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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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I decided half way through posting my reply not to bother just as you did not bother to give one honest answer. I put your Fooltopian theory to the test and you have failed to defend it on every point.




posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Of course your totally missing the big picture here to begin with, which is why are we having to hunt down animals to begin with.


Wait...your point is now that food isn't miraculously floating into our mouthes???


EVERY SINGLE BEING ON THIS PLANET has to make an effort to get food...so according to your logic, none of them are from here. You can't be serious, what a stupid argument



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Again. Not one honest reply. Not one piece of logic and never any supporting evidence. You are one lazy waste of effort.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Not at all, like I keep explaining, my body can also prepre me for future attacks from a hammer, which is not to say that hammer attacks are normal.
Ah an experiment. Hit yourself very hard on the head with a hammer and then report your findings on how well your body prepared you for that attack. Don’t forget. Do it very hard.


Thats ludicrious, we wouldn't have so much inventions, and adaptations.
Why is it any more ludicrous than your spelling of ludicrous or your dumb fantasy?



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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I see from your responses you maintain you are a native of Fooltopia You could be correct in your case
Your making foolish assesments.




Which could show that slight varriances could exists, but not getting frost bitten or heat stroke.

It shows that the ranges our body can cope with indicate the ranges of Fooltopias climate would be similar.
It's possible that being frosbitten or getting heat stroke are not something of the norm.




Actually the opposite, you never hea about polar bears getting frost bitten, sorry your wrong.

Polar bears have adapted so well to the cold that they are more in danger of overheating so their problem is losing heat which they achieve the same way dogs do. The polar bear is a specialist and has evolved to live in the extremes which in no way proves you right. Good try at avoiding the point but as usual a failure
And what your saying is that what is good for polar bears is not good for us. Why haven't we evolved? Probably bec ause nothing evolves.




Just because we have sweat glands doesn't prove or disprove that we are to do work.

I never said it did. You claim we that we have to work because all the things that should be here at our fingertips are not because we are not from here. That means there is no need to work on Fooltopia and thus no need for sweat glands that you now say we need when we work. Explain.
No it doesn't, your taking a stand that our home planet must be a complete opposite of earth, and there is no evidence of that. All I'm saying is that I'm sure there are a lot of simularitys, but not exacts.




Maybe we have to run from an animal, or maybe they are to cool us down from hot sex, its hard to say.

So Fooltopia has dangerous animals that attack us? Sex on Fooltopia and its perfect climate would be so fitting we would not need to sweat. I don’t care if it is hard to say. These are your claims, you need to explain them
I was just commenting, there is nothing to prove there is animals on our home planet. BTW our home planet has a name, as mentioned in the bible, its called heavan. Another shocking piece of historical evidence.




Some animals may not be from here so that is a flawed assesment.

So you say. Where is a list of your suspects?
Again I'm just making a comment. I'm not in a situation to give exact examples.




That statement seriously depends on your location. ......... Not addressing the point

If it is windy on Fooltopia it means it has weather. If it has weather that makes us cold enough to shiver then it is not perfect. Explain.
I said IF WE WERE WET.




The chart of conditions clearly stated the planet might be a constant 72F.

It also says it may be -11°C or 460 °C. You claimed it fact that it was a constant 72F. That is a lie.
Judging from the color of the sky is what I read, it appears to be about that.




It was the reason for me finding out about the planet to begin with, somone at work at told me scientists had just found a planet that appears to be a constant 72F.

And as usual you only read what suited you and ignored everything else and call it fact. Telling me that is a lie.
It was the whole significance in finding the planet to begin with.




The difference is that we use that theory everyday when dealing with our own planet, so there is reason to consider it to having some truth to it.

But not when it is about evolution that has much more evidence than a planet passing a sun 600 light years away. You are so dishonest it makes everything you say laughable.
We don't have any PROVEN examples of evolution to follow.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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We don't have any PROVEN examples of evolution to follow.


You keep on repeating this nonsense even after people provided you with dozens of examples...so either you're stupid or simply ignorant. Take your pick.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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I asked you to explain why black people are black. Do that
They have different pigmentation in their skin.




True but the planets athmosphere might ward off rays that we find so harmful to us here.

So now explain why the concentration of oxygen of our atmosphere is at the correct level to allow us to breath and why all the other gases are not poisonous at the levels they are.
Scientists have theorized that the type of athmosphere we have is the only type they are aware of that could substain life. It is possible that there are many other planets with SIMULAR ones. As far as we understand, ours is idea for us, but the fact is there could be a slightly different athmosphere that is even better for us.




No it was not a fair comparison.

That is you showing your denial and dishonesty. It does not support your lies so you deny it. Tough because anyone and everyone else would call it a fair comparison.
An ape using a stick to pick up ants is not an even comparison to us manufacturing silverware and cutlery, and utilizing them everyday. Not a fair comparison, get over it.




Its not an issue of being wasteful, the need for cups just wouldn't be there. Your laughing but your mocking what you don't know or understand.

So explain if you are so sure Fooltopia would not have cups you must know what is used in their place
They aren't needed, your not getting it.




