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On your side its more like acceptance and education about the supernatural.
The problem is compounded by several things.
Yes, like evidence and honesty
It's in genesis, all you have to do is read it.
First you have to remember that we were NOT the first inhabitants on this planet and it even appears that has changed a few times.
Where is your evidence for this?
No, this is actually in the bible, has nothing to do with any opinion.
Even the bible makes reference to people just all of a sudden being in a city right after Adam and Eve.
All I see here is more of your opinion and no evidence. I have told you that your opinion carries no weight.
Those answers are not available.
So who was here first, what color and nationality were they, who knows?
So you cannot answer the question. All you can do is weave an even bigger, even more silly reply with absolutely no evidence at all.
Unfortunatly your wrong, we have documentation that clearly tells us people were here before or right after the bible addresses adam and eve.
The problem that your faced with is that its also possible that other humanoids were brought here as well and also don't belong, It's a big mess.
Nope. Again you have got that very wrong. This is the problem YOU are faced with and have failed epically to address.
Your bent on knowing what color God is, when your first of all totally unaware of the fact that no one ever got to look at him, and second that the largest missunderstandings from the bible are about semantics. God making us in his image could have several other meanings. It could be someones way of saying we were crafted from the image of a microscope.
That really depend on the context of that saying. From what it looks like, we were an engineered species, which is where I keep saying that we were frankenstiened. This could also explain why our mtDNA is saying that we are a lot older than we probably are, at least as hybrids.
And that has what to do with a non white god?
I'm not going to quote the bible for you on this, its the largest selling book on the planet, you can google genesis and read it for yourself.
Youll have to read genesis, your starting out with Adam and Eve and Cane and Able then all of a sudden there is a city with people.
Nope and nope again. This is your ridiculous claim it is up to you to provide the evidence. I care very little for your preaching reply that requires a lobotomy to accept.
Thats because I'm not here to make assumptions like you like to do. Anything I have presented to you weighs with good reason, not assumptions like you hold onto.
No remarks on how they got there. From me or the author.
No answers from you either just another sermon on your home spun religion which is why you continue to post here.
So to sum up your reply. You have not addressed any of the points I made. That if your fantasy was correct it would mean the bible is for non whites and does not include whites.
You have made it clear that your religion was explaining whites who are not mentioned in the bible. So explain where the white people came from when you have no so called 'historical documents' to refer to.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by MrXYZ
No I think its more like you can't explain these things so you are wrong. I noticed how you offered no proof or evidence to prove them wrong.
Every single statement above is factually wrong...well done tooth
You are a bit like the Stephen Colbert of the Origins forum
Lets look at this a little closer. First of all I'm not sure if your writting your own version of evolution, like everyone else is on here, or if your going by somone elses work. I don't remember seeing any quotes from you regarding electromagnetic phenomenon.
Life is a phenomenon, evolution is not a phenomenon.
Are you really that disconnected with the world around you. I disagree with pretty much everything you claim. I am in fact calling you very wrong and very dishonest.
I guess all that matters at this point is that we are both agreeing on the facts.
Again with the purposeful dishonest tactics. You cherry picked from the link you supplied I was not talking about the bible and you know that very well.
The remainder of the book still explains how earth is not our home. Just because I chose a few examples doesn't mean the rest of the book makes no sense in that same direction. Then again you assumed so.
Assuming based on logic. Your document tells us where the authors were born and what nationality they were. So the assumption they were not white is a well founded assumption. Your answer fails.
1. we dont know that answer, your assuming.
The point is you say the aliens enslaved those they brought to earth. The bible was written by that enslaved people. Given my point in #1 they were not white and so if they came from another planet the whites were not included in that book.
2. It's actually about a lot more than just that but there is some of that in there yes.
Nothing in the bible is proven. Whether you like it or not Jesus was 99.9% certainty, non white.
3. This too is unproven, your assuming.
What a fake you are.
4. Again your assuming a lot again. I think the key here is your obviously an assumer.
What What ....................... your answer to: If there is no mention of white Europeans then matey you have another problem. How do you know whites were not already here and native to earth?
That was my way of saying it has to remain an unanswerable question.
That depends on what your referring to that I'm not willing to learn. If your talking about me just taking someones word on evolution from this thread, then ya, your right. However I have learned a hell of a lot from this thread including the basics about evolution directly from a suggested website, and other websites.
You know why you will never understand what's being told to you? Cognitive bias. You are being presented with plenty of arguments that are basically irrefutable. To cope with it, you fall back to some preconceived notions you have about the universe, and refuse to budge on them, even though you cannot prove that you are right about even those same points.
