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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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How do we know 40 is the normal amount? What if 4000 is the normal amount? Seems pretty normal if thats what everyones got.
Studys of other life, show that we have way more than our fair share.


But we like you said, are incredibly different from most other life right? So how do we know what is, and what isn't normal for US.

Why do we need some type of relationship with life here, to be from here? Isn't just that we've lost that relationship over time through technological means?




posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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As I said dismissive, discourteous and ignorant refusal to offer any reasoned reply.


1. Build homes to live and would likely perish during harsh weather without them.
2. We live in almost every place on earth
3. We have a structured society
4. We farm and grow plants. Ants farm and grow fungi
5. We farm other animals for our own needs
6. We milk cows. Ants milk Aphids. We dont need too to survive we do so for convienience
7. We both have a wide range of food and both hunt and scavenge
8. Both go to war and have specialised units for that job (army).
9. We both use highways to move foraged and grown food to our cities, homes nests.
10. Process food. (see leafcutter ants vid in link 'farming ants')
11. OMG. New to me. Both ants and humans use antibiotics. See link for info
12. How could I have forgot. We both have a very wide range of foods that we incorperate into our diet.



1. As does most other species.
Name any that build with the complexity of humans and ants. That incorperate sewers, drainage, nurseries, utility rooms. I'll give you bees. Now list 6 more.


2. As does a high percentage of other species.
so what other animals thrive in temperate, hot cold jungle and deserts. Name a few.


3. As do most species.
Name me some other species that have workers, guards, farmers, nurses, teachers, waste management, recyclers, builders, soldiers.


4. As do a lot of other species.
Name those farmers


5. As does many other species.
Name those livestock farmers


6. I'm sure a lot of other species milk a lot of things out of convienience, but I think our is out of necessity.
You think does not count. Name those other species that farm and milk other animals


7. There are many species that do the same thing.
Yep so by your criteria they also do not have a target food. I will get round to them but we are talking ants and humans for now.


8. As do most species.
Name a few that form armies for the purpose of war to extend teritory and capture others resources. That enslave captured combatants.


9. As most species do as well.
Name a few


10. Nothing processes food in the way or the extreme that humans do.
Did you even go to the link I provided? Did you even look at the clip I pointed out? Leafcutter ants go to great extremes to process leaves that would poison other animals.


11. as does some other species.
Name them species


12. there are other species that are scavangers too.
That scavenge hunt and farm? Really.

So yet again you have refused to set out a reasoned argument and just responded with off the cuff comment dragged up out of ignorance. Your really have no idea of how discussion works do you.


Because there isn't anything that shows they don't fit in.
And neither is there anything that shows man does not fit in and you show by this response that you cannot find any either. Confronted by the ant you have no answers at all. The ant fits ALLyour criteria for not being from this planet and yet you insist they are. The ant shows you are wrong and you intention to not even consider them shows your intentions to remain ignorant.
Me


You seem unable to be able to explain anything. 'Could explain it' does not explain it. Explain autosomal dominance and its role in allowing the bushman to live past puberty without the medical intervention that you maintain is not possible.
You:


I'm not going to provide you with a history lesson on DNA. You will have to look it up yourself.
You offered autosomal dominance as a reason to explain the continued existence of the bushman. It is up to you to explain the part you believe it plays and for me to challenge or accept it once you have.

I believe you have seen a phrase you do not understand and have used it as an escape run. I have looked up its meaning and what it explains. Your refesal to offer an explanation confirms my suspicission has foundation. You are a lying fraud and you will remain so until you either go or begin to discuss.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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But we like you said, are incredibly different from most other life right? So how do we know what is, and what isn't normal for US.
The way I understood it was there is an average that was found across the board with all life that they looked at. Ours was off by about two digits.





Why do we need some type of relationship with life here, to be from here? Isn't just that we've lost that relationship over time through technological means?
It shows weather or not a species is part of a cycle of life.

