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Can you prove evolution wrong?*

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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:18 AM
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BTW, I also think, and have experienced the spiritual world.

We are spiritual beings with immortal spirits, and imo we exist to experience all that the multiverses and life have to offer, but that doesn't exclude making right spiritual/moral decisions such as not causing harm on other lifeforms if they have not harmed you.




posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:22 AM
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did your "friend" talk to you?
its embarrassing that i have to talk to an adult like this but this is what is comes down to.

why are we immoral? who sets the standard for immorality if human nature IS ALL WE KNOW!
this is the only life you could ever know to have.
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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by vjr1113
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dna
we have proof of evolution in dna. go wiki it or dont if you dont really care if your beliefs are true,


My dear, scientists can be as much a confused lot as any other.
There is a natural process of creating an offspring which involves mixing of genes of two people.
The so called 'evolution' you talk about is no different from this.

The 'law of karma' says that even bodily features of offspring are influenced by karma. I have said before in this thread that DNA is created in body under power of soul. DNA creation stops when soul leaves body.

The makeup of soul (called 'vritti' in sanskrit) is made up of the karmas, and affects physical attributes. So what you call 'evolution of DNA' is nothing but impact of soul's makeup.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by vjr1113
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


did your "friend" talk to you?
its embarrassing that i have to talk to an adult like this but this is what is comes down to.

why are we immoral? who sets the standard for immorality if human nature IS ALL WE KNOW!
this is the only life you could ever know to have.
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Crazy Luciferians, you! Always messing with the Joans of Ark!


But...hmmm...cats.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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everyone is entitled to their beliefs. i respect yours.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by vjr1113
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everyone is entitled to their beliefs. i respect yours.


And I respect you for that. Love.

Man always tries to look for answers to various riddles faced in life. This is how man becomes knowledgable.

A wise man is who can analyze and look through.

The very fact I am such a tiny speck in a massive (beyond imagination) universe makes me think there is some power much more powerful tham me. And that is a start.

Peace.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:42 AM
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Firstly you have to come to a consensuses as to what we all consider as proof, or the goal post will be moved. Proof is a very slippery term, in fact proof when taken to its limits is more a philosophical concept rather than some point at which something qualifies as proof. Proof is akin to the term perfection its more in the eye of the beholder rather than some disconnected thing which we try and accomplish. Therefore, as normal, one is left with evidence, a collection of aspects, materials, statements, and logical arguments to win a group or individual over whichever way that is.

Having covered the above, I believe there is a good supply of evidence which dispels much the main core of the evolutionary argument. Archaeological evidence as credible as any which supports ancient history would indicate humans/bipedal animals were around well over 250 million years ago, certainly humans were operating here around this time. One could push this even further by arguing humans or a very advanced animal, advanced to around our level were here 3.4 billion years ago of which there is archaeological evidence and finds to substantiate this. As a result, the established view of mainstream archaeology and anthropology which broadly states humanity as we accept humanity is at best around 100,000 years old give or take 20,000 years is way, way off.

The above alone ( if accepted ) based upon normally accepted criteria is enough on its own to dispel or shake the very foundations of the Darwinian argument.

One could look further into the diversity and complexity of life on the planet and how it is interconnected to raise other valid views as to why the Darwinian perspective is seriously flawed. But, for now I feel the timeline and the evidence is sufficient to bring the whole eveolutionary argument into focus.
Also, the fact that evolutionary views base some of their main core arguments on the reality that all or most of life share the same broad structure is little or no evidence that evolution is true and correct. This is like saying because a housing estate has used the same bricks, kitchens, and windows, for every house it proves evolution, we know this would be ridiculous to suggest, but nevertheless, this approach appears to have been adopted by the supporters of the Darwin concpet, although, Darwin in fact stole many of the concepts off a colleague of his in the first place to construct the theory of evolution.




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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:44 AM
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If evolution is wrong, then how can you explain the need to create new influenza vaccines each year? Get with the times smart guy.
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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:48 AM
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I was about to go into this but byeluvolk put it way better than me!



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:57 AM
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my friend I don't think any of us are going to know one way or another until we take that ride back home, the only thing we can do is be ready to accept our beliefs and ideas maybe wrong or they may be right, but I'll say it again either way the cookie crumbles dosn't really matter does it, your alive, your happy, your a good person, isn't that more important than being right or wrong?
peace and happy to you



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by vjr1113

the big bang didnt necessarily have to create everything. it just explains that the universe is growing away from itself. and we DO have proof for the big bang. there's Hubble and background radiation. wiki is your friend.


