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A list of 117 top scientists dead... "ahem"... assassinated so far (and rising).

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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Here are articles about the dead microbiologists....whatreallyhappened.com... www.stevequayle.com...

Very dangerous profession. Statistically impossible.




posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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I know just before the H1N1 scare there were a bunch a microbiologist die in accidental deaths that were dealing with biological weapons for the government.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
This is number 117 just recently:



The director of the University of Arizona Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and head of the planetary sciences department has died.

The university says 65-year-old Professor Michael Drake died Wednesday at the University of Arizona Medical Center in Tucson.

Drake joined the UA planetary sciences faculty in 1973 and headed the planetary sciences department since 1994.

He was the principal investigator of the most ambitious UA project to date -- an $800 million mission designed to retrieve a sample of an asteroid and return it to Earth.

Drake played a key role in a succession of ever more high-profile space projects including the Cassini mission to explore Saturn, the Gamma-Ray Spectrometer onboard NASA's Mars Odyssey Orbiter, the HiRISE camera onboard NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and the Phoenix Mars Lander.

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I guess this makes it the 117th "mysterious death" on the list of scientists dead so far (or should I say assassinated?) - Coincidentally right after they made ground breaking discoveries in their respective fields (which never got followed on after they died).


If you connect the dots to Mars (relating to all the anomalous structures NASA has continuously tried to debunk) and a certain Asteroid/Comet possibly heading our way, you can begin to see why this particular top scientist from the University of Arizona "suddenly died".

And before any debunker or sceptic says theirs "no evidence of foul play involved", then tell me:

If there was ANY evidence in the first place, the Assassin wouldn't be doing their job very well then, don't you think?


And another thing to sceptics and debunkers who are quick to bring out the "death by natural causes" card:

Even Assassinations can sometimes be made to look like NATURAL CAUSES
edit on 23-9-2011 by CasiusIgnoranze because: .


you could be right. except it seems to me the only good reason the governement would "ahem" assassinate them is to avoid paying their retirements.

cheaper to kill 'em.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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how about the Airmen involved with teh n88kuluhr accident in t3h fariforce based in sloth derkato, ? se3vent33n or 18 othem deadered might seriously too



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by 2PLUS2IS22
how about the Airmen involved with teh n88kuluhr accident in t3h fariforce based in sloth derkato, ? se3vent33n or 18 othem deadered might seriously too


dood....what?



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Excellent post my friend, this is the reason why people say...... Oh, well if thats true somebody would have said something by now........ Um, no they wouldn't because they have already had an accident.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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I think you are right especially if it comes down to assasinations without a trace.

Plenty of chemicals around that fake a heart attack or cause spontaneous cancer growth, and that's just 2 of the options they have.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by Heyyo_yoyo
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze
 


Um... your link lists dead scientists, and a brief bio about them, which reveals that alot of these scientists had NOTHING to do with what you insinuate. Point in case:


#104 Bradley C. Livezey, 56, died in a car crash Feb. 8. Livezey knew nearly everything about the songs of birds and was considered the top anatomist. Livezey, curator of The Carnegie Museum of Natural History, never gave up researching unsolved mysteries of the world's 20,000 or so avian species. Carnegie curator since 1993, Livezey oversaw a collection of nearly 195,000 specimens of birds, the country's ninth largest. Livezey died in a two-car crash on Route 910, authorities said. An autopsy revealed he died from injuries to the head and trunk, the Allegheny County Medical Examiner's Office said. Northern Regional Police are investigating.


What does bird songs have to do with highly classified NASA Mars projects?

Granted, this list of deceased scientists shows that most of these deaths can be questioned, it certainly doesn't provide a conspiracy for a Mars/ Elenin relationship that the governments of the world are trying desparately to hide...


