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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by thereisnotry
I was skeptical about chemtrails for a long time. The topic would come up in conversation and I would attempt to "debunk" the chemtrails as simply contrails or cloud formations. Then one day I happened to look up at the sky and watched a jet passing. I observed the contrail and then compared it to a chemtrail that was also in the sky.
The difference was unmistakable. I'm not sure what they are, but they certainly aren't contrails.


It sounds like the difference you saw was simply between persistent contrails and short contrails.

Both types can form in the same sky. Usually because the planes are at different altitudes. See:

contrailscience.com...




posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Thanks for the link. I do have some questions though that weren't answered on that site. Do contrails stop spraying soon after making X's? I saw 4 planes that did this last evening within 20-30 minutes of each other.

Also, why all the X patterns? Whenever you see one of the long streaks, rest assured it will be X'd in no time, sometimes in multiple places which was the case last night as well.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by hamilton77
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Thanks for the link. I do have some questions though that weren't answered on that site. Do contrails stop spraying soon after making X's? I saw 4 planes that did this last evening within 20-30 minutes of each other.


Nothing stops "spraying" (the aircraft exhaust is coming out just the same). But contrails will stop forming when the plane leaves a region of air with high humidity. That's why different planes will stop leaving a contrail at approximately the same position.



Also, why all the X patterns? Whenever you see one of the long streaks, rest assured it will be X'd in no time, sometimes in multiple places which was the case last night as well.


It depends on where you live, and the traffic patterns over it. Some places, such as the West Coast of the USA have mostly North/South traffic, so you get mostly parallel lines. Other places have traffic going in all directions, or are near an intersection of an airway (airways are pretty nominal, and can be essentially 20+ miles wide), so you get more X patterns, or grids.

You see an X when the region of high humidity is relatively small.

Think of it this way: Take a sheet of paper, draw a random area a couple or inches wide in the middle of it. Draw a bunch of straight lines randomly across the paper. Where they cross the region, draw them in as contrails. You'll get an X sometime, and if you get a long streak, it will get X'd.

It's just random air traffic, there's nothing special about the X shape.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by hamilton77

Also, why all the X patterns? Whenever you see one of the long streaks, rest assured it will be X'd in no time, sometimes in multiple places which was the case last night as well.


See following video. Half the ignorance out there is because people don't understand how airliners using the upper air routes are controlled by Air Traffic Control? The skies are a busy place and air routes can cross over each other. There are also military aircraft that are allowed to cross above the airliner air routes. Is it any wonder that contrails will appear and X patterns form.



For air routes in the US see following guide at the ATS link. Quite easy for you to follow the routes in your region via Skyvector.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

TJ
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posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Continue your desperate attempts to debunk. Link me to contrailscience one more time please.

The Chmetrail phenomenon is real, the shadows and Light are not to blame here.

Eyes to the skies.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Some photos of contrail shadows -

Weatherscape

Atoptics1

Atoptics - aircraft chases it's own shadow.....

Wiki photo

Lew - some guy on the 'net....



Thanks for the photos, cool! But nope! No shadows here. Black chemtrails.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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The X pattern is optimal for the particulate to spread in specific wind conditions.
On days where wind conditions are different, you may see other patterns.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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"See following video. Half the ignorance out there is because people don't understand how airliners using the upper air routes are controlled by Air Traffic Control? The skies are a busy place and air routes can cross over each other. There are also military aircraft that are allowed to cross above the airliner air routes. Is it any wonder that contrails will appear and X patterns form. "


-snip- There are also military aircraft that are allowed to cross above the airliner air routes.
-snip- Is it any wonder that contrails will appear and X patterns form

The aircraft that dump the chemtrails.... are military. So, yes it isn't any wonder as to why this is happening.

Military operation. Sky oddities.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Nah - the 1st one is clearly shadow, the 2nd one looks like a contrail that is not directly lit by the sun - even on Chemtrail Central they acknowledge this -


What is the deal with the black lines?

Dark lines or trails in the sky can be caused by a variety of things. Sometimes even normal contrails can appear dark due to lighting effects or excessive pollution.


(it also mentions shadows, but the 2nd video clearly isn't one....)

X's are a lousy way to evenly distribute anything - you get a concentration at het middle of the "X" wher the lines meet, and weakening concentrations along the arms the further away from the centre you get.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Nah - the 1st one is clearly shadow, the 2nd one looks like a contrail that is not directly lit by the sun - even on Chemtrail Central they acknowledge this -


What is the deal with the black lines?

