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posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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Excellent non sequitur reply to my post to itsthetooth. Can you be a little clearer when you're replying? Thanks.
Dont mistake your lack of understanding to begin with as a non sequitur.




posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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A hypothesis and a theory are two different things in science. You should learn the difference between the two before you say things that are this silly.
I know the difference, some of the links I was provided told me they were hypothetical.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by bottleslingguy
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so then why is it so unheard of that earlier species of sentient beings evolved on several of the other billions of Earth like planets in our galaxy? you'll say, "sure it's possible that they evolved but just impossible that they would pick this planet out of all the rest to come and visit. plus there is no proof". And I would say the proof is all around us. The dam is breaking my friend.


And I would say, who cares? You aren't providing evidence to support your theory on diversity, just like itsthetooth and you are posting in the wrong thread. Stop wasting everyone's time. Go post in the ancient aliens thread so you'll at least be on topic.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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That doesn't answer the question.
Science doesn't work like that man.
You cant break something down and get a composite and automatically know what it is.
Now in the real of evolution , yes things should be that easy. Based on the fact that everything you need to know, should be here LOL. I know differently.
We aren't from here so you don't find those answers, and if we were, you should have no problem doing so.

This is just like the normal scenerio about finding an alien skull. Science will NEVER say its alien until we have the option of knocking on ET's door and asking for a blood sample to compare our findings.




So? That still doesn't prove anything and I never said it was blood. Marrow, maybe, in which case my explanation suffices.
Again your looking for evolution answers in a an alien situation.




Wow, can you saw STRAW MAN?? Where the hell did I even hint that it could be Neanderthal??

Where do you get the 30% brain mass from?
I don't remember specifically why I used that, dunno. 30% ADDITIONAL brain mass was in one of his other videos about the skull.




I think you mean volume, and an increase in volume can be caused by hydrocephalus. As for the sinuses, not everyone has them in the same place. My ex used to get really bad dizzy spells to the point he'd pass out. He finally had an MRI done and they found out his sinuses were in the back of his head, not the front like most people. It's actually not all that uncommon.
Well no it's not impossible, I would say its uncommon however. I also know someone that has no sinuses. The star child also had adult teeth, and more waiting to come down. Now I even asked a dentist about this, and it does happen, but not five more, thats absurd. This skull could be looked at like freak of the century to try to explain all of these differences but it also lacks physical characteristics of any deformitys.




You're quite wrong.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
I told you there was only one database, so you provided me with one link that all goes to the same network. Granted they are technically seperate databaes, I was unable to find any others that offer querry searches that were NOT through NIH.




You know, when you're already in a hole, it's generally a good idea to STOP DIGGING.

I can't even respond to the rest of that post except to say that such a lack of science education and critical thinking really makes the future of America seem pretty hopeless.
Nope this was all researched and supported by multiple things. Now your insluting me saying that my 30 years of studying the paranormal and supernatural were a lost cause.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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And I would say, who cares? You aren't providing evidence to support your theory on diversity, just like itsthetooth and you are posting in the wrong thread. Stop wasting everyone's time. Go post in the ancient aliens thread so you'll at least be on topic.
Not at all. If we aren't from here, then there is no way we could have evolved from here.

Aside from water are you able to make any claims of indiginious food that is here for us? Can you explain our strong need to process food? We have no ties to this planet.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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I'm looking at allowable changes within a species without the species dying out. IMO it would take trillions of years not billions.


So let me get this straight. You believe it takes 3+ billion years to go from single cell to modern ape, as scientific studies suggest, but to go from THIS:



TO THIS:



Takes trillions??

You made the effort, but you failed to prove a single thing. Just drop the evolution bit out of your 'comedy' routine. Trust me, You'll be able to deceive more people without claiming verifiable evidence and facts are false.


Not at all. If we aren't from here, then there is no way we could have evolved from here.

All of your evidence for this is subjective and pure opinion. Not a single objective thing has been presented by you and you have admitted this. The topic of this thread is providing objective evidence.



Aside from water are you able to make any claims of indiginious food that is here for us? Can you explain our strong need to process food? We have no ties to this planet.

Wow. Outright lying again and resorting back to your original argument after its been thoroughly debunked and shown that you have not provided 1 tiny piece of objective evidence to support your theory on diversity. We don't need medical intervention or processed food to survive. We need our brains, and problem solving abilities. Races of human SHOW microevolution. If you've got evidence to support a DIFFERENT theory, post it or go to the ancient aliens thread. Why would you purposely keep posting in this thread, knowing full well you are not answering the topic? Try showing people a little respect on this site. It goes a long way.
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posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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I'm looking at allowable changes within a species without the species dying out. IMO it would take trillions of years not billions.