Oddly enough, Mr. Livezy died a month after birds started dropping out of the sky in droves.
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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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does this involve some of the assassins that got caught in accidents as well? There was a scientist that was to be kill and instead of him being killed, the agency that was to kill this one man had all 900 agents killed in accidents.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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The sad thing is we will never KNOW for SURE. We can sit here and play speculation all day, but it doesn't really get us anywhere to be honest.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 12:27 AM
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Nothing like some good ol' fear mongering huh? I read through that entire list and WOW are there some issues. Like these, to start:

(X) Number 005 was the daughter of Dr. Tsunao Saitoh not a scientist, so she is excluded.

(X)Number 006 Mark Prudey’s Lawyer not a scientist, excluded.

(X)Number 007 Mark Prudey’s Vet, not a scientist, excluded.

(X)And finally number 113, there is no 113 it is a phantom.

(X)Number 016-020 - Five Unnamed Microbiologists. Died: October 4, 2001. Four of Five unnamed microbiologists on a plane that was brought down by a missile near the Black sea on the Russian border.
Without names and a way to verify the identities of these people you cannot include them on the list can you? And if we don't know who they are how can we be sure they were "top scientists" or scientist at all?

Right away we dropped 8 just by reading the list, we now have 109 scientists. I have broken down the rest into categories based on cause of death, starting with Natural Causes.

Natural Causes:

(X)Number 009 - Sidney Harshman, age 67. Died: Dec. 25, 1997, from complications of diabetes. He was a professor of microbiology and immunology.
The guy was 67 and a history of Diabetes why would somebody kill him now and killing with Diabetes seems like a pretty protracted way of killing somebody doesn't it?

(X)Number 012 - Walter W. Shervington, M.D., age 62. Died: April 15, 2000 of cancer at Tulane Medical Hospital.
Same as above, why now?

(X)Number 040 - Carlo Urbani, age 46. Died: in April 2003 in Bangkok from SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) - the new disease that he had helped to identify. Because of close daily contact with SARS patients, he contracted the infection.
Seems pretty clear cut you are at a higher risk of catching something the more you are exposed to it.

(X)Number 048 - Robert Shope, age 74. Died: January 23, 2004. Virus Expert Who Warned of Epidemics, Dies died of lung transplant complications. Later purported to have died of Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis which can be caused by either environmental stimulus or a VIRUS.
Again death seems pretty straight forward


()Number 049 - Dr. Michael Patrick Kiley, age 62. Died: January 24, 2004. Died of massive heart attack. Ebola, Mad Cow Expert, top of the line world class. It is interesting to note, he had a good heart, but it "gave out". Dr. Shope and Dr. Kiley were working on the lab upgrade to BSL 4 at the UTMB Galvaston lab for Homeland Security. The lab would have to be secure to house some of the deadliest pathogens of tropical and emerging infectious disease as well as bioweaponized ones.
This is the first "suspicious"death I've seen, man with no heart problems dies of heart attack (not unheard of) but suspicious especially considering his field of work.

()Number 050 - Vadake Srinivasan, Died: March 13, 2004. Microbiologist crashed car into guard rail in Baton Rouge, LA. Death was ruled a stroke.
I'll give this one to you but it's a stretch.

(X)Number 056 - Thomas Gold, age 84. Died: June 22, 2004. Austrian born Thomas Gold famous over the years for a variety of bold theories that flout conventional wisdom and reported in his 1998 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," the idea challenges the accepted wisdom of how oil and natural gas are formed. Long term battle with heart failure.
Heart issues, 84 years old.

()Number 057 - Dr. Assefa Tulu, age 45. Died: June 24, 2004. He also designed a system for detecting a bioterrorism attack involving viruses or bacterial Found face down, dead in his office. The Dallas County Epidemiologist died of a hemorrhagic stroke.
I only gave you this one because of his age and cause of death

()Number 062 - Professor Stephen Tabet, age 42. Died on July 6, 2004 from an unknown illness. A world-renowned HIV doctor and researcher who worked with HIV patients in a vaccine clinical trial for the HIV Vaccine Trials Network.
Extremely doubtful but I can't say otherwise with info presented

(X)Number 064 - Dr. John Badwey, age 54. Died: July 21, 2004. Suddenly developed pneumonia like symptoms then died in two weeks. Biochemist at Harvard Medical School specializing in infectious diseases.
Pneumonia seems like a clumsy way to kill and not very reliable as most people survive it.