Altering the stick and manufacturing the stick are two very different things.

Nope. In both you take a raw material and produce something usable. The only difference is we manufacture many products rather than one but then the chimp does not sell his sticks at a market.
Sticks and silverware, are not in the same catagory, you can try to trick yourself in to believing they are, even go to the extent of throwing out all your silverware and replacing them with sticks, but there is no comparison.




We make silverware, and cutlery, did the ape poop out a stick?

Ah the workings of the mind of a borderline genius. Do we poop out silver ore?
Nope, we mine for ore, process the ore, melt and form the tool, buff and polish the tool, manufacture a handle for the tool, wash and use the tool. An ape just picks up a stick and uses it.




No but you could say we don't manufacture magic.

So another point you cannot address so you bluff with nonsense.
Your comparing it to something that would be viewed as magic in our time.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Whats wrong with just testing the theory? Thats what evolution did right? Or did they even test it?

I am testing your theory and it is failing every test. You state many other animals are not from here. List them. The fact you have now failed 3 times indicates you cannot. Your theory fails again.
Humans are not from here, dogs are not from here. There are many that are not from here. Dogs are scavengers just like us, they don't even have any food. But again you should first rule out extinctions.




Now look, this is easy to understand ok. Anytime you have to go out of your way, to make something work, or claim to make something better by having to go out of your way, is not an advantage, its a disadvantage.

I wrote: 'So why did Noah build the ark? Why did aliens build space craft?
Noah built the ark because he was avoiding the disadvantage of being in a flood. Aliens build UFO's to combat the disadvantage of not being able to travel.




If it is not an advantage why is it that 99.9% of the time a man with a gun kills a man with a knife? If invention is not an advantage why are humans the dominant species on this planet? A planet you claim is not our home.
Because your not considering the natural alternative which would have taken hours for him to beat him with his fists rater than just stabbing or firing a gun. They are both inventions, one just happens to be more effective.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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I decided half way through posting my reply not to bother just as you did not bother to give one honest answer. I put your Fooltopian theory to the test and you have failed to defend it on every point.
Not at all, your assumptions have no basis.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Wait...your point is now that food isn't miraculously floating into our mouthes???

EVERY SINGLE BEING ON THIS PLANET has to make an effort to get food...so according to your logic, none of them are from here. You can't be serious, what a stupid argument
My mistake, it should have said redundant effort.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Not at all, like I keep explaining, my body can also prepre me for future attacks from a hammer, which is not to say that hammer attacks are normal.

Ah an experiment. Hit yourself very hard on the head with a hammer and then report your findings on how well your body prepared you for that attack. Don’t forget. Do it very hard.
Just like our bodies prepare for an invasion of sickness, doesn't mean that it's normal.




Thats ludicrious, we wouldn't have so much inventions, and adaptations.

Why is it any more ludicrous than your spelling of ludicrous or your dumb fantasy?
It speaks for itself.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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Wait...your point is now that food isn't miraculously floating into our mouthes???

EVERY SINGLE BEING ON THIS PLANET has to make an effort to get food...so according to your logic, none of them are from here. You can't be serious, what a stupid argument
My mistake, it should have said redundant effort.



Redundant how??? It's a prerequisite to life


In your fantasy world, do grilled lamp chops simply float into people's mouths?





Just like our bodies prepare for an invasion of sickness, doesn't mean that it's normal.


Of course it's normal...same thing happens with animals

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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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You keep on repeating this nonsense even after people provided you with dozens of examples...so either you're stupid or simply ignorant. Take your pick.
Evolution has only ever been proven in YOUR MIND. There has never been any conclusive evidence that says it even exists.

Sure changes happen, but there is no truth that it's because of evolution. And I know what your going to say, then whats causing the changes? Is not an excuse to assume its evolution without any proof. Like I keep saying, evolution has never been identified, as I even used the example of ADHD being understood as an evolutionariy change.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Redundant how??? It's a prerequisite to life

In your fantasy world, do grilled lamp chops simply float into people's mouths?
Of course it is, we either redundantly adapt, or die. Now your getting the picture.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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You keep on repeating this nonsense even after people provided you with dozens of examples...so either you're stupid or simply ignorant. Take your pick.
Evolution has only ever been proven in YOUR MIND. There has never been any conclusive evidence that says it even exists.

Sure changes happen, but there is no truth that it's because of evolution. And I know what your going to say, then whats causing the changes? Is not an excuse to assume its evolution without any proof. Like I keep saying, evolution has never been identified, as I even used the example of ADHD being understood as an evolutionariy change.


Hilarious how after all those pages you STILL don't even understand that evolution is a PROCESS and not a CAUSE


And again, they don't know what causes ADHD so you look even sillier using that as an argument.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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Redundant how??? It's a prerequisite to life

In your fantasy world, do grilled lamp chops simply float into people's mouths?
Of course it is, we either redundantly adapt, or die. Now your getting the picture.


If we didn't adapt we'd die...just like everything else



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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Your making foolish assesments.
I think it is a spot on assessment of you and your pathetic answers.


