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The Peace-Movement was a Soviet Psy-Operation

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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Ok I see, fair enough and maybe you are right maybe much is not known in that area. I'm glad we both agree that it didn't play a major role, but the title of the thread can be a bit misleading. Thanks for clearing that up anyway.




posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Sorry, didn't mean to get too far off topic, it just happened that this thread came up, as I have been pursuing a theory. Something I hope to be able to cover in more detail in another thread some day.


Im curious...if you would like to phrase your theory in one sentence, go ahead...



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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Sorry I skipped right over that guy I guess, there is some interesting stuff on him out there. Do you have any others? In the mean time I will keep looking at what he has to say.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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A basic study into the activities of the government during the 60s-70s makes it clear that any anti establishment movement since that time has, can, or will be infiltrated by agents of the elite. The elite are worldwide. Your Arab Springs and Anonymous are no different from the other groups that were subverted and dismantled.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by ParanoidAmerican


Sorry I skipped right over that guy I guess, there is some interesting stuff on him out there. Do you have any others? In the mean time I will keep looking at what he has to say.



What guy are you referring to? Please specify, I must have missed something...



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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I was asking about other confirmation other than x-KGB



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by ParanoidAmerican


I was asking about other confirmation other than x-KGB



I think if you start out by following the trails provided in this thread you should be able to dig up more (and possibly share with us ). This thread brought up some stuff I wasnt aware of...such as Greenpeace and KGB.

One thing I did not find on Google but remember from an old Washington Post article in the 90s is how Soviet Russia bribed Danish and Norwegian artists and journalists on anti-nuke and anti-missile stuff.

Another thing that will one day open a can of worms is the Soviet Unions influence on American Campuses. But I wont go into that here.



posted on Sep, 24 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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I always thought there was a movement during the late sixties early seventies to convert the US to communism/socialism.

It wasn't only the peace movement it was a number of things. The movement away from religion, strong unions, and experiments in hippie/communal living.

But something happened to turn the tide in the early seventies. Instead, in the late 80's communism suddenly ended.

I always wondered what happened to change things. Was there an agreement to see what type of society would work the best? Maybe they thought they would try it for one generation?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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A few things that brought it down were the immigrants who actually were allowed to leave and tell their stories to the citizens on the 'Free World.
Solzhenitsyn being able to reach the masses with his novels and truth of the gulags!
The complete corruption within the Soviet hierarchy and the rise of the HUGE criminal element that came to be, and still is, because of it.
The inability to control their own military and it's corruption and financial meltdown!

Kinda' sounds like whats happening here doesn't it?

Zindo
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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by Daughter2

But something happened to turn the tide in the early seventies. Instead, in the late 80's communism suddenly ended.

I always wondered what happened to change things. Was there an agreement to see what type of society would work the best? Maybe they thought they would try it for one generation?


It was an experiment that failed. Hippies returned to the real world becoming some of the highest thought of business owners and academics of our time. Others got lost in in the wilderness or in drugs.

I dont think it was all bad though. Some ecology mindedness and social consciousness is beneficial. Medicine can be a poison or a cure, depending on the dose.



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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History is continually being revised. If a war has been won and is no longer being fought I would not say it has "failed" just because it does not continue on. The war machine complex may view it in that regard though. That era produced many profound changes and lasting legacies in social consciousness and beyond. I have come to realize you were not speaking of the entire "Peace Movement" of that era but I find it difficult to conceptualize it as one part part taken out of the whole.

Did those youths "fail" if the went on to become, as you describe them, "some of the highest thought of business owners and academics of our time"? Hippie-dom as a youth trend did eventually give way to other trends as Punks, Goths, Grunge, Rappers, Hip-Hop, etc. That should be expected.

The scenario has changed these days and society has adopted other political norms. That era ended over thirty years ago and others have succeeded them. What label do we give the blessed value structure that has brought us into the beautiful utopian world we live in today?


edit on 27-9-2011 by Erongaricuaro because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Erongaricuaro

Did those youths "fail" if the went on to become, as you describe them, "some of the highest thought of business owners and academics of our time"? Hippie-dom as a youth trend did eventually give way to other trends as Punks, Goths, Grunge, Rappers, Hip-Hop, etc. That should be expected.


If the goal was to influence pacifism, socialism, communist-like policies and spread distrust of government/establishment, agencies and military, corporations and capitalism in general ... It was a HUGE success.

"some of the highest thought of business owners and academics of our time"?

Can you be sure THAT wasn't the desired ultimate result?

You should see what is going on now... But you can't.


Sorry for butting in here, where it isn't wanted but I couldn't help myself.




posted on Sep, 27 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

If the goal was to influence pacifism, socialism, communist-like policies and spread distrust of government/establishment, agencies and military, corporations and capitalism in general ... It was a HUGE success.

"some of the highest thought of business owners and academics of our time"?

Can you be sure THAT wasn't the desired ultimate result?

You should see what is going on now... But you can't.


Sorry for butting in here, where it isn't wanted but I couldn't help myself.



