An Ancient Connection? Aboriginal Rock Art and Holes in Peru

Although I am thankful for more information about the Uluru and the aborigines, I am failing to grasp the connection with Peru?

Did I miss something? Now if you had superimposed the holes over the image and it was a match I would be stumped and award you a flag and star. But you all you succeeded in doing was increasing my knowledge of facts that are mysterious (which is not an insult). And I have forgotten about the band of holes.

WAIT I GOT IT!

The Mystery of the Band of holes…the band… Hole…Courtney Love, she loved Curt Cobain who was in the band Nirvana and died in mysterious circumstances…Nivanna which also means the perfect state of mind and mind like in Nevermind was the name of one of the bands albums!

NO Wait I lost it… I seem to have tumbled down yet another mystery hole I love trying to learn about mysteries and perfect my mind so nevermind…

Great work.I have been interested in the Band of Holes for a few years,I wish i could go there some day and see it for myself.It seems many people don't know about,but it absolutely fascinates me.

Just throwing this out there... but..
Does anyone know about the musical jewellery boxes??
yes??(stay with me here)
The device that plays the music?? yes?
What if the band of holes were inverted to form bumps and placed on something that could make music out of them just like the musical jewellery box does with the cylinder with bumps on it.
What would it sound like??

Another theory I have that that the holes could represent some kind of alphanumeric code??
Just throwing this out there for the masses.

Well written and presented post but i cant say i see the connection. Also i have a sneaky suspicion this is not your first ATS account. Cant quite put my finger on it but your writing style seems familiar somehow. Anywho welcome or welcome back either way.

lol this made the front page?

must be a slow news day

A study of Medieval Paintings reveals a cry for help. Many of the artists of the period left messages in their work. There are quite a few paintings- all of Christian religious matter (this was not an option of the artist as the Catholic Church had total control, and nearly every work of art during that period had to be of Christian religious themes, lest the artist be charged with "heresy" which meant torture and death) that reveal flying saucers hovering over the nazarene and other signs that this foul religion was a hoax and the people knew it, but were severely oppressed. Grey clouds obscuring the Sun in the painting "Calling of the first Apostles" by Domenico Ghirlandaio, 1481, reveals a dismal atmosphere that indicates a sad occasion and says plenty. Carlo Crivelli's painting of the Annunciation in 1486 blatantly reveals a UFO hovering over the virgin and beaming a stream of light into her head. Many artists alluded to flying saucers, by painting lenticular clouds in the skies of their works.

Leonardo's famous "Last Supper" painting displays the apostles of the nazarene in four groups of three, indicating the signs of the zodiac and the implication is- he knew Christianity was a hoax.

There have been several reports of the Smithsonian Institute dumping barges full of ancient artifacts into the Atlantic Ocean. Many of these were Egyptian in origin and found in the United States. Anything that disputes the Christian religion comes under intense scrutiny. Since the Jews, Christians and Muslims claim the world to be only approximately 6,000 years old, there has always been a conflict with the truth in promoting this lie.

Excerpts from links below concerning Archeological Cover ups:

"Smithsonian at one time had actually taken a barge full of unusual artifacts out into the Atlantic and dumped them in the ocean."

"Historian and linguist Carl Hart, editor of WORLD EXPLORER, then obtained a hiker's map of the Grand Canyon from a bookstore in Chicago. Poring over the map, we were amazed to see that much of the area on the north side of the canyon has Egyptian names. The area around Ninety-four Mile Creek and Trinity Creek had areas (rock formations, apparently) with names like Tower of Set, Tower of Ra, Horus Temple, Osiris Temple, and Isis Temple. In the Haunted Canyon area were such names as the Cheops Pyramid, the Buddha Cloister, Buddha Temple, Manu Temple and Shiva Temple. Was there any relationship between these places and the alleged Egyptian discoveries in the Grand Canyon?"

"The Smithsonian"
"The 1909 article clearly states that the Smithsonian is involved with studying and excavating the site. However, the Smithsonian denies that any such discovery ever occurred. This brings up the larger question that if this was a true story, why would the Smithsonian have covered up what certainly would be one of the most significant archeological finds of the twentieth century? Believe it or not, there is precedence for the Smithsonian losing information about discoveries that are deemed to not fit in with currently accepted dogma about the history of America and its interaction or lack thereof with other ancient civilizations."

