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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Um, no, it didn't. You assert that the child had three parents, but all the genetic data correlates to humans. They found an X and Y chromosome, human mitochondrial DNA, a partially complete Chromosome 1 (from a human), and they still haven't mapped the rest of the genome. I and others have shown you pictures of children with hydrocephalus that have heads that look almost exactly the same as the star child.

What is the miscommunication here, and how does this have anything to do with evolution?


Well it appears the miscommunication is mostly on understanding the required arrangment for a zygote. Hydrocephalus does not cause someone to get multiple sets of adult teeth. Yes only part of the genome was reported to be mapped.

The only thing this has to do with evolution is it's possibly showing us that we might not be from here. Just like it tells us in the bible, just like sitchen tells us, just like pye tells us. We did not evolve from this planet and there is no solid evidence to prove such.

You guys really need to get a clue here. If you have to go through any trouble to piece together a puzzle showing where you came from, then you simply aren't from here.
It's that easy. There should be a plethora of proof to the point that it wouldn't even be in question. Proving there is other life out there simply increases the understanding.

And I just looked at a bunch of hydrocephalus skulls and found little to no resembelance. They are all clearly deformed with non symetrical differences which is exactly how Pye was able to rule it out. I found one that looked just like star child and when I placed my mouse over it, it was Pyes link. It's obvious to me that you are not looking at this.
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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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That does nothing to explain the diversity of life on Earth though. Your explanation only applies to humans, unless you think aliens intervened millions of times to make the diversity we see.



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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I do, I think that its pretty complex but planets are made with life existing on them. We should have never have been brought here. Now we are suffering with little hope at this point of getting back. It even says in the bible that earth is not our home, and that nothing on earth is from our home and unlike anything from home.

This was all a way to controll us. If we want to go back, and get our abilitys back, and have all of the defects removed from our genes, we will comply with what god wanted. Which at the time was mining gold.

Jesus was brought in to tease us into servituide. Jesus was a human that was in tact without all of the punishments and abilitys removed. Jesus was not special, he was normal. We are the odd balls.



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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I do, I think that its pretty complex but planets are made with life existing on them. We should have never have been brought here. Now we are suffering with little hope at this point of getting back. It even says in the bible that earth is not our home, and that nothing on earth is from our home and unlike anything from home.

This was all a way to controll us. If we want to go back, and get our abilitys back, and have all of the defects removed from our genes, we will comply with what god wanted. Which at the time was mining gold.

Jesus was brought in to tease us into servituide. Jesus was a human that was in tact without all of the punishments and abilitys removed. Jesus was not special, he was normal. We are the odd balls.


I see. We're making progress on getting your explanation out then. How were these planets made with the diversity of life already on them? What way was it done that is a better explanation than evolution, and is applicable in our daily lives to predict future outcomes within organisms?



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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All of the starchild stuff is irrelevant because Pye has yet to publish his findings. If he DID, THEN you could say he presents evidence of possible intervention. The fact of the matter is he hasn't, so at this point they are nothing more than baseless conclusions. This thread was intended for people to show evidence that indicates the diversity on earth besides evolution, but nobody has presented any hard evidence, it's just talk. It's all just he say, she say. I do personally think aliens visited in the past, and could have manipulated DNA, but it has nothing at all to do with evolution. I find it very difficult to envision that some sort of biological entity spent 4.5 billion years setting up earth, and individually designing each species slowly.



what im saying is dung beetles, ants, cockroaches, termites, etc. were specifically made for cleanup, nothing more..they werent made to make decisions that could either destroy the world or enable it to flourish is more my point. why were we granted that power?

