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reply to post by Daedal
I can't speak for him, but I know this - unless Christianity learns how to embrace the love of Jesus Christ as all-inclusive, and realize that Jesus himself said that people won't be able to point in any particular direction at his return and say "there he is!", then Christianity itself, as a doctrine, will become a house divided against itself, by dividing itself against the larger humanity within which it is emersed, and relative to which it is SUPPOSED to be loving, and love to be love, after all, must be freely received, and freely given as it was freely recieved. The LOVE of Christ, not the doctrine, must rule, for Christ himself to rule over the all, which he does, as LOVE. Until Christians can get that through their thick sculls, they will be working at ODDS AGAINST the return of Christ as a spiritiual reality (as a new heaven and a new earth aka a new age), and not as in preparation (like a Bride to be), but as a stumbling block, as an obstacle, even as an upturned spear! We MUST learn how to recieve the love of the Lord, and extend it, without having to neccessarily win converts to a DOCTRINE of Christianity, which violates the principal and tenet of Christian love to begin with!
Did he not say "forgive them father for they know not what they do" in relataion to self righteous Jewish elite and the Roman soldiers surrounding his very cross?!
Christian love is NOT CONDITIONAL!
We must get this through our Christian minds, and kick the devil OUT of those minds, who LOVES the doctrine of exclusivity... we must THINK, as Christ thinks, not as men or demons think! For the love of GOD!
As a Christian - Christianity, as an EXCLUSIVE club, is not the type of club I want to belong to!
Jesus was obviously speaking from a point of spiritual realization when he said that to come to the father we must go through him and him alone ie: by his LOVE, and understanding.
Such idiots we are and have been - I blame the Pope and American Christian Conservative Fundamentalist Literalism for this outrage against the all-inclusive love, of Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by NewAgeMan
I think the only way to truly love another human being is with Christs love through us.
Originally posted by isthisreallife
What exactly are we discussing?
The complete lies that Jesus told his disciples?
Or the stupidity of those that think a man in the sky will come down and save them if they believe?
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees (insert appropriate Christian type here), you hypocrites! You traver land and sea proselytizing to win a single convert (how did he know? ), and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are!
Matthew 23:15 (parenthesis added)
I know there are moms that love their daughters, and fathers that love their sons, but how many people can say they love their enemies?
 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
 He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"
 "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"
 In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.  A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side.  So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.  But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.  He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him.  The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'
 "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"
 The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him."
Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."
The parable explained www.jesuswalk.com...