Can you prove evolution wrong

reply to post by itsthetooth


If you were used to walking around without shoes you would probably be fine. While not a perfect example, here is an example. My girlfriend used to do ballet. As a result she has massive callouses on her feet. Because of these callouses she can hold a lighter to her feet and not suffer any burns or anything. Similar callouses would form if you stopped walking around with shoes. You also have to remember that humans originally come from an area of Africa where the temperatures don't drop that low so they wouldn't have had to deal with cold or snow.

reply to post by Xcalibur254

Humans can survive on lean meat, fruits, vegetables, fish, and nuts. All of these can be found in nature and personally would be extremely healthy on such a diet. In fact some have argued that if one were to be on such a diet they would be free from diseases of affluence.

Thats simply not true. There are to many things that are missing in the diet, that we would suffer from. Our diet is very complex. Makes you wonder why we got away from that diet to begin with then huh? Because it never worked. It might work for apes, but our requirements are way different. So if you think we evolved from apes, or even have a common ancestor, what were we suppose to eat once we evolved. If your agreeing that our adaptation will carry us, then that means processed food.

How is that working out??

reply to post by colin42

I am not getting into any time wasted posting with you but that does not mean I will not call you out on another barefaced lie.

I have never said that we do not need medical help in all our lives. not only is that the gramma of a three year old, I wrote in reply to your idiotic notion that we are the only ones to get sick and that without medical intervention we would become extinct because we are not from here.

If you want to tell more lies in the future, and I have no doubt you will do not use my name and dishonestly represent what I said. Better still dont mention me at all.

Was that clear enough for you to understand troll? I will be watching.

Oh come on now, you made it more than clear that we don't need medical intervention and in fact kept referring to the bushman. Now your going to deny it?

reply to post by itsthetooth


Actually it is true. Maybe you should actually do some research before speaking. There are plenty of people today that live with such a diet. It's called the paleodiet. I know of at least five studies that have been done that have found it to be a very healthy diet. While it is not exactly the same as a true paleodiet nutritionists have said that such a diet would be even healthier. The problem is that maintaining such a diet today would be extremely difficult due to accessibility. However, one merely needs to look at our body to see that we are perfectly suited to such a diet. I've already pointed out our great stamina and our hands are perfect to pick fruits, berries, etc. and are also very well adapted to catching fish. The reason why our diet changed is because of the agricultural revolution. It became easier to cultivate our own food than go out and hunt and gather.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Your diet lacks meat, indicated as a problem according to Wiki.
Read the Nutritional claims section.
Anyhow it even says that most people that do go on that exact diet do end up resorting to eating the same cows and pigs we all eat. So the diet is almost impossible to follow.

According to Wiki anyhow.

I'm sure there are other things missing to that may not surface until long term exposure.

Something else I just realized here is you were commenting about the lack of accessibility of certain things. It's another clue we aren't from here. Diet is always like that, you can never live in an area where you have access to everything you need at the same time.

reply to post by Xcalibur254

However, one merely needs to look at our body to see that we are perfectly suited to such a diet. I've already pointed out our great stamina and our hands are perfect to pick fruits, berries, etc. and are also very well adapted to catching fish. The reason why our diet changed is because of the agricultural revolution. It became easier to cultivate our own food than go out and hunt and gather.

Ya I read that too. I agree we might be suited for picking berries and nuts but catching fish, I dunno. God had to teach us how to fish. It's as though we would have been so stupid we never would have figured it out. My point is that either way you look at it, fishing isn't instinct.

I think if things were different and we were on our home planet, we would have instinct to carry us in these problems. It appears we traded instinct for adaptation.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Would you agree by comparison, apes have a much healthier diet? Would you agree they have a more suited lifestyle compared to us? Why would we choose to leave that to not having a good diet and missing all the structure.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by colin42

 

I am not getting into any time wasted posting with you but that does not mean I will not call you out on another barefaced lie.

I have never said that we do not need medical help in all our lives. not only is that the gramma of a three year old, I wrote in reply to your idiotic notion that we are the only ones to get sick and that without medical intervention we would become extinct because we are not from here.

If you want to tell more lies in the future, and I have no doubt you will do not use my name and dishonestly represent what I said. Better still dont mention me at all.