Anyone with even half a brain knows there were no "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq. In spite of hundreds of worldwide protests against the invasion and the U.N.'s giving Iraq a clean report, George W. Bush pushed relentlessly for the attack on Iraq. Of course, it is just fine for Israel and the USA to have all the weapons of mass destruction they please with no outside interference whatsoever. We all know Mr. Bush is a "born again" Christian.

The real reason behind all of this seems to point towards the destruction of important ancient relics and documents that *prove* Judaism, and Christianity are lies. Saddam Hussein believed himself to be the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar. With this belief, he spent some $500 million dollars during the 1980's attempting to reconstruct Ancient Babylon, the capitol of Nebuchadnezzar. Over sixty million bricks were created to replace the walls of Babylon with the engraving "To King Nebuchadnezzar in the reign of Saddam Hussein." ¹

There were many ancient temples and relics buried beneath the sands of Iraq that were proof of the origins of humanity. Whether they are still there given the invasion is unknown. American and British GI's were given the go ahead from the top brass to destroy and/or loot whatever they pleased from the Iraqi museums.

There are some 10,000 archeological sites scattered across Iraq and most of them have not even been touched. According to archeologists, thieves have broken into the Iraqi Museums repeatedly and have stolen Sumerian artifacts (This occurred before the war as well). Expensive gold jewelry and ornaments were left behind. What they went after were the ancient records in the form of cylinders and cuneiform tablets.

U.N. relief workers and foreign diplomats were several times accused by the Iraqi government of smuggling these artifacts out of the country. In summer of 2002, an Iraqi landlord was cleaning a vacant Baghdad apartment that was formerly occupied by a foreign diplomat. The landlord found two cartons of archeological fragments. The Iraqi government never named the diplomat or his country.

"Saddam assuredly knows that the release of documentation proving Judaism and Christianity as derivatives or copies of an ancient Sumerian religion could have a devastating effect on global affairs."²

"When George W. Bush stood before the Washington Monument in January 2001, during his inauguration he borrowed a surprising image from the past. Referring to America twice he said: And an angel still rides the whirlwinds and directs this storm."

Throughout the ages after the manifestation of Judaism and Christianity, every attempt has been made from mass murder to the destruction and razing of entire cities and the genocide of entire peoples to keep the lid on this lie.

Sources:

Parts of the above information were taken from the book:

¹ "Cloak of the Illuminati" by William Henry, 2003. The author has a lot of useful information if one can read between the lines, but is seriously deluded as to christianity and its true origins.

² Ibid.

www.boston.com... (Systematic destruction of the baghdad museum)

www.h-net.org... (More proof of destruction)

www.keelynet.com... (archeological cover-ups)

www.crystalinks.com... (suppressing proof of the past in the grand canyon)

the page in which I have obtained this information: www.666blacksun.com...

Right and wrong.

I applaud your effort with the post and I must say that it is more reseaerched than alot of others are before being posted but I need to point something out.

What is talked about in the dreamtime stories isn't always what was practised by the aboriginal. They didn't actually respect the earth as is said and weren't as one with it as is made out. They killed off all the Megga fauna that was in Australia through hunting and the Thylacine ( like a marsupial wolf) was alive and well on mainland Australia until a few thousand years ago when the last of the aborginies to arrive introduced the Dingo which went on to compete with it until it died out and only survived in Tasmania until white man arrived there as there were no Dingoes in Tasmania. Also they practised what is call firestick farming where the burned off huge areas of push killing off the plants, trees and small fauna in great amount of areas which allowed grass to grow and would attract kangaroos for them to hunt but destroyed the food for the magga fauna and other native animals that lived off those areas they destroyed.

My point is be careful in what you connect if the myth is far from the fact.

It's Friday, which means it's partytime(woot!), and my house is about to be inundated with beer-guzzling hoodlums(i.e., my friends), so I don't have time at the moment to reply to everyone who has responded. If my computer survives the night(and if I survive too), I will respond tomorrow or Sunday.

