet Israel is being commanded: leave the Westbank, and "trust" that Abbas and his cronies wont take advantage of it. That they wont use this gain as a means to take down the rest of the Jewish state. That terrorists wont use the mountaisn of the WestBank to launch missiles at Israels coastal economic heartland - Tel Aviv, Jaffa, Haifa.


They are asking for all land back that was taken AFTER the 6 day war. I don't know if I agree necessarily with that. However, if they were to right here, right now just ask for Gaza, that still wouldn't be ok with Israel. And please oh please explain to me how giving Palestine statehood is going to suddenly make them a military might that could "take down" Israel????



Why wont people see what will happen to Israel if they leave the westbank??? Its Cruel and Callous to ignore this!. Its like telling someone, "run across the highway for peace!". "but ill get his by a car" "DO IT!!"...


What is "cruel and callous" is to impose a blockade around Gaza and let its citizens starve to death and die of simple diseases, because Israelis are so paranoid that everyone is out to get them.





Do you not care that it'll mean the murder of thousands, maybe millions of Jews?? Have you not seen what happened to Gush Katif as soon as Israel left?? The Islamists turned Gush Katif into a launching pad to shoot more missiles - from a closer spot - at Israels southern towns...


Fear mongering much? The murder of millions of Jews? What do you base this on? One incident?? All I have to say in response is Cast Lead.



So whats the point?? Why is Israeli leadership even playing into the hands of its enemies?? This should be something any Israeli supporter should ask themselves.


That is the problem right there. You see them as "the enemies". And that is why there will never be a peace agreement between Israelis and Palestinians. But that does NOT mean Palestine does not deserve statehood. They should have been granted statehood on the exact same day that Israel was created.




And for everyone else. WAKE UP!

If Israel were to leave the west bank, not only would the westbanks 600,000 Jews be in trouble, but Israel would have given up a strategically important location enemies who wont EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE ITS RIGHT TO EXIST.

What happened in Gush katif would happen there. Terrorists woul start attacking Israeli cities - from their mountainous vantage point in the westbank - while Abbas could say "we do not encourage terrorism" meanwhle he does nothing to contain it.


What exactly are we supposed to wake up too? Fear mongering? Worry that something will magically happen because people want to be recognized and be afforded basic human rights??? Yes I'm sure that the moment Palestine is recognized, bombs would start blowing up all over Israel. Give me a break. You are the one who needs to "Wake up".



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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What gives Israel the "right to exist"? It is an artificial creation, created by stealing someone else's land. How did they get that "right"? And didnt' the people they murdered to get this land have the right to be there?

They were offered Madagascar, and several other places, but they didn't want that. They wanted to go to the middle of where they knew everyone around hated them, just to stir things up.

Oh, wait, I forgot. They get this "right" because it says so in some book that THEY WROTE THEMSELVES.

If they didn't get BILLIONS PER YEAR plus tons of weapons etc. from the powerful US, they would be annihilated in a NY minute.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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Why did the Arabs start defending in 48? Because Israel had already started stealing land and began ethnic cleansing.

No settlements then? Your forgetting Gush Etzion—four communities, established between 1927 and 1947, destroyed 1948. Hebron—Jewish presence since biblical times, forced out in the wake of the 1929 Hebron massacre, some families returned in 1931 but were evacuated by the British, a few buildings resettled in 1967. Kfar Darom—established in 1946, evacuated in 1948, resettled in 1970, evacuated in 2005 as part of the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. Kalia and Beit HaArava—the former was built in 1934 as a kibbutz for potash mining. The latter was built in 1943 as an agricultural community. Both were abandoned in 1948, and subsequently destroyed by Jordanian forces, and resettled after the Six Day War.

Now let me ask you how would Israel act if the roles were reversed? What would the do if a foreign government stepped in and said because of people believing and old story thinks this land belongs to them so we are taking it away from you and giving it to them. What would Israel do then?



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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For kicks and #tles, here is a taping of Oprah about Jewish families who participate in a few great things...

Rape
Murder for the acclamation of power
Breeding babies, with the sole purpose of sacrificing them..
Appearing to be great, upstanding citizens of the community..

Sounds a bit like what we see from the Zionists that represent the Jewish people eh?




posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Having a palestinian state is all fine and dandy, the problem is the terrorist government Hamas that runs it and that the palestinian people support them. You will never have peace as long as whoever is controlling the government is calling for peoples' blood while thir own people cheer them on. In case you havent noticed, this is a religious war. Extremist muslim versus extremist jew, and when those 2 combinations mix, all youre ever going to see is bloodshed.

Take out Hamas and adopt a peaceful form of government, and then the Israelis will give them their statehood, but Jerusalem belongs to the jews, it always has and always should. There is more than enough land for the palestinians to prosper on once they lay down their weapons and make peace and begin to tend to their lands and create trade and commerce. This does not have to turn into a full on holy war, its these hard headed, thick skulled neanderthals who refuse to come to a solid compromise that is mutually beneficial for all peoples that even keeps this strife going. Israel can make the compromise to give the palestinians a statehood, and the palestinians can make the compromise to over throw Hamas and elect a a peaceful government with a separation from church and state so that these extremist nutbags cannot get into office and cause chaos on an international level.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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The Hamas only rule in Gaza. Hamas has nothing to do with the Palestinians in the West Bank where Fatah rules and both are not really the closest friends. >.<

Just take a look at how Hamas treats their citizens and you will see if people really support Hamas or not. Wonder where you got your disinfo from...


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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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DAS JUDEN!!!!!!!
some lightheartedness.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Kemal
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The Hamas only rule in Gaza. Hamas has nothing to do with the Palestinians in the West Bank where Fatah rules and both are not really the closest friends. >.<

Just take a look at how Hamas treats their citizens and you will see if people really support Hamas or not.
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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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I want to make a comment on the video you had posted.. Those children are being brainwashed, and that is so easy to see. That clip made me extremely sad, because I wouldn't know if those kids were Jewish if I ran into them on the street.



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