Now we are at 103 deaths, as we are just getting started.

Natural Causes (continue on next post)



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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what were you thinking coming to this site suggesting that a conspiracy took place.

conspiracies dont take place. ever.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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Natural Causes (continued from previous post)

()Number 068 - John R. La Montagne, age 61. Died: November 2, 2004. Died while in Mexico, no cause stated, later disclosed as pulmonary embolism. PhD, Head of US Infectious Diseases unit under Tommie Thompson.
I guess it could be but I remain doubtful.

()Number 077 - Todd Kauppila, age 41. Died: May 8, 2005 of hemorrhagic pancreatitis at the Los Alamos hospital, according to the state medical examiner's office. Picture of him was not available to due secret nature of his work. Kauppila said he was fired because he did not immediately return from a family vacation during a lab investigation into two classified computer disks that were thought to be missing.
I'll buy this one.

()Number 080 - Lee Jong-woo, age 61. Died: May 22, 2006 after suffering a blood clot on the brain. Lee was spearheading the organization's fight against global threats from bird flu, AIDS and other infectious diseases.
Sure

(x)Number 090 - Wallace L. Pannier, 81. Died Aug. 6 of respiratory failure and other natural causes. Pannier, a germ warfare scientist whose top-secret projects included a mock attack on the New York subway with powdered bacteria in 1966.
81, respiratory failure, this was no hit.

(x)Number 093 - Keith Fagnou, 38. Died November 11 of H1N1. His research focused on improving the preparation of complex molecules for petrochemical, pharmaceutical or industrial uses.
Proximity to contagion increases risk of infection and a poor way to kill, way too survivable.

()Number 099- Franco Cerrina, 62. Died July 12 was found dead in a lab at BU’s Photonics Center on Monday morning. The cause of death is not yet known, but have ruled out homicide. Cerrina joined the faculty of BU in 2008 after spending 24 years on the faculty at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
I guess, but why him?

()Number 115 - Jonathan Widom, 55, died July 18 of an apparent heart attack. He was a professor of Molecular Biosciences in the Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences at Northwestern University. Colleagues said the work has had profound implications for how genes are able to be read in the cell and how mutations outside of the regions that encode proteins can lead to errors and disease.
I'll buy it.

(x)Number 117 - The director of the University of Arizona Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and head of the planetary sciences department has died. The university says 65-year-old Professor Michael Drake died Wednesday at the University of Arizona Medical Center in Tucson.
azstarnet.com...
Guy had a Liver transplant and was 65, not a hit.

After going through all the Natural Causes we are down to 99 scientists on the wall. This is looking less and less like a grand conspiracy to me and more like poor research on that website's part.

Next cause of death up is

Work Related:

()Number 026 - Dr. Set Van Nguyen, age 44. Died: December 14, 2001. Found dead in the airlock entrance to the walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory he worked at in Victoria State, Australia. The room was full of deadly gas which had leaked from a liquid nitrogen cooling system. Working on a vaccine to protect against biological weapons, or a weapon itself.
Plausible

(x)Number 055 - Antonina Presnyakova, age 46. Died: May 25, 2004. A Russian scientist at a former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia died after an accident with a needle laced with ebola.
Accidents do happen and she would not be the first scientist to die from mishandling samples.

()Number 074 - Geetha Angara, age 43. Died: February 8, 2005. This formerly missing chemist was found in a Totowa, New Jersey water treatment plant's tank. Angara, 43, of Holmdel, was last seen on the night of Feb. 8 doing water quality tests at the Passaic Valley Water Commission plant in Totowa, where she worked for 12 years. Divers found her body in a 35-foot-deep sump opening at the bottom of one of the emptied tanks.
Very suspicious

()Number 091 - Malcolm Casadaban, 60. Died Sept. 13 of plague. Casadaban, a renowned molecular geneticist with a passion for new research, had been working to develop an even stronger vaccine for the plague. The medical center says the plague bacteria he worked with was a weakened strain that isn't known to cause illness in healthy adults.
This one needs more research, but for now I agree.