In the meantime, let me say a few things:

Thank you to everyone who has flagged and/or given stars to the topic! I can't believe its on the front page either.

To those questioning the "possible connection" between the rock art and the band of holes: At the beginning of the OP, I did say it was an absurd idea! Haha....that's why I posted it on ATS, because it kept coming back to bug me. This is not something I believe in, it is merely something that occurred to me. I wanted your opinions, and you are giving them, and I thank you for that. I tried to make the OP interesting and educational by including all the background material surround the admittedly absurd idea.

Thanks again to everyone showing interest.

I will try to contribute what I "know."

Originally posted by Tsurugi

...The Dreamings made our Law. This Law is the way we live, our rules. This Law is our ceremonies, our songs, our stories; all of these things came from the Dreaming. ... our Law cannot change, we did not make it. ... The Dreamings named all of the country and the sea they traveled; they named everything that they saw. The Dreamings gave us our songs. These songs are sacred ... are like maps, they tell us about the country, they are maps we carry in our heads. ...

The dreamings being conscious awareness. The laws were created by our observation of them. More than that, they are also the flow of data and information over time. All particles and all possible scenarios in all possible orders acted out. The dreaming is the ends, the means, and the justification so to speak. Dreaming is also the act of inspiration. thought, learning, creation. It is the untraceable source that begets all.

In our ceremonies we wear marks on our bodies; they come from the Dreaming too. We carry the design that the Dreamings gave to us. When we wear that Dreaming mark we are carrying the country, we are keeping the Dreaming held up, we are keeping the country and the Dreaming alive. That is the most important thing; we have to keep up the country, the Dreamings, our Law, our people.

Essentially they say that their markings are inspired in the moment they are created. They are representative of their soul.

That is not the only way in which the Dreaming has multiple forms. In one way it seems to describe creation, while in another it causes creation.

Again, the last statement reinforces that dreamtime is the act of creation of self -awareness and the subsequent thoughts and actions of said awareness.

The Dreamtime itself has been explained in a number of ways. Various explanations refer to creators who were mysterious and supernatural beings. They include references to men and women 'just like us' who had the ability to shape-change into animals and other fauna; creators such as the Rainbow Serpent and also All-father and All-mother figures. There have also been references to the creators as heroes and heroines.

These beings are also sometimes referred to as Giants or [a]Ancestors. The Aborigines have many stories about the activities and antics of these beings, some of which are ties to Uluru and its many curious features.

This one is kind of a feeling but it seems like life existed in a time where laws of logic and physics were a lot looser. perhaps due to less consciousnesses interacting and subtly creating an agreed upon reality. It's important to remember in this instance that this all comes from nothing and therefore we can not jade ourselves in assuming that anything at all is "normal."

Another interesting aspect of the Dreamtime is that, according to the Aborigines, it is ongoing; in some way it is a "Beginning" that never ended. But at some point in the distant past, the supernatural beings responsible for the onset of Dreamtime disappeared from the sight of men.

Again, dreamtime is all of "this." Whole kit and caboodle. As far as the ancients disappearing? I believe the bible would be an easy parallel with the fall of man. When we fell we fell into the physical and then were restricted into its laws. For some reason my brain produces images of a brilliant undulating and swirling light that shrinks down going from translucent to opaque when i try to visualize such an event.

Another aspect of the Dreaming that confuses me is that the history of it seems to imply that the Aborigines predate the creation part; somehow their ancestors were witness to the emptiness of the land.

The real question. Did we as consciousness exist to watch our birth or did we travel back to witness it through the power of our minds? Or more simply: if you begin to draw a circle with a point, does the point matter at all when the circle is complete?

And yet the teachings of the Dreaming also say:

"It was during the Dreamtime that the creators made men and women, decreed the laws which all must obey - their behavior to one another, the customs of food distribution, the rules of marriage, the rituals of initiation and the ceremonies of death which must be performed so that the spirit of the dead would travel peacefully to his or her spirit-place.

I believe this wasn't verbally agreed upon. Our laws were likely created when the first person to fell thought oh # what if something breaks? then snap. and then from then on everyone he tells or shows is now susceptible to the reality of a break because they openly (or unconsciously) believe its something that can happen in their reality.