They were "made" for cleanup? By who? Where' s the evidence? Nobody was granted any sort of power. We have this thing called intelligence, and we are the most intelligent species on the planet. That is the reason we seem to have power. Because we can think and make decisions. It wasn't some magic that allowed us to this. It is our brains. Intelligence is the #1 survival tool today for humans.



look at the grizzly population when the settlers moved across the states. it dwindled to practically nothing. that would go for all endangered species. what would happen if we weren't told to protect them? shouldnt they evolve and not let that happen? let me guess "they were much weaker than you cause we are far superior" even though according to you we came from them.. makes no sense

When faced with extinction, a creature must evolve or die out. That's the bottom line. They don't HAVE to evolve, but many do. Humans take over land and become the primary predator in an area, so the existing predators have to move, evolve or die out. Humans didn't come from grizzly bears.



well wtf is taking the siberian tiger so long to pull through by evolving? or the komodo dragon, grizzly, and blue whale? is their time just up? evolution should do something about that cause it sounds like the pressures on..
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Evolution isn't some conscious entity. You are giving it characteristics of an intelligent being. That's how CREATIONISM works. Yes, these creatures are dying out because they can no longer compete with humans. Replace evolution with god in your sentence and it makes more sense. It's funny when creationists use arguments that actually show evidence for evolution.



it just doesn't explain why we were monkeys. sorry..
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We weren't ever monkeys. For someone that's so sure evolution is wrong, you don't know squat about it.



you cant explain why everything is as diverse as it is.

Science can explain it. It's called evolution and it's backed by tons of evidence. Where's the evidence for your theory? Just because you can't understand it, doesn't mean its false.



like explain color

Simple. A creature is born with a slightly different skin color than its parents. That color is more beneficial to blending in with the environment, so it survives and procreates and passes the info on, more than another creature who's skin might be lighter.



and appreciation for it or for anything for that matter.
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The light spectrum can be divided into colors, and we see this with our eyes, which send electric signals to the brain so we experience this color. Appreciation is because of that intelligence thing again.




explain love, but most of all explain why if everything else in your evolution idea, meshes together forming us into what we are. why do we not just do our one purpose like everything else and contribute?

Love is an emotion, which is a result of intelligence. Evolution doesn't answer WHY, it answers HOW. The problem you have, is that you can't understand that having a purpose has nothing to do with evolution. Creatures have genetic mutations that cause them to change. They adapt to their environment. Our environment is all about intelligence and money making. Humans that aren't as smart and don't make a lot of money, have a lower survival rate. This is fact.



why did we excel and everything else paled in comparison?

Define excel. Everything else paled in comparison? Humans have been a species for around 200,000 years. The dinosaurs ruled for hundreds of millions. Humans aren't special, they are INTELLIGENT. No other animal can "do what we do". But we can't do what most other animals can do as well. Different survival traits for different creatures. You should probably do a little reading about evolution before so quickly dismissing it.



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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Great post. Frustrating, isn't it - facts verses ignorance always leads one to bang ones head against a wall!

No second line.

EDIT: as was posted on here a day or so ago...

i.imgur.com...
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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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What concerns me is the need to introduce the word 'believe' into such discussions.

I personally don't believe in evolution. The same way I don't believe in small children, mobile telephones or helicopters. These things aren't open to personal interpretation - they're real. Arguing against them from a belief based stance is not only unintelligent, but also disingenous.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 12:36 AM
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I see. We're making progress on getting your explanation out then. How were these planets made with the diversity of life already on them? What way was it done that is a better explanation than evolution, and is applicable in our daily lives to predict future outcomes within organisms?


Well everything I feel that I posted was related.

I'm not sure how it is that life is simply there. They just recently discovered that by using lasers to recreate high pressure on mercuery, it actually starts to form a mass to be a planet. It appears that all and any life is embedded in this evolution package.

The hardest thing to buy about us evolving from here is the mass amounts of proof of transgression thats missing. You guys are telling me that DNA can change in the wild, yet your going to accept our mtDNA telling us that we are 200,000 years old. If your correct, and DNA can change, how do we not know that our mtDNA changed as well? Basically with the understanding that DNA can change in the wild, it is actually useless to us in pathology.