Was that clear enough for you to understand troll? I will be watching.

Oh come on now, you made it more than clear that we don't need medical intervention and in fact kept referring to the bushman. Now your going to deny it?

Again you show yourself to be a liar and now a stupid child.

This forum allows you to paste in a quote. Go find and quote where I wrote we do not need need modern medicine. While your going back through the posts you can address the questions you ran away from.
BTW the bushman is not a man made out of bushes just in case as you never addressed the point I made giving him as an example either.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by Xcalibur254

 

Would you agree by comparison, apes have a much healthier diet? Would you agree they have a more suited lifestyle compared to us? Why would we choose to leave that to not having a good diet and missing all the structure.

You seem to be confusing our natural diet with what we're eating now. When we stopped our scavenger lifestyle and settled down with agriculture and technology, we stopped doing what was healthy for us. It wasn't like we chose, "Oh, let's be unhealthy!" It just accidentally happened. We haven't adapted to it yet, and as long as our medicine is good enough, we may not ever, because evolution often requires the removal of unhealthy genes from the populous. Because we are keeping the unhealthy people alive and allowing them to breed, their genetics pass on and continue to make it seem like we are not meant to be here.

Face it, we're from Earth.

reply to post by colin42

Again you show yourself to be a liar and now a stupid child.

This forum allows you to paste in a quote. Go find and quote where I wrote we do not need need modern medicine. While your going back through the posts you can address the questions you ran away from.
BTW the bushman is not a man made out of bushes just in case as you never addressed the point I made giving him as an example either.

Actually now I remember what it was, you were claiming that I said we would all die without intervention.
I never said that, I said there are over 2 dozen defects in our genes that wouldn't allow us to live past puberty without intervention.

reply to post by Varemia

You seem to be confusing our natural diet with what we're eating now. When we stopped our scavenger lifestyle and settled down with agriculture and technology, we stopped doing what was healthy for us. It wasn't like we chose, "Oh, let's be unhealthy!" It just accidentally happened. We haven't adapted to it yet, and as long as our medicine is good enough, we may not ever, because evolution often requires the removal of unhealthy genes from the populous. Because we are keeping the unhealthy people alive and allowing them to breed, their genetics pass on and continue to make it seem like we are not meant to be here.

Face it, we're from Earth.

I seriously doubt that evoltuion depends on attrition.

Sorry but there are just WAY to many things that tell us we aren't from earth.
We live in man made buildings. Man made clothing, man made heat and AC, man made food, man made electricty. Need I go on? Its obvious we are not from here.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by Xcalibur254

 

Let me ask you a question since you seem to be one with some brains. Assuming evoltuion is real. You should agree that some things here on this planet have target food. Like the ant, and the anteater. No question he was made to eat ants.

And termites, and fruit, Or hsd you forgot about that.

The Anteater EVOLVED to feed primarily on a specific food source, its called specialisation. But he is more than capable of eating other foods. Due to his extreme specialisation, he would struggle to eat anything other than insects, but wouldnt die if all the ants disapeared.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
I seriously doubt that evoltuion depends on attrition.

Sorry but there are just WAY to many things that tell us we aren't from earth.
We live in man made buildings. Man made clothing, man made heat and AC, man made food, man made electricty. Need I go on? Its obvious we are not from here.

That's actually one of the biggest ways that evolution is observed. The weak genes get killed by nature and the strong genes survive.

Man-made buildings are a result of our recent lifestyle change. AGRICULTURE. Everything man-made is a result of AGRICULTURE and spreading to environments that we are not naturally suited for. We evolved primarily in rainforests and deserts.

Is any of this ringing a bell or is it just whooshing over your head?

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by colin42

 

I am not getting into any time wasted posting with you but that does not mean I will not call you out on another barefaced lie.

I have never said that we do not need medical help in all our lives. not only is that the gramma of a three year old, I wrote in reply to your idiotic notion that we are the only ones to get sick and that without medical intervention we would become extinct because we are not from here.

If you want to tell more lies in the future, and I have no doubt you will do not use my name and dishonestly represent what I said. Better still dont mention me at all.

Was that clear enough for you to understand troll? I will be watching.