It's possible that being frosbitten or getting heat stroke are not something of the norm.
It is not the norm here either.


And what your saying is that what is good for polar bears is not good for us. Why haven't we evolved?
It seems we have according to you. We have evolved an immune system, An innate fight or flight response and a system to control our temperature and an inquisitive, inventive nature. All the things we would not need on a perfect planet.


No it doesn't, your taking a stand that our home planet must be a complete opposite of earth,
Nope. I am questioning you about Fooltopia, the perfect planet but what I am seeing is that it appears very similar to this planet as you cannot answer even one question.


and there is no evidence of that.
That's for sure.



All I'm saying is that I'm sure there are a lot of simularitys, but not exacts.
You may be saying that now but this is not what you have claimed until I questioned you. You have made claims that on Fooltopia we have perfect food that all we need do is reach out for it. That this perfect food means we have no health problems on Fooltopia. That the weather on fooltopia is perfect and all its animals live in harmony and balance and do not need to hunt or work for anything. We have no need to be inventive or inquisitive because all we need is there, provided for us.


I was just commenting, there is nothing to prove there is animals on our home planet.
Really
So where do all the animals you say were transported here with us come from but cannot identify?


BTW our home planet has a name, as mentioned in the bible, its called heavan.
And you claim you are not religious although you cannot even spell heaven
Pull the other one. I call what you describe Fooltopia. As you would say it is a much more fitting name.


Again I'm just making a comment. I'm not in a situation to give exact examples.
What a pathetic response. So you can only apply this anti logic to humans. You know many other animals were transported here but cannot identify any of them. You must come from the dullest part of Fooltopia.


I said IF WE WERE WET.
And that makes a difference how?


Judging from the color of the sky is what I read, it appears to be about that.
They do not know the colour of the planet they based that assumption on an assumption.



It was the whole significance in finding the planet to begin with.
And you refuse to see that it is not about the planet. This is about you claiming as fact it has a constant temperature of 72F ignoring that was a guess and not mentioning that it was a guess and the two other guesses of -11°C and 460 °C. That makes your claim false and you a liar as you attempted to deceive to protect your fantasy.


We don't have any PROVEN examples of evolution to follow.
You don’t have any planet colour, temperature or even whether it is a rock or gas type planet or the shape of its orbit but you seem able to believe it as fact from one report you misread. You show you are the least reliable source of any information. Even though your perfect planet is nothing but a fantasy you will always be a Fooltopian.


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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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They have different pigmentation in their skin.
Why?


Scientists have theorized that the type of athmosphere we have is the only type they are aware of that could substain life.
Yeah, really? Provide a link.


It is possible that there are many other planets with SIMULAR ones. As far as we understand, ours is idea for us, but the fact is there could be a slightly different athmosphere that is even better for us.
If it is ideal for us then there can be none better because it is ideal.



An ape using a stick to pick up ants is not an even comparison to us manufacturing silverware and cutlery, and utilizing them everyday. Not a fair comparison, get over it.
I have nothing to get over. I wanted you to display your ignorance and you did. Job done. Of course a harder challenge would be to get you to show any indication of knowledge. WIP


They aren't needed, your not getting it.
You’re the one not getting it. You know cups are not needed on Fooltopia. Explain.


Sticks and silverware, are not in the same catagory, you can try to trick yourself in to believing they are, even go to the extent of throwing out all your silverware and replacing them with sticks, but there is no comparison.
Of course there is a comparison Fooltopian. It is how the products are used. A metal spoon may be a superior tool but it is the same tool as the chimps stick because it performs the same function.


Nope, we mine for ore, process the ore, melt and form the tool, buff and polish the tool, manufacture a handle for the tool, wash and use the tool. An ape just picks up a stick and uses it.
Nope. The Chimp finds the correct shape of stick. Shapes it, tests it then uses it as a simple version of our spoon. A metal spoon is more complex and so the processes to produce it are more involved. We also keep and value the workmanship to make the spoons whereas the chimp throws his away.

But wait. Have you never seen a wooden spoon? A spoon that is made by a person that finds a stick, shapes it and uses it.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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Redundant how??? It's a prerequisite to life

In your fantasy world, do grilled lamp chops simply float into people's mouths?
Of course it is, we either redundantly adapt, or die. Now your getting the picture.
You are really ignorant. Even you show the need for your term (that is not acceptable here) to be defined. How can something be redundant if without it you die.


My mistake, it should have said redundant effort.
And that is just as wrong
Incredible



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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Just like our bodies prepare for an invasion of sickness, doesn't mean that it's normal.
Wow your use of English is appalling. An invasion of sickness?


What is not normal about our immune system reacting to infection?

The point is according to you there is no illness on Fooltopia and you have yet to explain why we have an immune system at all.

Saying all animals have it just supports evolution because an immune system is needed on this planet and is yet another thing we share with all other life on this planet. Ours is the same as all other mammals and even closer still to other primates. Explain.


It speaks for itself.
Listens really hard. Nope I can’t hear it. You tell me.



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