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Originally posted by circuitsports
no they should ramp it up
if you murder someone there is no way to "repay society"
And if you want to call it "cruel and unusual"
try being a member of the murdered persons family after that
Death penalty is FINE just the way it is! Instead of people boo-hooing over an "innocent" person getting executed, how about this: when INNOCENT people stop getting murdered by sociopathic scum, then maybe there will be be no dirtbags to execute anyway! When men, women and children keep getting slain by these bottomfeeders, I have no problem hearing about someone riding the lightning. And if we get the "wrong guy" every now and then, then so be it (IMO).
Originally posted by LrBc1275
Death penalty is FINE just the way it is! Instead of people boo-hooing over an "innocent" person getting executed, how about this: when INNOCENT people stop getting murdered by sociopathic scum, then maybe there will be be no dirtbags to execute anyway!
When men, women and children keep getting slain by these bottomfeeders, I have no problem hearing about someone riding the lightning. And if we get the "wrong guy" every now and then, then so be it (IMO).
One example, a Connecticut man raped, beat, murdered, and chooped up a 15 year old girl and waived extradition back to CT (Which has the death penalty) because he was caught in Rhode Island (which has no death penalty). So now this scumbag gets to serve the rest of his life in jail rather than getting fried like he should. And contrary to belief of let him rot in his cell forever....he loves the company he keeps. the meals, the recreation and the "soda" during his visits. If RI had the death penalty, I would be the one jamming the needle into this animals arm!!!!
Originally posted by KILL_DOGG
Originally posted by roughycannon
Again not answering my question i'll put it in capitols for you...
WHAT ABOUT THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING EXECUTED?
Oh...sorry...they don't take up any of my tax money either.
I come from a faith that's end-game scenario is already decided. You often submit, even to death. If I can submit, for something so small as what I merely believe in, so can a killer, for what they do.
Originally posted by yourignoranceisbliss
You're sitting in the chair.
They're dabbing a briny sponge over your head.
Any last words?
You scream "I didn't do it! For God's Sake I'M INNOCENT!"
Originally posted by Se7enex
Bottom line is, killing someone who kills another makes the killer just as bad.
I will personally *facepalm* the day that that Euthanasia, specifically Doctors legally being allowed to ignore their oath, becomes legal, and yet we still let the insanity plea still stand. I don't think the *facepalm* will change anything.
Originally posted by yourignoranceisbliss
I personally do not understand why the insane are given immunity from execution. Would not common sense deem them a perfect fit for execution? They (the insane) are beyond help, whereas we are currently executing intelligent, remorseful, SANE people, who could spend their lives trying to make up for their mistake.
Belated thanks for this, and I'm enjoying most the comments myself. Where was my head that I skipped this?
Originally posted by Freeborn Would just like to say that I am enjoying your contributions to what is a refreshingly civil discussion on a very emotive subject.
But in a secular nation, where individuals are allowed to vote their beliefs, religious doctrine will never have minimal influence as long as a large group of people are followers of that faith. So, while we may or may not like it, religion will occasionally have to be addressed. no ammount of browbeating will change that.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by CynicalDrivel
In a secular nation like the USA religious doctrine should have minimal influence at most on law making.
As long as the religious are allowed to vote, this "ideal" will never be met. And it's an old concept to try to keep faith out of the voting booth. Protestants tried to do it with Catholics from nearly the beginning of our nation. They failed then. *shrugs*
Obviously individuals should be free to believe what they want, without imposing their beliefs and values on those of a different viewpoint or belief.
That was my point.
I have no desire to derail this thread and turn it into a discussion on the validity or accuracy of The Bible or any other religious or holy book.
People have tried to direct that force before, and still do to this day. i haven't seen it working.
Originally posted by redoubt
Not because there aren't people so evil that really do deserve that ending... but because our system is as imperfect as those who contrived it and because it takes a high ground that humanity desperately needs to finally evolve beyond where it is at.
I heard about that from my dad only a couple months ago. I think he was talking about smear campaigns.
Originally posted by Onboard2
She would have had only 15 minutes to kill her father and step-mother and clean up the bloody mess on herself, while the maid was in the other room. A doctor did examine her dress for blood spots, but found none.
You either missed my point or dodged the issue by your resposne to me. All my other posts make my stance pretty clear, and occasionally I've reiterated my point for those who insist on saying the same things over and over. Reread, please, then get more specific if you have a grievance towards me posting something.
Originally posted by eyesdown
reply to post by CynicalDrivel
It's part of the English language that I speak as an english person. I say amongst aswell is it making your blood boil. Anyway don't dodge the issue.
Wayne Felker, a convicted rapist, is also claimed by some observers to have been an innocent victim of execution. Felker was a suspect in the disappearance of a Georgia (US) woman in 1981 and was under police surveillance for two weeks prior to the woman's body being found. The autopsy was conducted by an unqualified technician, and the results were changed to show the death occurring before the surveillance had begun. After Felker's conviction, his lawyers presented testimony by forensics experts that the body could not have been dead more than three days when found; a stack of evidence was found hidden by the prosecution that hadn't been presented in court, including DNA evidence that might have exonerated Felker or cast doubt on his guilt. There was also a signed confession by another suspect in the paperwork, but despite all this, Felker was executed in 1996. In 2000, his case was reopened in an attempt to make him the first executed person in the US to have DNA testing used to prove his innocence after his execution. 
I spend as much time as is practical grounding myself in what the scripture actually says. I'm known for deliberately avoiding misinterpretation, and I still come to the conclusion that there is a time to kill. What reluctance I have towards a Death Penalty has to do with the inefficient way our government works, not because the Bible says so. Yet I can honestly agree with your conclusion. A lot of Christians come up with erroneous conclusions from a lack of study or severely taking things out of context.
Originally posted by aero56
That depends on what brand of christianity you subscribe to. Most christians do believe in the death penalty because they misinterpret scripture.
Yet Ananias and Sapphira died for lying--dropped dead, cold, without a chance to plead for their lives. Plus, Cain probably committed manslaughter; the Bible doesn't differentiate between Premeditated Murder and Manslaughter like we do.
I will reflect on what God did with Cain. He didn't execute him, he banded him from society, hence, prison.
As long as prosecutors benefit from convictions, which they do, we have room for errors we don't want in the system. It's kind of a "don't waste taxpayer money on taking innocent people to court!" type thing.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
They need to keep in mind also that prosecutors love convictions even when they mess with the evidence and hide it or put forth false evidence.