It's ridiculous that this thread is even still going. It's clear that you are the one who is lacking the intelligence to learn
Nope. I already established that the bible was written by and for people from planet black. I am talking about white people that the bible does not mention.
It's in genesis, all you have to do is read it.
It only has to do with opinions. The opinion of the authors of the bible and your opinion of what they meant. AKA your opinion.
No, this is actually in the bible, has nothing to do with any opinion.
Why not?
Those answers are not available.
What. You just wrote 'Those answers are not available. ‘ Now you claim to have documentation. You seem more confused than usual.
Unfortunatly your wrong, we have documentation that clearly tells us people were here before or right after the bible addresses adam and eve.
I have already established the bible was written by non whites. The bible (written by non whites) says man was made in his image ergo God is not white. So now explain whites.
Your bent on knowing what color God is, when your first of all totally unaware of the fact that no one ever got to look at him, and second that the largest missunderstandings from the bible are about semantics.
Nope. It clearly states. Man was made in his image. Not man was made in his imager. Documentation is meant to be about real information and clear documentation about factual information. So now you admit the bible is not clear documentation.
God making us in his image could have several other meanings. It could be someones way of saying we were crafted from the image of a microscope.
Strangely when you are told to Google information, given links to information you insist we supply it to you and then show no signs of ever reading it. So you supply the relevant information.
I'm not going to quote the bible for you on this, its the largest selling book on the planet, you can google genesis and read it for yourself.
In your last two posts to me alone you have made nothing but assumptions, even assuming man being made in gods image could mean through a microscope. That you have no answers to where white people come from but know anyway, somehow. What colour and so what planet the authors of the bible were just to mention a few.
Thats because I'm not here to make assumptions like you like to do.
I bet I can guess what you wrote and so give you a star. Couldnt have said it better myself
Originally posted by MrXYZ
...edit on 27-7-2012 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)
Well that is your opinion and your entitled to your opinion, but you know what they say about opinions? I get my intellectual integrity from understanding sections of the bible, which by the way are considered to be a historical document, Erich Von Daniken, Lloyd Pye, and Zecaria Sitchen, all agreen on how we got to earth. I have no idea what your basing yours on. And I seriously don't see how all these people including myself can be wrong, and your pseudo science be correct.
So what we have here is another spammer of logical fallacies that the spammer can't even back up.. Ugh, I think threads like this would go so much better if we could just suspend people for intentional dishonest ignorance :/ Maybe make room for people whom are willing to actually show some form of intellectual integrity
But I don't believe in religion. Perhaps it would have helped you to study and understand the subject matter before making your own prognosis.
When you see someone repeat this behavior over and over again, it's often known when I was a Christian as a means to turn intellectual discussions that threatened the religion into pure ignorance.. It's a direct debating tactic to bury such educational topics in nonsense to disrupt anyone from taking it seriously.. I've often had discussions on how to best do this with other Christians on CARM, and it's clearly being used here. Why they don't get suspended or ban for it? I donno :/
Well that is your opinion and your entitled to your opinion, but you know what they say about opinions? I get my intellectual integrity from understanding sections of the bible
Your only stuck on the black and white thing because I offered the possibility that we all might be from different planets, and you just want to prove that wrong. I'm not sure if your aware of the chapter in the bible that speaks of the tower of babble. It's assumed of course that God made these different people, complete with different languages and color as a punishment to us for trying to build a stairway to heaven. We assume that white people were here first, but the fact is I'm not aware of any proof of that.
It's in genesis, all you have to do is read it.
Nope. I already established that the bible was written by and for people from planet black. I am talking about white people that the bible does not mention
Well anything can be looked at in that way, but the problem is that your overlooking the fact that there is just way to many other things that all agree. I guess the easier way to explain this is that the bible was intended to explain to us that we are not from earth, yet for unknown reasons this obvious direction was either ignored, or taken in any other context except that.
No, this is actually in the bible, has nothing to do with any opinion.
It only has to do with opinions. The opinion of the authors of the bible and your opinion of what they meant. AKA your opinion
Like I indicated, those answers are not available.
my question: So who was here first, what color and nationality were they, who knows?
your answer
I'm not sure, maybe no one ever thought it would be a question.
Why not?
Color and nationality are not shared that I'm aware of.
Unfortunatly your wrong, we have documentation that clearly tells us people were here before or right after the bible addresses adam and eve.
What. You just wrote 'Those answers are not available. ‘ Now you claim to have documentation. You seem more confused than usual.
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Again your making another assumption about the image. What I did to help figure things out, is I looked for additional explanations that back up the meaning, then when they both concur, then I stuck with it.