At the end of Work related we are down to 98 scientists.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 01:34 AM
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Car Accidents:

()Number 002 Dr. C. Bruton, a CJD specialist -- who had just produced a paper on the a new strain of CJD -- was killed in a car crash before his work was announced to the public. Purdey speculates that Bruton might have known more than what was revealed in his paper.
Again with Purdey, I didn't dig deeper into this one so sure.

()Number 010 - Elizabeth A. Rich, M.D., age 46. Died July 10, 1998, in a traffic accident while visiting family in Tennessee.

()Number 037 - Dr. David Wynn-Williams, age 55. Died: March 24, 2002. Hit by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England.

(x)Number 039 - Roman Kuzmin. Died December 2002. A 24-year-old Russian surgeon studying in Connecticut was fatally struck by a car as he fled a store with three stolen rolls of film, police said.
Nope this wasn't a hit, and he was top scientist?

()Number 044 - Michael Perich, age 46. Died: October 11, 2003. Died in one-vehicle car accident. The LSU West Nile research scientist was wearing his seat belt and drowned.

()Number 046 - Robert Aranosia, age 61. Died: December 18, 2003. While driving south on I-75 his pickup truck went off the freeway near a bridge over the Kawkawlin River.

(x)Number 070, 071 - Tom Thorne, age 64; Beth Williams, age 53; Died: December 29, 2004. Two wild life scientists, Husband-and-wife wildlife veterinarians who were nationally prominent experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis were killed in a snowy-weather crash on U.S. 287 in northern Colorado.
I vote just a regular accident on this one, northern Colorado in winter in "snowy weather".

()Number 081 - Yoram Kaufman, age 57 (one day before his 58th birthday). Died: May 31, 2006 when he was struck by an automobile while riding his bicycle near the Goddard center's campus in Greenbelt. Dr. Kaufman began working at the space flight center in 1979 and spent his entire career there as a research scientist.

(x)Number 092 - Stephen Lagakos, 63. Died October 12 in an auto collision, wife, Regina, 61, and his mother, Helen, 94, were also killed in the crash, as was the driver of the other car, Stephen Krause, 52, of Keene, N.H. Lagakos centered his efforts on several fronts in the fight against AIDS particularly how and when HIV-infected women transmitted the virus to their children.
Seems like a bad hitman if they die too doesn't it, this was just an accident.

()Number 101 - Mark A. Smith, 45. Died Nov. 15 renowned Alzheimer's disease researcher has died after being hit by a car in Ohio. Smith was a pathology professor at Case Western Reserve University and director of basic science research at the university's memory and cognition center.

()Number 104 - Bradley C. Livezey, 56, died in a car crash Feb. 8. Livezey knew nearly everything about the songs of birds and was considered the top anatomist. Livezey, curator of The Carnegie Museum of Natural History, never gave up researching unsolved mysteries of the world's 20,000 or so avian species.
pine-richland.patch.com...
He lost control in icy conditions, accident.

()Number 045 - Robert Leslie Burghoff, age 45. Died: November 20, 2003. Scientist. Killed by a hit and run driver that jumped the curb and ploughed into him in the 1600 block of South Braeswood, Texas. The driver was described as a short Hispanic man in his 50s with a slightly rounded face. He was studying the virus plaguing cruise ships.

()Number 116 - Zachary Greene Warfield, 35, died July 4 in a boating accident on the Potomac River. Zack was a co-founder and a member of the Board of Directors for Omnis, Inc., a McLean, VA-based strategic consulting firm for the intelligence, defense and national security communities. he assessed missile and space systems, managed technical contracts, and investigated Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) program as a member of the Iraq Survey Group, serving in Baghdad on two separate occasions.
Boating accident on July 4th weekend, guess I can't rule out a hit. yeah I know this wasn't a car accident but close enough.