But it doesn't explain from where all that matter came from, it just says it existed in a very hot and dense form and voila it started expanding after the explosion. But what was before that?

Just because the known universe is expanding now doesn't mean it will continue to expand indefinetely. It could merge with other Universes, or it could contract after a certain point, or something else could happen.

Maybe the Steady State theory is right, or any of the other "theories". However, there are inconsistencies with the Big Bang theory, yet it is still being treated as the most prevailing theory.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by vocalyolk
If evolution is wrong, then how can you explain the need to create new influenza vaccines each year? Get with the times smart guy.
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Those are not big jumps in evolution, viruses become stronger to vaccines, just like a human can become immune to a snake poison's if that person is given non-lethal small amounts of that poison over a period of time. That does not prove evolution.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by vjr1113

the big bang didnt necessarily have to create everything. it just explains that the universe is growing away from itself. and we DO have proof for the big bang. there's Hubble and background radiation. wiki is your friend.


But it doesn't explain from where all that matter came from, it just says it existed in a very hot and dense form and voila it started expanding after the explosion. But what was before that?

Just because the known universe is expanding now doesn't mean it will continue to expand indefinetely. It could merge with other Universes, or it could contract after a certain point, or something else could happen.

Maybe the Steady State theory is right, or any of the other "theories". However, there are inconsistencies with the Big Bang theory, yet it is still being treated as the most prevailing theory.


no one knows where the universe came from. id say it always was.

the universe can grow indefinitely and die off, or it could collapse on itself. there is no evidence for other universes

yes it's the best we can do



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by vocalyolk
If evolution is wrong, then how can you explain the need to create new influenza vaccines each year? Get with the times smart guy.
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Can you explain your argument somewhat more. I think I have not understood you point?



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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so what if evolution is correct ,does that take the hand of god out of any of it ? it does not , it simply proves how the "Creator " created



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by vocalyolk
If evolution is wrong, then how can you explain the need to create new influenza vaccines each year? Get with the times smart guy.
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Those are not big jumps in evolution, viruses become stronger to vaccines, just like a human can become immune to a snake poison's if that person is given non-lethal small amounts of that poison over a period of time. That does not prove evolution.


that proves micro evolution, evolution within species.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by k0mbination
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my friend I don't think any of us are going to know one way or another until we take that ride back home, the only thing we can do is be ready to accept our beliefs and ideas maybe wrong or they may be right, but I'll say it again either way the cookie crumbles dosn't really matter does it, your alive, your happy, your a good person, isn't that more important than being right or wrong?
peace and happy to you


There is no journey back home unfortunately.
There is no option but to know.
The soul is imprisoned into the material world - a place of suffering.
Believe me you have no idea.

Veda says there are 8.4 million different life forms existing in the Universe.
Out of that ONLY ONE has the power of intellect, and that is humans.
Only humans have the means to break the chains.

The rest of life forms are nothing but punishment (what you call hell).
Humans commit sins due to not knowing (and sometimes knowingly).
Each sin has corresponding punishment.

God never forgets, and never forgives.

The idea of a kind God is a myth.






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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:32 AM
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technically your point is valid. evolution and deism are not mutually exclusive from one another. one can believe in evolution and a creator. but the whole adam and eve thing goes out the window.
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posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Actually in the case of viral and bacterial infections it is exactly evolution in it most prominent form. The individual virus or bacterium do not suddenly change to become immune to the vaccine. What happens is there are a few strains of the organism that are and have been immune to it all along. Once the vaccine is applied it kills of those that are not immune to the vaccine. The result is those that have mutated in the past for some reason, and because of this accidentally became immune, are now the only ones left alive. Thus they are the only ones left breeding, and the next generations of the organism are that much more likely to be immune to the vaccine, as this mutation gets passed form the parents to the offspring. This is not a reaction to an encounter with the vaccine causing the virus to change, but rather a random change in the virus made it immune, and therefore it survives to pass this immunity on to its offspring. This is indeed the very definition of evolution.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by vocalyolk
If evolution is wrong, then how can you explain the need to create new influenza vaccines each year? Get with the times smart guy.
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Are you joking. So it's all down to the Flue is it ?

Pharmaceutical companies make yet more money, and at the same time help bring about the N.W.O goal of de-population. Also, there is very good evidence that possibly these type of things (could) be of Alien origin. Not 100% on this but I accept this is a very real possible. Anyway, a virus is not regarded as a living entity until it locks into a host where upon it becomes active, regarding replication. This argument is little or no evidence for evolution.

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