It just shocks me how some people are so close minded they couldn't possibly believe there is other life out there, much less did they have anything to do with how we got here. Just yesterday a coworker of mine was telling me that his wife of 12 years freaquently complaints about nightmares from an abduction experience she had when she was 20. Of course I asked him how her mental state is, and he says shes fine. These things even happen to people that don't believe in such things. I think its a wakeup call, we need to open our eyes.

I think Sitchen was on to something and knew a lot about how we came into existance. If we were frankenstiened from existing DNA, it could explain how it is that our mtDNA shows us to be 200,000 years old while the bible claims god created us just 10,000 years ago.Of course this also means that our basic make up does have a planet that we could call home. We don't fit here, we wear clothing, have a complex social structure to allow us to adapt. I believe that who ever or what ever created us would have been smart enough to also make a planet thats well suited for us. This planet sucks for us and we don't belong. Our rejection on this planet is so obvious that people do things in the realm of self abuse because they are stuck here not even realizing whats going on. Drugs, drinking, cutting, suicide, murder.

If we were home, there would be things that automatically accomodate our needs. Here we adapt and make things to accomodate us.Its all backwards and its the price to pay for being out of your element.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 01:09 AM
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I'm not able to easily find anything that seems to tie us to this planet. We do breath air, and drink water but we can't even drink the water unless its processed first for safety. Ant eaters and woodchucks fit in better than we do. It's as though we have no business here. Nothing would miss us if we disapeared and we aren't part of any food chain.

A lot of people have been thrown off track simply accepting our difference as some sort of evolution from primates. The fact is we have books that are telling us we are NOT from here. Evolutionists choose to igonore this. We might also have proof in the lack of transgression. It should be not only everywhere but should still be happening. Non of which is the case. DNA can't change or morph into another species, and thats what evolutionists think is going on.In isolated tests some very slight genetic drift was witnessed and the species would die out fast from it everytime.

For us to evolve from primates would be a hell of a lot more than a slight change.It would be many large changes that would have to have been repeated many times, by thousands to avoid incest. It's simply not possible.

I think most might feel that I want to believe ET put me here over evolution. To be honest I wish it were harder to believe in it, because I think very few understand just how screwed we are.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 04:28 AM
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Why do you continue to equate supporters of evolution as closed minded about life outside this planet when it is science that showed the odds for it are overwhelming? There are probably more people with religion that refuse to accept extraterrestial life.


We don't fit here, we wear clothing, have a complex social structure to allow us to adapt. I believe that who ever or what ever created us would have been smart enough to also make a planet thats well suited for us.


I would imagine with a population that exceeds 7 Billion this planet suits us pretty well. As I and others have explained to you plenty of times, but here you seem closed minded. We are tool users and so our niche is pretty much all niches which makes our planet 100% our home. Where do you get we do not belong.



This planet sucks for us and we don't belong. Our rejection on this planet is so obvious that people do things in the realm of self abuse because they are stuck here not even realizing whats going on. Drugs, drinking, cutting, suicide, murder.

What you are describing are social issues. It is also seen with other species both in the wild and captivity.

Things you left off your list. People also care for others, love, sacrifice to protect, Laugh, play, invent, produce art that takes your breath away. Explore, write, teach. The list goes on.



If we were home, there would be things that automatically accomodate our needs. Here we adapt and make things to accomodate us.Its all backwards and its the price to pay for being out of your element.


Thats it, I think you may be getting there. This planet is evolving like everything else. It is dynamic and in constant change and so everything on it needs to change to be able to continue living on it. Its the price we all pay for being alive.

If life did not evolve then life on this planet would not be here now and because everything is linked this planet would not be as it is now.

I feel sorry for you as you apear to hate living your life and have constructed a story that will never let you change that. Evolution and science in general guides us to an understanding that life and the universe is an unending wonder and everything is linked and related.