Scientist down to 95.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Sometimes, when I look up into the sky, I see shapes in the clouds.
I heard someone once saw Jesus in their toast.
Funny what the mind can do.

www.thealmightyguru.com...

this should help.
As should a tinfoil hat.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 01:42 AM
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That list has some fishy deaths but if they are gonna try to sound legit, they should at least get the simple math correct...

#112-114 Fanjun Meng, 29, and Chunyang Zhang, 26, drowned in a Branson hotel swimming pool. Both were from China and working in the anatomic pathology lab at the University of Missouri-Columbia. Meng was a visiting scholar and his wife, Zhang, was a research specialist, according to information at the university's website. Meng was working on research looking at a possible link between pesticides and Parkinson's disease.Police said the investigation is ongoing as to the cause of the drowning but had said earlier there was no sign of foul play.

Two people died and they counted as three for example.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
This is number 117 just recently:



The director of the University of Arizona Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and head of the planetary sciences department has died.

The university says 65-year-old Professor Michael Drake died Wednesday at the University of Arizona Medical Center in Tucson.

Drake joined the UA planetary sciences faculty in 1973 and headed the planetary sciences department since 1994.

He was the principal investigator of the most ambitious UA project to date -- an $800 million mission designed to retrieve a sample of an asteroid and return it to Earth.

Drake played a key role in a succession of ever more high-profile space projects including the Cassini mission to explore Saturn, the Gamma-Ray Spectrometer onboard NASA's Mars Odyssey Orbiter, the HiRISE camera onboard NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and the Phoenix Mars Lander.

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I guess this makes it the 117th "mysterious death" on the list of scientists dead so far (or should I say assassinated?) - Coincidentally right after they made ground breaking discoveries in their respective fields (which never got followed on after they died).


If you connect the dots to Mars (relating to all the anomalous structures NASA has continuously tried to debunk) and a certain Asteroid/Comet possibly heading our way, you can begin to see why this particular top scientist from the University of Arizona "suddenly died".

And before any debunker or sceptic says theirs "no evidence of foul play involved", then tell me:

If there was ANY evidence in the first place, the Assassin wouldn't be doing their job very well then, don't you think?


And another thing to sceptics and debunkers who are quick to bring out the "death by natural causes" card:

Even Assassinations can sometimes be made to look like NATURAL CAUSES
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So by your logic ANYONE with access to touchy info or that has discovered something interesting that dies was assassinated if their death appeared to have no sign of assassination. This is a real stretch.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 02:07 AM
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Next up

Airplanes:

(x)Number 011 - Jonathan Mann, age 51. Died September 1998, in Swissair Flight 111 over Canada. He was founding director of the World Health Organization's global Aids program and founded Project SIDA in Zaire, the most comprehensive Aids research effort in Africa at the time, and in 1986 he joined the WHO to lead the global response against Aids.
en.wikipedia.org...
Looks to be a typical airplane crash, before bashing me read the article.

()Number 022, 023, 024 - Avishai Berkman, age 50. (no photo) Amiramp Eldor, age 59 Yaacov Matzner, age 54 All Died: November 24, 2001. Another airplane crash kills 3 scientists. At about the time of the Black Sea crash, Israeli journalists had been sounding the alarm that two Israeli microbiologists had been murdered, allegedly by terrorists; including the head of the Hematology department at Israel's Ichilov Hospital, as well as directors of the Tel Aviv Public Health Department and Hebrew University School of Medicine.
www.infowars.com...
On the surface looks pretty typical except for the fact that on October 1, 2001 over the Black Sea just one month prior another airline tragedy occurred.
en.wikipedia.org...

