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Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by PurpleChiten
And? A Ph.D. can't be wrong? Guess this guy must be lying...
Regardless of which definitions one uses to distinguish between a law and a theory, scientists would agree that a theory is NOT a "transitory law, a law in waiting". There is NO hierarchy being implied by scientists who use these words. That is, a law is neither "better than" nor "above" a theory. From this view, laws and theories "do" different things and have different roles to play in science.
-- Ronald H. Matson, Ph.D., Interim Dean & Professor of Biology, Kennesaw State University, here
Want to keep trotting out links? I'm pretty sure I can find at least one that says you're wrong for every one that says you're right.
Which clearly shows that your way isn't the ONLY way
Now, get on with your life and get over it.
I did NOTHING wrong, regardless of what your "opinion" of it was as shown by other professionals in the science field. You don't have to like it, but it clearly shows that it isn't absolute in the way you want it to be.
**ATTENTION**
You can gather billions upon billions of pieces of data to support a theory, it only takes ONE verifiable piece to disprove it.
Check, and Mate.
1. Observations and search for data
2. Hypothesis to explain observations
3. Experiments to test hypotheses
4. Formulation of theory
5. Experimental confirmation of theory
6. Mathematics of empirical confirmation of theory
7. Use of this confirmation to form scientific law
8. Use of scientific law to predict behavior of nature.
..so, he law was mathematically DERIVED from the theory, as are pratically all laws because that's the way it works whether you like it or not or whether you like the way in which it is explained or not.
Coulomb’s law of electrical charge: The attractive and repulsive forces for electricity are proportional to the products of the charge. This famous theory is now known as Coulomb’s law, which states that a coulomb is the unit quantity of electricity carried by an electric current of 1 ampere in 1 second. The unit of electrical charge, the coulomb (C), is named after him. As a result, a much better understanding exists of how to quantify electricity as a measurable current forced through a conductor by a voltage differential.
I still don't get what part of the scientific method is so difficult for you to comprehend.
..so, he law was mathematically DERIVED from the theory, as are pratically all laws because that's the way it works whether you like it or not or whether you like the way in which it is explained or not.
This famous theory is now known as Coulomb’s law, which states that a coulomb is the unit quantity of electricity carried by an electric current of 1 ampere in 1 second.
Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by PurpleChiten
I still don't get what part of the scientific method is so difficult for you to comprehend.
I understand the scientific method quite well. I've used it daily for most of my professional career and have two patents to show for it.
..so, he law was mathematically DERIVED from the theory, as are pratically all laws because that's the way it works whether you like it or not or whether you like the way in which it is explained or not.
But you still haven't provided an example of a scientific theory that became a law. You're providing examples of laws derived from theories. I've never disputed that laws can derive from theories. Your claim, however, was that scientific theories turn into scientific laws. The expressions "derived from" and "turned into" have two different meanings. You are derived from your parents. Your parents did not turn into you.
Further, the author of the quote you provided seems to be confused about the difference between Coulomb's law and the coulomb:
This famous theory is now known as Coulomb’s law, which states that a coulomb is the unit quantity of electricity carried by an electric current of 1 ampere in 1 second.
Coulomb's law states that the force between two charged objects is proportional to the product of their charge and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. The coulomb is defined as an ampere-second. This statement is as ridiculous as saying that Newton's law states that a newton is the unit quantity of force required to accelerate a mass of 1 kg at a rate of 1 m/s^2. Newton's law of gravitation states nothing of the sort. Newton's law of gravitation states that the attractive force between two objects is proportional to the product of their mass and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
Oh, and we're all still waiting to hear your theory of biodiversity. In keeping with the topic of the thread and all.
Originally posted by Confusion42
reply to post by PurpleChiten
I am not atheist.
I am agnostic (well, my own brand of agnostic).
My core belief though, is the following:
A person (such as and especially priests) who rape children (and use their religious authority to get access to the children), if such a sick person, according to your religion, get's admission to heaven for simply "saying" that he believes in God / Jesus
And
A person, who does good things, does not do bad things, helps his neighbors and fellow man, yet does not belief in a God, if your religion says this person goes to hell...
Than your religion is SICK, and simply used by the darkest of people to gain control over the population.
Religion and certain types of extreme priests and such, they USE religion as an excuse to rape children!
I can go on and on, but seriously, I will repeat again:
If your religion tells me I am going to hell because I don't believe, yet do NO bad, and YES good, and I go to hell
yet
A priest who rapped children goes to heaven because he believs....
Than your religion is a tool / excuse used by the powerful to fullfill their apparent sicko children raping agenda.
I'll take my chances and DO GOOD, do NO bad, and even recently, protect some of my neighbors, etc. and be agnostic....
Cause if your religion tells me that I will go to hell while the preacher goes to heave, than, all in all, this is proof that the religion is a cult.
So, you tell me.
Am I going to hell?
And is the priest that rapes children going to heaven?
What are you talking about, there is clear documentation in the bible that intervention is real.
Well no , I was just trying to say we aren't the only things that breath air.
Your also making assumptions that there is an evolutionary connection between us because we breath air. It's a mistake I'm finding frequently on the evolution side.
You are incorrect. I have given you the clear answers, you choose not to accept them.
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
beats me, how should I know? I don't believe in the present mainstream Christianity, but still have a belief in God and Christ (and the Holy Spirit). You're probably posting to somebody I replied to or something. If it were my decision, those rapist priests would go to hell, the decent people would go to heaven and those in between get decided on when they have their little chat with God. I'd probably be called Agnostic by the "fundamental evangelicals"... or maybe even an athiest by that group, but I'm not, so if you find out, let me know because I'm in the same boat with you. ... oh, and even the demons believe in Jesus Christ, they KNOW he's real (if there are really demons).
Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by PurpleChiten
You are incorrect. I have given you the clear answers, you choose not to accept them.
I gather that "clear" means "the first answer I could find that agreed with me, which is easily refutable by doing five minutes of basic research" in your vernacular. But by all means, don't respond to any of the points I bring up or any of the evidence I present when it's much easier to sidestep by saying that I should take it up with the author of the resource that you're using to present your side of the discussion and then saying "case closed" like you get to dictate the terms.
Now, back to the actual topic of the thread -- what's your theory explaining biodiversity? You still haven't weighed in and I'd love to hear what you think.