When I look to the skies and wonder like all my ancestors have I see an infinte challenge. You on the otherhand look in the hope someone saves you.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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I'm not able to easily find anything that seems to tie us to this planet. We do breath air, and drink water but we can't even drink the water unless its processed first for safety. Ant eaters and woodchucks fit in better than we do. It's as though we have no business here. Nothing would miss us if we disapeared and we aren't part of any food chain.

You believe animals do not suffer illness from contaminated water, Really?

An Ant eater has a niche. It is specailised. If ants and termites disapeared and he could not find another food source there would no longer be ant eaters. On the otherhand if our staple food was to disapear we would tool up and exploit another because we are not specialists. We have evolved to be a jack of all trades, master of none.


A lot of people have been thrown off track simply accepting our difference as some sort of evolution from primates. The fact is we have books that are telling us we are NOT from here. Evolutionists choose to igonore this.

This is because the books you have do not have any evidence. Evolution can only accept evidence otherwise it becomes a belief so it is not ignored it has no evidence to back up the claims.


We might also have proof in the lack of transgression. It should be not only everywhere but should still be happening. Non of which is the case. DNA can't change or morph into another species, and thats what evolutionists think is going on.In isolated tests some very slight genetic drift was witnessed and the species would die out fast from it everytime.

Lack of proof is hardly proof. This has been explained to te point of nose bleed so I refer you to posts in this thread and all the others on this subject.


For us to evolve from primates would be a hell of a lot more than a slight change.It would be many large changes that would have to have been repeated many times, by thousands to avoid incest. It's simply not possible.


I agree that for us to have evolved from a common ancestor as other primates it takes a lot more than a slight change. It takes many SMALL changes. Selected by the enviroment and fed back into the herd until it becomes established. Incest does not enter into it. This too has been covered many times over.

It is possible and evolution and the evidence shows how.


I think most might feel that I want to believe ET put me here over evolution. To be honest I wish it were harder to believe in it, because I think very few understand just how screwed we are.

As I said in my previous reply I feel sorry for you if you cannot see passed 'we are screwed'. I do have a suggestion. Dont base reality only on what you believe. Try basing it on things you can see and prove to yourself. Go outside and look and it wont take long to find for yourself the evidence Evolution uses.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 05:50 AM
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so if THESE are the oldest fossil records found. where do the amoeba come into play? if scientists have all the answers on how life formed. why do we not see them throwing all the components into a specially designed and monitored ecosystem to do it again. diamonds take millions of years too but, guess what we can make? that million year billsh%$ sounds like the best fallback excuse Ive ever heard..
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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 06:25 AM
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I don't believe anyone will argue scientists have all the definitive answers, but, your link is misleading at best. Perhaps you would like to click the source provided in the article and read it as I did to see if you can find that claim. I didn't......Here I will link the source for you.

www.tedhuntington.com...



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 06:26 AM
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Another question from you that answers to can easily be found on google.

You did not answer any of mine though. Not even ,if Termites and ants are just clean up crew, nothing else, Explain what the Queens, Drones, Soldier, Worker (also acts as nursemaid, food gather, nest builder).

This is your go at explaining the diversity we see today without the hassle of talking about how wrong evolution is but you just dont seem to grasp that concept either.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:10 AM
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They were "made" for cleanup? By who? Where' s the evidence?


ummm. you got a better idea on what they could have been? my point is eating dead # on the ground is kinda all they can do hence (they were designed to do that).



Apes (whom with we share a common ancestor) and humans are both modern species.


