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Roll over Einstein: Pillar of physics challenged

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posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Sounds more like it

"Let there be energy'
followed by; 'let there be mass'




posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Hey, i'm always open to new ideas, as long as they can be logically explained.
Peace



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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OK so all the time travel allowed by faster than light travel mumbo jumbo is just silly.

Time is a measurement of periodicity. A measurement, We cannot travel back or forward in a measurement.

The passing of time periods are linear, it's not possible to go to a previous period of time. Period.

So some things can travel faster than a light energy wave. So what ? This is not new.

I don't know a whole lot yet, but at least I am learning real science. That makes some sense.

Time travel is impossible by definition because distance is travelled, time is passed.

For goodness sake guys ask yourself some questions and demand answers from you're self that make sense.

Cheers



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 05:05 PM
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We may not be able to predict someone's future perfectly, but this doesn't preclude being able to predict a future with a certain remaining uncertainty. We can predict a lot of things with a rough probability. For example, a 70% chance that Rob will kill his wife tomorrow after finding out that she is having an affair. I do not believe we will ever be able to predict things with certainty. The heisenberg principle prevents that. It's the same reason our climate models can't be perfect.

You're overlooking a lot of macro-scale things going on. Psychology and genetics and experience and various things have a large impact on peoples choices. From this we can get a profile of a person and make predictions about how they might react in a given situation. We make simulations in emergency management to predict what people will do in a earthquake or a fire or some other event. This can save money. We do know a lot about how people think and act.

Free will is a misnomer. It suggests a non-material source of our intelligence. A source that's not subject to evolution or environment or things that can be (roughly) observed. This I have always been against because it seems to be popular in religious circles. It's not scientific.
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posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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If things don't make sense they are probably wrong.

Logic tells me that everything is transformed energy.

And that everything is set to order by chaos randomly harmonising.

I study Walter Russell, Tesla, Crookes, and so many others but not in an organised way just for personal Knowledge.

We will never be able to travel to previous or future periods of passing time, that does not even make the slightest bit of sense to me. Time is irrelevent unless you have an appointment.

Cheers



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by playswithmachines
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Thanks for posting that, still reading

Niels Bohr, in particular is worth noting, because his 'precessional' model of the atom, i.e. one powered by angular momentum, is as far as i know, universally accepted.
Rotation, gentlemen, is the key word here, it links things previously unlinkable


I can't agree with everything in that link, and find some of it to be beyond my ability to really understand, but it is at least in the direction we are going in our understanding. I have all this other theoretical physics theory swimming around in my head I barely can grasp too.

I believe we have most of the pieces of a workable answer, but what we are missing cannot be added to any equation as formal physics would allow. We've known since Bohr, Einstein, Heisenberg and the gang from the early years, plus some newer stars like Bohm , that consciousness is integral to all phenomena observed.

So maybe all equations are just missing a unifying or bridging element we cannot confirm within the limits of our ability to observe and confirm, repeat and objectify. Forest for the trees. Eye observing itself, and other such things.

We know in our gut FLS is possible, especially with such news this thread discusses. So we wait for some of the more creative of us to crack it. Sooner the better.

ZG



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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I can dig that



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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Joe Rogan and his comedy crew are in Denver. Conspiracy? Maybe...



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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The Uncertainty Principle guarrantees a random will, not a free will.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Angelic Resurrection
You would do well and break out some ID and evidence of your alleged Phds or whatever


I see no good reason to give up my personally identifiable information (pii in security parlance) to some dufus on the Internet just to boost my ego. It doesn't work for me for reasons that Jesus outlined in Matthew 7:6.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroGhost
I have all this other theoretical physics theory swimming around in my head I barely can grasp too.


Theoretical physics is 99% math. Are you good at complex mathematics?



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem

I see no good reason to give up my personally identifiable information (pii in security parlance) to some dufus on the Internet just to boost my ego. It doesn't work for me for reasons that Jesus outlined in Matthew 7:6.


Not to mention what Paul said in 2 Corinthians 11:30.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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It's only remarkable to the scientist. The rest of the world already figured out there was more to life than meets they eye.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Time is the revolution of earth around the sun. Better known as night and day. Time is not real. It is an imaginary tool invented by humans to better understand the universe.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by atomicn
Time is the revolution of earth around the sun. Better known as night and day. Time is not real. It is an imaginary tool invented by humans to better understand the universe.
The revolution of the Earth around the sun causes years, not night and day.

The revolution of the Earth around its own axis is what causes night and day.

If you can't get that much right, I guess we can disregard your "time is not real" babbling? It's measurable, and in that sense it's real.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by atomicn
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Time is the revolution of earth around the sun. Better known as night and day. Time is not real. It is an imaginary tool invented by humans to better understand the universe.


If the Earth and Sun did not exist, processes in the universe would still occur -- i.e. stuff would still happen.

When stuff happens, such as when subatomic particles move from "here to there", it takes time to do so. If there was no passage of time, subatomic particles and atoms wouldn't move, and the universe would basically be like a still photograph -- never changing.


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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by atomicn
Time is the revolution of earth around the sun. Better known as night and day. Time is not real. It is an imaginary tool invented by humans to better understand the universe.
The revolution of the Earth around the sun causes years, not night and day.

The revolution of the Earth around its own axis is what causes night and day.

If you can't get that much right, I guess we can disregard your "time is not real" babbling? It's measurable, and in that sense it's real.

You are correct on the fact, however why would you dismiss the idea posed because some facts are wrong. I know several people who spoke non-sense ideas 10 times a day but once in a while poured out a brilliant idea between the non-sense.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 12:33 AM
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Time is a measurement of periodicity.

A measurement, We cannot travel back or forward in a measurement.

The passing of time periods are linear, it's not possible to go to a previous period of time. Period.


There is no such thing as "passing of time periods"....in fact there is no such thing as "time" or "space".
Time is what we PERCEIVE because our brain works in such a way - our brain only CAN perceive events in a linear, fashion (it cannot process ALL information at the same time, naturally) - thus creating an illusion what we call "time".

Saying that "time is linear" is a very outdated concept...it's as naive as "imagining" a "time" which flows by or events moving in time etc..simply based on OUR HUMAN perception...and has LONG been replaced by far better scientific theories about the true nature of the universe.




The revolution of the Earth around the sun causes years, not night and day.


Oh cheezus, the revolution of the Earth or WHATEVER OTHER EVENT doesn't "cause" anything....we "made up" the system and the concept and say "one year passed" once the Earth revolved around the sun.

Time is not being created or "caused". What a horrible choice of words..or do you really think that a year is "caused" by the Earth revolving around the Sun?
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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem

I see no good reason to give up my personally identifiable information (pii in security parlance) to some dufus on the Internet just to boost my ego. It doesn't work for me for reasons that Jesus outlined in Matthew 7:6.


Wiki educated type of posting and self flattery certainly boosts ego for some dufuses apparently
and still no exidence fortgcoming. Oh well , nevermind, forget it and concentrate on the neutrino expt.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:20 AM
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This is amazing in a way. Amazing that it's never been discovered until now. I'm not that amazed that known science isn't 100% correct. I have a ton of respect for scientific theory. But the tools they had in the past didn't compare to what we have now. I think we're going to see a huge advance




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