Your bent on knowing what color God is, when your first of all totally unaware of the fact that no one ever got to look at him, and second that the largest missunderstandings from the bible are about semantics.
I have already established the bible was written by non whites. The bible (written by non whites) says man was made in his image ergo God is not white. So now explain whites.
You have to also remember that there is translatiion, and in addition to it being from a much older language. The bible is not clear as a WHOLE. The parts I have shared are clear because like I said, I looked for back up of the understanding elsewhere in the bible.
God making us in his image could have several other meanings. It could be someones way of saying we were crafted from the image of a microscope.
Nope. It clearly states. Man was made in his image. Not man was made in his imager. Documentation is meant to be about real information and clear documentation about factual information. So now you admit the bible is not clear documentation.
So your assuming that because I didn't share something that it must not be relevant.
I'm not going to quote the bible for you on this, its the largest selling book on the planet, you can google genesis and read it for yourself.
Strangely when you are told to Google information, given links to information you insist we supply it to you and then show no signs of ever reading it. So you supply the relevant information.
There is other things that concur with the idea that god manipulated us through the use of genetics. Of course if he had been our real creator there would , or should have been no need for that, he obviously isn't our original creator. So no assuming here, its all redundant.
In your last two posts to me alone you have made nothing but assumptions, even assuming man being made in gods image could mean through a microscope. That you have no answers to where white people come from but know anyway, somehow. What colour and so what planet the authors of the bible were just to mention a few.
You are only here to make assumptions because that is all you have
Your only stuck on the black and white thing because I offered the possibility that we all might be from different planets,
I guess the easier way to explain this is that the bible was intended to explain to us that we are not from earth, yet for unknown reasons this obvious direction was either ignored, or taken in any other context except that.
You know as well as I do that biblical things cant be proven academically. However your are at the same time saying that if it can't be, then it can't be truth, and you know that isn't so.
Going to say this bluntly.. Either back it up academically and prove it or seriously sit down.. It's pathetic you sit here and expect people to take your imagination seriously on an appeal to ignorance. Now normally I don't mind fantasy talk, but you aren't in a thread that tolerates fantasy over empirically supported and academically supports positions.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
That depends on what your referring to that I'm not willing to learn. If your talking about me just taking someones word on evolution from this thread, then ya, your right. However I have learned a hell of a lot from this thread including the basics about evolution directly from a suggested website, and other websites.
So your wrong, there is no way you can say I'm not willing to learn when I actually have.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by TheJackelantern
You know as well as I do that biblical things cant be proven academically. However your are at the same time saying that if it can't be, then it can't be truth, and you know that isn't so.
Going to say this bluntly.. Either back it up academically and prove it or seriously sit down.. It's pathetic you sit here and expect people to take your imagination seriously on an appeal to ignorance. Now normally I don't mind fantasy talk, but you aren't in a thread that tolerates fantasy over empirically supported and academically supports positions.
I doubt very seriously that just because something can't be proven academically, that it automatically means it can't be true. Thats a very odd belief, and shows that your not an honest person.
No your wrong again, I'm basing it on the documentation of those events, it's not a belief.
No regarding biblical, I do back up my arguments with empirical evidence. That which I will go more into detail within my next article on the subject.. But for you, you have nothing...And you are basing it on what you want to believe and not what the actual evidence shows.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by TheJackelantern
No your wrong again, I'm basing it on the documentation of those events, it's not a belief.
No regarding biblical, I do back up my arguments with empirical evidence. That which I will go more into detail within my next article on the subject.. But for you, you have nothing...And you are basing it on what you want to believe and not what the actual evidence shows.
The idea that things are suppose to be in a balance to survive, is in strong debate. All I have done is take it to the extreme to prove that in fact the only time things do survive is when there is some sort of balance. The fact is that you can't dispute that every species is supposed to have something to eat, you would have to be an idiot to believe otherwise. No one will ever change my mind that a species will only survive if it has food. The only difference between what you and I believe about this matter is I believe that everything is planned out, or at least it was in the beginning, while you believe its just a crap shoot and everything will eat what ever it can, and its supposed to be that way with no alignement. You also believe that there is nothing wrong with one species eating anothers food as it can venture over to someone elses menu to make up for it.
By that, you mean that you won't even believe the findings of thousands of evolutionary biologists, which have been LINKED here multiple times. You have been shown papers, university websites, and even books (that you refuse to read) by Richard Dawkins.
You are REFUSING to learn it, so yeah, you are in denial. You are always falling back on points that you consider important, when really, they don't disprove evolution nor do they even matter. Target food? Please, that's a made up piece of bullcrap. You say you've backed it up, but you've only proven that you have no clue what you're talking about.