Oh come on now, you made it more than clear that we don't need medical intervention and in fact kept referring to the bushman. Now your going to deny it?

Liar...Liar...and thrice Liar. Not once did colin state that we never need medical intervention, that is your fabrication and you should apologise.

Your statement was that we COULD NOT SURVIVE WITHOUT medical intervention. Colin merley pionted out not only that humans had survived in the past without intervention, that some still do.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by idmonster

 

If we came from else where, then so did every single animal on this planet, because there is one small bacterium that we cant live without, and it cant live without us (the bigger us as in ALL terrestrial organisms) Its called mitochondria and it is in every nucleic cell of every animal on the planet (with the exception of sperm cells).

It's also not in blood, and just because we have some common things does not mean we are from here.

Tooth has stated that in transitional fosils, he's looking for just one thing that connects species.

This quote from way back shows that when you do present that evidence, the reply will be as above.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Tooth...you have a TAIL BONE. You have WISDOM TEETH which some children are now evolved to the point that they are being born without them as they are teeth that were used by our ancient ansestors to grind heavy plant matter.

Come on, we have more in common than that...
We also breath air, eat food, drink water, pee and poo, have two arms and two legs, two eyes, two ears, a mouth, a nose, teeth, a brain, nails, a buttox, two nipples, hair on our heads, the ability to make sounds and hear them. Now from this basic list, the ONLY thing that most other life doesn't also have is two arms and two legs. It's called overlap, and its lapped you a few times.

We might have a tailbone but what was the purpose for losing our tails? So we could sit in cars?

More evidence of species connectivity ignored.

Again

reply to post by itsthetooth

Actually now I remember what it was, you were claiming that I said we would all die without intervention.
I never said that, I said there are over 2 dozen defects in our genes that wouldn't allow us to live past puberty without intervention.

See above That is the quote function in action.
Don’t keep telling me what you think I said. You have shown your ability to think is 'questionable' to say the least. Don’t tell me what you remember. Your ability to recall is 'lacking' and your tendency to lie is legendary.

Quote me directly or stop referring to what you think I said. When looking back don’t forget to answer the questions you dodged.

BTW

I said there are over 2 dozen defects in our genes that wouldn't allow us to live past puberty without intervention.

That is why I gave the bushman as an example of a group that lives way past puberty without medical intervention or any of the other things you say we must have. If we did not live past puberty then we would all be dead wouldnt we.

That means no children. Extinction. So in one post you not only showed me to be honest you showed you have no understanding of what your own cretinous statements mean.

Are you going to address the point now or run like a scolded dog?

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by colin42

 

Or they got it from their original diet and their population numbers would show me right and you wildly wrong.

Human health problems across this planet account for about 25% of the yellow pages in your phone book. Now if you look in yours it could vary slightly, but in my area, taking into account hospitals, surgeons, doctors, nurses, physicians, counselors, and everything medical related accounts for 1/4 of the yellow pages of our phone book. And you can't see the forest before the trees. We are so screwed here you have no idea.

You reminde me of a mushroom only I'm not sure what they have been feeding you, just sitting in the dark. If we had none of our technology in medical science, we would be dead.

Of course in your mind, we evolved into medical science. Your wrong. We were forced into medical science from the need of it. Being on the wrong planet has taken its toll on our species and forced us to ramp up our medical background.

Above is your assertion that, and I think it bears repeating " If we had none of our technology in medical science, we would be dead"

What has any of this to do with alternative reasons for diversity?
It seems that some just keep feeding the insanity.
I would like to discuss the topic, but my post seem to keep getting lost in this 200 page debacle (no offense intended colin).
Quad

reply to post by Quadrivium


I agree entirely, however, some "new blood" has appeared and tooth is about to to rehash all of the stupidty of the last 150 pages. i thought I'd cut it short. He has specified criteria to some late arrivals that has already been covered and I really dont think my sanity could cope with it all again.

I'd rather trawl through the post again and find the appropriate areas for the new arrivals so they can revisit them in their spare time and see what has already been offered and the responses give.

(Actualy, trooth be told I'd rather sand my eyeballs with 20 grit paper and a lemon juice lubricant than go through that again.)

Apologies for the quotes, but I thought 4 posts in this case were beter than 40.