Dark lines or trails in the sky can be caused by a variety of things. Sometimes even normal contrails can appear dark due to lighting effects or excessive pollution.


(it also mentions shadows, but the 2nd video clearly isn't one....)

X's are a lousy way to evenly distribute anything - you get a concentration at het middle of the "X" wher the lines meet, and weakening concentrations along the arms the further away from the centre you get.


NAH I was there, and have seen many spray evenings here. The lighting, and situations has been correct for this particular phenomenon to occour SO MANY TIMES in my neighbourhood, but alas the chemtrails are still white.

This is rare, and no lighting or shadow effect played in.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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No further education on shadows being cast by contrails is needed in this thread. We have plenty of links to gander at now.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Of course it is rare - otherwise you would ahve seen it before!!


Your bald statement that no lighting played any part is unsupported by any evidence provided by you. Here's 2 examples of contrails that are dark in part, then bright where they are lit - and the dark bit looks just like your one.



You should come up with some evidence to support your conclusion if you want it to be credible rathe than just supposition.

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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Of course it is rare - otherwise you would ahve seen it before!!



That's an interesting thing about the chemtrail theory. Supposedly it's going on every day, all the time, bombarding us with stuff.

Yet as evidence, people point to things that you only see a couple of times a year if you are lucky, like back beams, and racetrack contrails.

So which is it? All the time, or hardly ever?



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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NAH I was there, and have seen many spray evenings here. The lighting, and situations has been correct for this particular phenomenon to occour SO MANY TIMES in my neighbourhood, but alas the chemtrails are still white.


So you can get a sample of what they are spraying if it is so prevelant in your neighborhood that stuff should be all over everything? Also where are these planes coming from?




The aircraft that dump the chemtrails.... are military. So, yes it isn't any wonder as to why this is happening.


So you have verifiable proof these are military planes? So the Canadian Airforce has a chemtrail wing? Since this is always happening get a closeup pic of the military chemtrail spray planes since we would all love to see what one looks like. Just wondering whether you watch TankerEnemy videos by any chance? Here is a thread that should really be read if you want to understand chemtrails.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by aBlueRAY
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The aircraft that dump the chemtrails.... are military. So, yes it isn't any wonder as to why this is happening.

Military operation. Sky oddities.



Really? Half you die-harder chemtrailers can't even identify what type of aircraft that you are filming. Simply more delusional non-sense from a chemtrailer. Here is one for you. This is an Italian chemtrailer claiming that he is filming the aircraft at 6,000 feet. He also claims that it is a C-17 Globemaster. Shock horror it must be true, but is it? Can you identify the type of aircraft? A clue for you Tankerenemy's aircraft recognition skills suck.



TJ


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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by aBlueRAY
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The X pattern is optimal for the particulate to spread in specific wind conditions.
On days where wind conditions are different, you may see other patterns.


Well get out there and get some samples. Other people are doing it. With these guys on the case it will only be a short time before the sprayers are brought to justice?






TJ
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posted on Sep, 28 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by aBlueRAY
The aircraft that dump the chemtrails.... are military. So, yes it isn't any wonder as to why this is happening.

Military operation. Sky oddities.



Perhaps you could convince this lady?? Because she's a long time chemtrail believer who is going to some lengths to identify the civilian airliners doing it over her place in New Zealand.

Fortunately much of the job has been done for you by another kiwi blogger but I doubt she reads his blog so perhaps you could highlight it for her?

She doesn't accept/reploy to any comments or emails from me of course!!



posted on Sep, 29 2011 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by aBlueRAY
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The aircraft that dump the chemtrails.... are military. So, yes it isn't any wonder as to why this is happening.

Military operation. Sky oddities.



How can this be? Military aircraft? You can't tell that to the guys out shooting the 'evidence'?


Look at all those civilian aircraft caught 'spraying'



www.youtube.com...

The reality is that Rod Hilderman in Canada films under an upper air route near Lloydminster, Canada. Take a good look at the video he made of the 'fake' plane. Also see the comments that he gets for uncovering the 'spraying shapeshifters'.

The reality is that he is filming an Air Canada Airbus A320 in an anniversary colour scheme. Atmospheric distortion, the extreme distance, lens quality, etc all make the aircraft appear distorted.

The reality. He could actually go along to his regional airport and film it there.

www.airliners.net...

Yet another example of the madness of the chemtrailers.

TJ
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