Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Further, suggesting that capital punishment is a service as necessary as medicine, building homes or other buildings, or teaching is remarkably short
sighted. A populace with out any medical practices becomes a sick populace soon enough. A populace without any contractors to build edifices remains
a homeless populace, and that populace without any teachers remains either ignorant, or free of indoctrination depending upon who is teaching and why.
However, a populace without the death penalty does not in anyway threaten the social fabric in the same way that eliminating medicine, building, or
Do you know how reluctant I was to agree with this? Not specifically the death penalty, but the system as a whole is
supposed to keep those who will not play by the rules away from kids so they can safely be educated. It's supposed to keep doctors from needing to
save as many lives. So the Death Penalty, as a part of the whole is necessary, but if the system can protect and defend without it, or even supersede
a system with a death penalty in these goals, then why not do away with it? My thing is I'm not so sure it will work.
There is another poster in this thread who has been disingenuously asserting that it is inappropriate to call the death penalty murder because
it is not "hidden". As if being open and notorious about the slaying changes it from a crime to a right.
Hidden or sanctioned. I'm not
calling it that, like I defined it. I'm using the definition of the word from it's base meaning.
murder (n.) Look up murder at Dictionary.com
O.E. morðor (pl. morþras) "secret killing of a person, unlawful killing," also "mortal sin, crime, punishment, torment, misery," from P.Gmc.
*murthran (cf. Goth maurþr, O.Fris. morth, O.N. morð, M.Du. moort, Ger. Mord "murder"). from PIE *mrtro-, from base *mer- "to die" (cf. L. mors,
gen. mortis "death;" mori "to die;" see mortal). The spelling with -d- probably reflects influence of Anglo-Fr. murdre, from O.Fr. mordre, from
M.L. murdrum, from the W.Gmc. root. Viking custom, typical of Germanic, distinguished morð (O.N.) "secret slaughter," from vig (O.N.) "slaying."
The former involved concealment, or slaying a man by night or when asleep, and was a heinous crime. The latter was not a disgrace, if the killer
acknowledged his deed, but he was subject to vengeance or demand for compensation. Mordre wol out that se we day by day. [Chaucer, "Nun's
Priest's Tale," c.1386] Weakened sense of "very unpleasant situation" is from 1878. The verb is O.E. myrðrian, from P.Gmc. *murthjan.
Related: Murdered; murdering.
The hidden part is useless to me because you hide unsanctioned killing, so as to not be caught doing something that
is considered unlawful, so it's more about not having a law back the kill up. My only fault in this is that I probably should have used "and"
instead of "or". I see a comma, I see "or"--which would mean, possibly, that hidden is definition enough all on it's own, but I don't
personally think that hidden can be used separate of unsanctioned, although unsanctioned doesn't have to be hidden as well, to be called murder. BU
this has to do with the intent of hiding.
By the way, how is it lacking in candor or falsely giving the appearance of simple frankness when I'm only stating that murder means what it means?
I was in no way indirect, insincere, or even remotely reserved in speech. If I was, I wouldn't so consistently point out that there is a difference
between those two words, and back it up
. Just because you disagree for various reasons ? And:
If this were so, the John Wilkes
Booth would not have been pursued as a criminal who had assassinated Abraham Lincoln. Sirhan Sirhan would not be sitting in prison today for the open
and notorious assassination of Robert Kennedy, and Jared Lee Loughner would not be in the mess he is today, if all it takes to excuse the murder is
making it open and notorious.
This means nothing because while these were in the open, they still were not sanctioned.
No games of semantics, no matter how well argued the fallacy, no argument advocating unlawful behavior will stand muster when heard by the ears
of the rational and critical thinker.
, which was the entirety of my stance on the English difference
between murder and killing. This
was the Biblical one, that was meant
to point out that Murder and Killing mean two different things, directly as a response to
Originally posted by patternchekhow can you legally justify doing the exact same thing that that is being done...