Socialistic programs and policies like Social Security and the labor movement were in-place long before the Peace Movement. Could just be the direction we were heading already. I had no trouble at all seeing racial barriers come down. Those much younger than myself may not understand what that was like going into and coming out of the 60's but what we whisperingly refer to now as the "N-word" was a part of daily vocabulary. I see that as a positive stride forward that I would not like to turn back on. Distrust of government really began to take hold after the the assassination of JFK. That was our 9/11 and I am blessed with both. Should we move along quietly and casually dismiss whatever doubts? Some would suggest we do so. Move along, nothing to see here.

Sure, college students with high ambitions for success is not a leap. "Hippies" were just another youth fad though perhaps more idealistic than many of those that came after. If we consider them as something more than that it is perhaps because they left a more indelible impression than the fads that followed. Later generations must include them more prominently when revising history in order to play-down their role while later crazes barely get honorable mention. Perhaps we should blame the detractors for dwelling too long where nothing out of the ordinary occurred.

My eyesight has not completely failed yet. I do see things from an earlier perspective which will always color my perceptions of later experiences. It was my intent to merely add to the discussion of this thread with the perspective of having lived in those times. I have fond but sometimes harsh memories of them, but it apparent contemporary views have some tunnel vision of those events. Perhaps it is just my memory and the passage of time that is putting emphasis where nothing occurred really. I do have vivid recollection of a visit, a family reunion in the South with my family. My cousin who saw a drinking fountain labelled "Colored Water" turned on the tap expecting to see some spectrum of the rainbow pour forth. He nearly saw stars when my grandmother cuffed him while telling him to get away from there. Us California-born generation had no idea what it was about then.

I am in no way offended by comments you have for me. I gain a broader perspective to see a more contemporary view put forth. The OP may object but I view any thread put forth in these forums an invitation for membership comment. I feel my obligation to making such comments is to be pertinent and on-topic but can't help feeling that somehow my view was too broad and outside a narrower focus that was expected but not fully delineated. My bad.

Please excuse my ancient perspective. I believe I am seeing what goes on in these days now. Perhaps my vision is distorted by cataracts that have slowly developed over a long time. What is so obvious am I missing that I fail to see?



posted on Oct, 1 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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Coudn't agree with you more.The Occupy Wallstreet Event may not be directly tied to a Communist entity,but this does go to show,how in times past our Nation has been used for subversive means.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Stunning thread, many thanks.

My tentative conclusion after reading the Laurel Canyon stuff was that the free love, strong drugs, and strange cults which took over around '67 were injected into the Civil Rights/Peace movement by the CIA. Civil rights advances and armistice being inimical to the interests of The Man, drugged-out fiends were unleashed upon the kids by the spooks to derail a phenomena which had acquired an alarming amount of traction.

Now, after giving this thread a thorough perusal, I am given to consider that it may have been a counter psy-op.

How you say, "Groovink", da?
edit on 2-10-2011 by mistermonculous because: far out, man.



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
One of the biggest untold psy-operations in History was one of the Soviet Unions against the USA during the "Cold-War" era. In one of the most devious war tactics ever conceived, Russia created, founded and funded various "Peace" and "Anti-War" movements on American and foreign soil throughout the 50s, especially the 60s and 70s and well into the 80s.


Nothing new there, everyone knows that the "Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament" real name is "Campaign for NATO Disarmament"



posted on Oct, 2 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Great post, just the sort of thing we need on ATS.

Star and Flag, and very thought provoking.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Erongaricuaro

I am in no way offended by comments you have for me. I gain a broader perspective to see a more contemporary view put forth. The OP may object but I view any thread put forth in these forums an invitation for membership comment. I feel my obligation to making such comments is to be pertinent and on-topic but can't help feeling that somehow my view was too broad and outside a narrower focus that was expected but not fully delineated. My bad.


The purpose of threads as opposed to articles is to view a topic from many different angles. Thus, a threads purpose if fulfilled when all parts of the spectrum have added their piece to the meal.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by Daedal

Coudn't agree with you more.The Occupy Wallstreet Event may not be directly tied to a Communist entity,but this does go to show,how in times past our Nation has been used for subversive means.



Interestingly I started this thread one week before "Occupy Wall Street" began. The "Occupy Wall Street" movement seems to be of similar quality as to what is pointed out in the OP, because it lacks a specific goal other than bashing some vague "Corporate Elite".



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous
Stunning thread, many thanks.

My tentative conclusion after reading the Laurel Canyon stuff was that the free love, strong drugs, and strange cults which took over around '67 were injected into the Civil Rights/Peace movement by the CIA. Civil rights advances and armistice being inimical to the interests of The Man, drugged-out fiends were unleashed upon the kids by the spooks to derail a phenomena which had acquired an alarming amount of traction.

Now, after giving this thread a thorough perusal, I am given to consider that it may have been a counter psy-op.

How you say, "Groovink", da?
edit on 2-10-2011 by mistermonculous because: far out, man.


Fascinating. Soviet Psy-Op and counter CIA Psy-Op. Very likely. Now if only all these agencies could just leave civilization alone a little...



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