We aren't part of anything on this planet, in both directions. We can't say that anything on this planet depends on us for anything. Nothing here would suffer if we up and died



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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How do we know 40 is the normal amount? What if 4000 is the normal amount? Seems pretty normal if thats what everyones got.
Studys of other life, show that we have way more than our fair share.
Name two studies that you have looked at that back up your postulated story.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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The way I understood it was there is an average that was found across the board with all life that they looked at. Ours was off by about two digits.
Who cares what you understood? Show the studies that have come to this conclusion. Your word has no value in this thread


It shows weather or not a species is part of a cycle of life.

We aren't part of anything on this planet, in both directions. We can't say that anything on this planet depends on us for anything. Nothing here would suffer if we up and died
Except for all the examples of relationships between man and other animals that you dismissed with more ignorance. I believe you do not even understand the question you ask. Explain what relationship means.

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Looking back on a few of your replies we, ALL of us on this thread have spoilt you with pages of information you refuse to discuss on anything but a rudementary level and that is being generous.

I believe it is time to take your training wheels away and demand discussion and back up on any of your off the cuff comments. Moving onto your next idiot comment only allows you to repeat them further down the line.

If you continue to refuse to present your views and discuss each one to a conclusion with a logical debate from you I see no reason for you to continue in this thread or us to partake in your madness.


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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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But we like you said, are incredibly different from most other life right? So how do we know what is, and what isn't normal for US.
The way I understood it was there is an average that was found across the board with all life that they looked at. Ours was off by about two digits.





Why do we need some type of relationship with life here, to be from here? Isn't just that we've lost that relationship over time through technological means?
It shows weather or not a species is part of a cycle of life.

We aren't part of anything on this planet, in both directions. We can't say that anything on this planet depends on us for anything. Nothing here would suffer if we up and died



The average was done across the board for all life, except intelligent life, obviously we haven't found any other examples of that.

So we leave and nothing happens, I don't see how this proves we aren't from here.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:22 PM
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Name two studies that you have looked at that back up your postulated story.
Well the human genetics video was an excellent source and actually the amount of sickness and disease by order of name on Wiki.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Who cares what you understood? Show the studies that have come to this conclusion. Your word has no value in this thread
Pye explained it was a comparison.




Except for all the examples of relationships between man and other animals that you dismissed with more ignorance. I believe you do not even understand the question you ask. Explain what relationship means.
Good point as it is technical.

Simply any directly involved realtionship that is of a natural sense, not invoked.




Looking back on a few of your replies we, ALL of us on this thread have spoilt you with pages of information you refuse to discuss on anything but a rudementary level and that is being generous.
Well thats not true, what little I have been given is mostly the repeat of links I have allready been given, its just the same stuff, not including all the personal attacks anyhow.




I believe it is time to take your training wheels away and demand discussion and back up on any of your off the cuff comments. Moving onto your next idiot comment only allows you to repeat them further down the line.

If you continue to refuse to present your views and discuss each one to a conclusion with a logical debate from you I see no reason for you to continue in this thread or us to partake in your madness.
Forced conclusion huh. There is no way we could have evolved from other life on this planet, while we not only have documentation telling us otherwise, but all the facts point out otherwise as well.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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The average was done across the board for all life, except intelligent life, obviously we haven't found any other examples of that.

So we leave and nothing happens, I don't see how this proves we aren't from here.
No it doesn't, it is however a major one out of dozens of things that all point in this direction.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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It's got to be the biggest snow job in the world. To actually think that our existance was totally made up from defects.
I understand its a main understanding with evolution but come on, how much defects can one take before something goes very wrong? Like elephant man, or two headed people.

I myself find it hard to believe that this is the mode in which everything evolves. It also would be very easy to track as the defects would just start stacking up in our inventory as life procreates, which isn't whats happening.
We would find it easy to identify those lost ancestors that we are unsure if they are part of the ancestor pool, simply based on how many and which defects they have, which again isn't the case.

I'm sorry to say, it just doesn't apply.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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If the present and the future were at war with eachother which one started it first?



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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I don't know, the future?



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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How could the future start a war first in their past with our present?

Aren't we at war with the future first? How can the future commit any act of war on their past prior to an act of war being committed upon them by us here in the present? (Manifest Destiny) If we were not at war with our future then why the need for social engineering devices such as money/banks, economies, governments, religions, all of which are having a direct effect on the genetic evolution of the future, and their children?