They are?
i guess you can call 20 mill modern if you want.. but just so you know (Modern- adj.- of or pertaining to present and recent time; not ancient or remote)

i guess this is your proof. lol. few pieces missing to be making assumptions dont you think?

not to mention people like Henry Gee, Speaking as an evolutionist, Gee is honest enough to admit that there is a problem in identifying whether Australopithecus ramidus is on the human line (a hominid) or on some other line: '… with creatures as primitive as Australopithecus ramidus it will be almost impossible to tell the difference.'

not to mention man is in control of evolution, and if man is in control hes gonna do whatever it takes to get what he wants. in this case, proving bull# to be right. yet you guys attack creationist by slandering it with saying its about money and controll.. which is downright retarded cause all "these scammers that made the idea of god" are all dead.. not getting rich. i dont give anybody money to believe in this so whos making money off me again? and controll? clearly im not perfect cause i $h!t all over you.

www.mbowden.surf3.net...

(In a letter to The Times (November 25th 1978), Dr. Halstead (who once worked in the Natural History Museum) claimed that "according to Hinton (a former Keeper of Zoology) the Piltdown man hoax was planned and executed within the Museum" and that others including Teilhard were involved. This is confirmed by the secrecy surrounding the fossil, experts only being allowed closely to examine plaster replicas. This indicates that the hoax was known at a very high level.


here's some other great points.
blogs.nature.com...


Let’s assume that evolution could be true. As all animals and plants could be traced back to a common ancestor, the common ancestor must be one that has to be capable in asexual reproduction. The only living things that could be found to be asexual reproduction are archaea, bacteria, protists, algae and fungi. As all these living things are either micro-organisms or the selected plants instead of any other living things, it implies the common ancestor could be either micro-organism or the selected plants.


i read em and didnt like summarizing

and for a real good kick in the balls for evolution read This
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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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are you slow? i provided a link to 3 links and you just repost one of the 3 i showed you.. nice work watson..i got through the first link click but it was the 2nd one that gave me loads of trouble..



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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:31 AM
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If I were slow I don't believe I would have clicked the link that says "Original caption and article: www.tedhuntington.com/ulsf/out/ulsf3hiout.htm" and spent my time reading it. The other two links your referring too are photos and yes I viewed them without having any problems. As well as the fourth link which will take you to more links to another site which has more photos as well as a caption.




(a) Conical and (b) pseudo-columnar ‘stromatoloids’ from the Strelley Pool Chert, Pilbara, Western Australia. (c) Stromatoloid produced by physical discontinuities between polymeric layers of different viscosities in experiments with synthetic polymers (McLoughlin et al. submitted). (d) Carbonaceous ‘wisps’ in the Apex Chert. Note also, carbonaceous matter concentrated around rhombic crystal growths. (e) Rounded grains of carbonaceous ‘fluff’ from the Buck Reef Chert, Barberton, South Africa. (f) Laminar, carbonaceous ‘fluff’ from mat fragments from the Buck Reef Chert, Barberton, South Africa. The presence of bends and rollover structures has been interpreted to represent the plasticity of early microbial mats. (g–i) Automonatages of microfossil-like artefacts from the Apex Chert. (g) Pseudo-septate and branched filamentous artefacts from vein chert generated from the growth of dendrites, polygonal crystal rims and spherulites. (h) Image of putative cyanobacterium Archaeoscillatoriopsis disciformis Holotype and (i) image of putative beggiatoan Eoleptonema apex Holotype (Schopf 1993) both here explained as a SOS structures resulting from the breaking of polygonal symmetry during crystal growth (false coloured images in h and i represent depth profiles within the thin section using Automontage software). (j) Spherulitic SOS from the Gwna Chert. (k) Abiogenic septate dendritic fringe of a spherulite mass, Apex Chert. (l) Abiogenic septate carbonaceous filament shown branching off spherulitic mass from the Apex Chert. Scale bar: 2 cm a,b; 1 mm c; 40 μm d–l.


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So I would suppose my point to all of this is......no, I am not slow. Although I sure it made you feel warm and fuzzy inside to challenge my intelligence.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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Although I sure it made you feel warm and fuzzy inside to challenge my intelligence.


nope. made me feel warm and fuzzy that u successfully navigated the link.:u



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:40 AM
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Then please by all meas post the correct info I seem to be overlooking.



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