()Number 037 - Steven Mostow, age 63. Died: March 25, 2002. One of the country's leading infectious disease and bioterrorism experts, he died in a plane crash near Centennial Airport. Mostow was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.
Suspicious

(x)Number 058 - Dr. Paul Norman, age 52. Died: June 27, 2004. From Salisbury Wiltshire. Killed when the single-engine Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon. Expert in chemical and biological weapons. He traveled the world lecturing on defending against the scourge of weapons of mass destruction.
www.dailymail.co.uk...
Seems like pilot error.

()Number 076 - David Banks, age 55. Died: May 8, 2005. Banks, based in North Queensland, died in an airplane crash, along with 14 others. Banks was the principal scientist with quarantine authority, Biosecurity Australia, and heavily involved in protecting Australians from unwanted diseases and pests. Most of Dr Banks' work involved preventing potentially devastating diseases making their way into Australia.
Unexplained
()Number 107, 108, 109, 110, 111 - Andrei Tropinov, Sergei Rizhov, Gennadi Benyok, Nicolai Tronov and Valery Lyalin, in a Russian plane crash. The five scientists were employed at the Hydropress factory, a member of Russia's state nuclear corporation and had assisted in the development of Iran's nuclear plant. Theyworked at the Bushehr nuclear power plant and helped to complete construction of it. Officially Russian investigators say that human error and technical malfunction caused the deadly crash, which killed 45 and left 8 passengers surviving.
www.foxnews.com...
My ass, this was a hit.

List is shrinking, down to 93 scientists.

Car Bombs:

()Number 067 - Matthew Allison, age 32. Died: October 13, 2004. Fatal explosion of a car parked at an Osceola County, Fla., Found inside a burned car. Witnesses said the man left the store at about 11 p.m. and entered his Ford Taurus car when it exploded. Allison had a college degree in molecular biology and biotechnology.
It being a car bomb it was no accident, was he a top scientist or just a regular run of the mill kind?

()Number 103 - Dr Massoud Ali Mohammadi, 50, was assassinated Jan. 11 when a remote-control bomb inside a motorcycle near his car was detonated. This professor of nuclear physics at Tehran University was politically active and his name was on a list of Tehran University staff who supported Mir Hossein Mousavi according to Newsweek. The London Times reports that Dr. Ali-Mohammadi told his students to speak out against the unjust elections. He stated "We have to stand up to this lot. Don't be afraid of a bullet. It only hurts at the beginning." Iran seems to be systematically assassinating high level professors and doctors who speak out against the regime of President Ahmadinejad.
This guy was a wanted man, again car bomb absolutely a hit but by who?

The count stays at 93 scientists.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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Hello - I could not help but join in. I believe something is not right. There is technology that is beyond what we are taught in school - beyond what we see in the media - the technology that is available to those who work within the many areas of science - welllllll - I imagine scientists have access to technology and information that is way beyond our everyday understanding.

In the current issue of Uncensored - No. 25 September/December 2011 there is a very interesting article that relates directly to this thread. On page 78 - headline reads Comet Elenin: 2 Assassinated Astronomers....The article commences with the sentence - The team at Wikistrike consequently and lengthily reflected before publishing this most important information. To summarise ...Brian Geoffrey Marsden (5th August 1937 - 18th November 2010) and Allan Rex Sandage (18th June 1926 - 13th November 2010) both died of acute encephalomyelitis which is an inflammatory demyelinating disease of the central nervous system. It may occur as secondary to a viral infection or following a vaccination - it can also appear spontaneously - it usually affects children and teenagers with the majority of 5 - 8 years olds becoming ill.

Here is the big one ...this disease may perhaps be innoculated by means of an aerosol - a weapon very often used by the CIA.

My observation about the avian scientist - I note he is an expert anatomist which suggests he knew about way more than simply birds - birds were probably one area in which he specialised.

My intuition/gut instinct/higher intellect tells me these people were expendible - we know the cabal/illuminati/whatever have no remorse no conscious they probably have no soul. Don't forget the psych ops and mind control that its utilised as well.

May they all rest in peace and guide the rest of us now that they are in spirit. Much Peace...



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 02:18 AM
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Really? Where is that written down?




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