I'm not assuming to have answers to a few complex questions. Just thought I would share some things I'm sure someone somewhere may be pondering.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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The average was done across the board for all life, except intelligent life, obviously we haven't found any other examples of that.

So we leave and nothing happens, I don't see how this proves we aren't from here.
No it doesn't, it is however a major one out of dozens of things that all point in this direction.



Can you elaborate on how it points to that direction? And you keep saying there defects, which has a bad connotation. It somehow means we're progressing even though we're getting worse. But thats not whats happening here, we are adapting and use whatever word you want in place of defects.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Can you elaborate on how it points to that direction? And you keep saying there defects, which has a bad connotation. It somehow means we're progressing even though we're getting worse. But thats not whats happening here, we are adapting and use whatever word you want in place of defects.
Well you got that right on the money.

It's sad because evolution has managed to stake a claim in the definition of adaptation. The truth is that evolution has NOTHING to do with adaptation. Adaptation is a trait, an ability. Evolution is changes on the molecular level. There is no simularity between them.

Anyhow it would appear you stepped into this after I have allready repeated it several times. It would probably be best if you just search for my very first thread called its official god was a space alien and not our real creator. It's long to read, but I promise you will like it, it also answers a lot of questions about life in general that you always wondered about.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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I haven't seen vestigial organs mentioned, one of the best debunkings of creationism, besides the fact that there is no sign of the creator anywhere.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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Thanks for your responses and I haven't caught up yet but......... dont you see that humans were rewarded in evolution drastically,, by the choices our intelligence created throughout time individually and collectively? from the comfy bodies we have to the admiration of existence to envisioning and executing potential to actual.... compared to the life of a rat or insect....I am not saying their senses are not adjusted to enjoy to the fullest their existence and give them the ability to survive and produce... but as far as freedom and options go,, i think if i had to choose what to be, I would choose man....



also do you think it was far off willful decisions of ancient ancestors which destined their path and off springs path to their certain species,,,,, like how does one become born as an ant,,, why are you you and not anything else?
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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 11:30 PM
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you said if humans uped and left nothing would miss us or die and that is true,,,, but we could not have uped and left, or uped into ourselves in the first place, with out the earth and its resources.... we need the energy from foods to live,,,, I interpret the analogy of garden of eden is that the natural world was a magically mystically place,,, and the coming up of human intelligence was something that can appreciate this majesty, understand it, enjoy it, utilize it, you know the gardeners of the garden,,,,,,, you want to seperae your spirit from the material world,,, you believe what you are cant just be some ugly ape,,, and for now it is.... before it wasnt, someday it wont be......... the way i see it is the "life" on earth "created" a process to absorb and utilize the suns energy and light... over much time this process innovated,, took different routes, desireed different means and methods of existing,,,, but everything utilized from sovereign beams of the suns light,,, trapped into this earthly event,,,. now life on earth is this distance relative of the sun,, a dramatic play on earth of imagination, life and death..... what other imediate goal can there be for life but to reproduce so ones offspring can experience this weird and whacky world.,, in hopes of projecting a copy of yourself, created originally with a soul mate of your own, into the future states of the planet,,, if you are a human, this means the intellectual, and intelligenced physically induced world of the care takers of this garden earth.... so we live by absorbing the viable compressed forms of the suns energy,, wheather its fruit, vegetable, nut, grain, meat,,,.., so you are not eternally some weird ape,, and compared to some other things in the garden you should take it a great priviledge to be man.... this world is just a lesson the universe wants to show you,, a window into the way things can be somewhere, sometime... maybe to test what you can do with your opportunity,,



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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Name two studies that you have looked at that back up your postulated story.
Well the human genetics video was an excellent source and actually the amount of sickness and disease by order of name on Wiki.
so you have no sources of

1. A comparison of all illnesses suffered by humans but not suffered by any other animal?

2. You have no comparisons of illnesses suffered by animals but not humans

3. A compression of all illnesses suffered by both animals and humans.

Please source where you got the original information that you based you comment on as it seems you were just giving misleading information again. 'A video what I saw' is not a valid source.




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