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Loved your reply!! thnx for the links!!
I just wish some ATS'rs from the Yuma/Phoenix Az area would step up and do a little research on the ruin that G.E.Kincaid found or suposedly found it wouldnt be to hard for some out of the normal area hiking trips but i guess none of them have ball enough to get out there...If I lived there I'd dang sure be out there looking.....Also does anybody know if that area is a no fly zone or not if not some ultralites could cover a very large area
If the Smithsonian of the day was to cover it up all they would have to do is look for a debree field from the explosions more hints as to where the caverns are is the height of the cliffs!!

Oh well enough rambling from me later

S&F for you on a well thought out thread, but I sort of left scratching my head also... like there was no conclusion.
Being an Aussie,this I read - and did some quick searches for George Grey and couldnt find any more. But upon looking at the image ... I just thought that at quick glance was the typical Aboriginal rock painting, until the 'being' is wearing clothes. Clothing was not introduced to the Aborigines until the settlement of British ...

Great find there mate

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hmmm...evil greedy capitalist pigdog? Nice!

Our laws were likely created when the first person to fell thought oh # what if something breaks? then snap. and then from then on everyone he tells or shows is now susceptible to the reality of a break because they openly (or unconsciously) believe its something that can happen in their reality.

This has been tested in reality and failed. When people who had never heard of firearms or been fired at before were fired on the bullets killed them.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Our laws were likely created when the first person to fell thought oh # what if something breaks? then snap. and then from then on everyone he tells or shows is now susceptible to the reality of a break because they openly (or unconsciously) believe its something that can happen in their reality.

This has been tested in reality and failed. When people who had never heard of firearms or been fired at before were fired on the bullets killed them.

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What you say is true. What he said is kind of true but I think only in one direction. Aborginals believed that if their version of a shaman pointed a bone at you and put a death curse on you then you'd die so of course one who had it happen to him died because he believed it. But if that same shaman said he was protected from bullets that same person would still die of course if shot in a vital place. Mind over matter can help you survive alot of things or it can kill you but it can't defeat a bullet.

Dreamtime stories are also their way of explaining how things happened in lack if scientific knowledge kind of like the bible.

S&F read the whole thing. I couldn't see closer in the selected comparison photo, are these just holes/dimples in the drawing.. or are they smaller, illegible symbols?

If so, I don't see the connection. I'm not completely sold on the summed up idea that this is one hundred percent linked either- I figure with such vivid stories and details of a people thousands and thousands of years old, older than anyone else that could document their existence at the time, deducing modern "statistics".. they'd speak of these holes. Or maybe it directly has some link to the "love the country" ceremony and respect?

Whooo knows I'm glad you posted something though was well worth it

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Beautiful response!

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There is the principle of overlapping interference... a stronger will/mind more certain of its belief will be more "solid" and have greater "thought mass"... affecting everyone around them much more strongly.

This is why aggression is so effective, but once recognized, actually easily thwarted by smarts. Mind over Matter when understood fully... but it is difficult to dig back out of that hole and lighten up.

Namaste!

Great first post! Stars and flags to you...

I travel regularly to Peru as a tour director and see a lot of what you';ve shown first hand.

Sometimes, my groups travel with archaelogists, and you wouldn't believe how they all try to discount any type of ancient alien connections. They are all patently against such theories and only beleive their scientific data.

I just stand in the background and smrik.

The local folks always come up and tell me their own story..... the indigenous people of Peru believe in their ancient ancestors. I hear stories of UFO's, ancient aliens, etc..... and this is for the past 14 years....way before ancient aliens came out.

Thanks for the post...

When I look at the overhead view of the 'pot holes' it resembles a microscpic image of a sperm even to the segmentented tail.

Then again the brain tries to reference what the eyes see with know patterns so it is probably that.

Does anyone know what the figure from the cave drawing is meant to represent?

What a phenomenal first thread Sir!

Destined to become one of the all-time epic mega threads of ATS, I can feel it in my bones....

I salute you, your writing style, your sense of adventure, your innate love of the mysteries (which shines through as clear as sunlight) and the child-like joy with which you celebrate humanity.

May the ancients shine down on you and your work. Awe-inspiring work, thank-you.

FITO