So let me get this straight. You believe it takes 3+ billion years to go from single cell to modern ape, as scientific studies suggest, but to go from THIS:



TO THIS:



Takes trillions??

You made the effort, but you failed to prove a single thing. Just drop the evolution bit out of your 'comedy' routine. Trust me, You'll be able to deceive more people without claiming verifiable evidence and facts are false.
Well I did say "IMO."




All of your evidence for this is subjective and pure opinion. Not a single objective thing has been presented by you and you have admitted this. The topic of this thread is providing objective evidence.
Aside from speciation being observed in micro organisims and viruses, I too have not been provided with anything factual.




Wow. Outright lying again and resorting back to your original argument after its been thoroughly debunked and shown that you have not provided 1 tiny piece of objective evidence to support your theory on diversity. We don't need medical intervention or processed food to survive. We need our brains, and problem solving abilities. Post the evidence or go to the ancient aliens thread. Why would you purposely keep posting in this thread, knowing full well you are not answering the topic? Try showing people a little respect on this site. It goes a long way.
So now your going to lie and try to tell me that you don't need vaccines and medical attention to survive. What do you live on a remote island? Your wrong and you know it, so you try to send me to another thread.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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And I would say, who cares? You aren't providing evidence to support your theory on diversity, just like itsthetooth and you are posting in the wrong thread. Stop wasting everyone's time. Go post in the ancient aliens thread so you'll at least be on topic.
Evolution does not prove bio diversity anymore than creation does. IMO neither of them can expalin diversity.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
Well I did say "IMO."

This topic isn't about personal opinions, and either way your opinion is beyond absurd. Thinking that a change from homo habilis to homo sapien would take trillions of years despite the similarities, and other organisms on earth that have changed much faster, in much less time. You are off your rocker, bud. All I'm trying to do is defend science, but despite all the contradictory evidence that has been posted you continue to be stubborn and dishonest.




Aside from speciation being observed in micro organisims and viruses, I too have not been provided with anything factual.

I'm assuming you read all of the links in their entirety and watched the 4 video lectures I posted?


Funny you haven't yet asked a single specific question about any of them.



So now your going to lie and try to tell me that you don't need vaccines and medical attention to survive.
What do you live on a remote island? Your wrong and you know it, so you try to send me to another thread.

People do it every day. Do you blatantly ignore everything that goes on in the world? 3rd world countries do not have vaccines like we do here. Vaccines are helpful, but they aren't necessary to survive. Homo sapiens survived 200,000 years or so without vaccines. That alone is proof we don't need them. Yes, they are beneficials, and yes vaccines are a large part of the reason we have 7 billion people on the planet today. Race in humans proves microevolution. Stop ignoring this. All I'm asking you to do is address the topic of the thread and provide objective evidence to show your theory on diversity of life (or evolution of humans). Stop failing.


Evolution does not prove bio diversity anymore than creation does. IMO neither of them can expalin diversity.


when in doubt, repeat. Unfortunately for you, you'd be laughed out of any real debate ignoring the evidence and counterpoints on the level you have in this thread.
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posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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I think someone new to the conversation who read your earlier posts regarding the crocoduck proving evolution would read the same thing into them that I have, namely that you really thought something like the crocoduck would prove evolution. You can backtrack and try to cover yourself by claiming it was sarcasm but, given your exhibited lack of understanding of some of the core concepts of evolution, that answer seems far less likely.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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This topic isn't about personal opinions, and either way your opinion is beyond absurd. Thinking that a change from homo habilis to homo sapien would take trillions of years despite the similarities, and other organisms on earth that have changed much faster, in much less time. You are off your rocker, bud. All I'm trying to do is defend science, but despite all the contradictory evidence that has been posted you continue to be stubborn and dishonest.
So if it only takes one offspring to make those types of changes, why are we not seeing them happening today? I'm not being stubborn and dishonest. I think you guys are being delusional. I have noticed with each link they are specifically showing to either be inconclusive, or still under investigation or they outright claim to be postulated theorys.




People do it every day. Do you blatantly ignore everything that goes on in the world? 3rd world countries do not have vaccines like we do here. Vaccines are helpful, but they aren't necessary to survive. Homo sapiens survived 200,000 years or so without vaccines. That alone is proof we don't need them. Yes, they are beneficials, and yes vaccines are a large part of the reason we have 7 billion people on the planet today. Race in humans proves microevolution. Stop ignoring this. All I'm asking you to do is address the topic of the thread and provide objective evidence to show your theory on diversity of life (or evolution of humans). Stop failing

Your wrong again, the purpose of medicine wasn't to extend our life, as you have overall explaines, it was to try to preserve it back to what it was suppose to be to begin with. We are suppose to live 1000 years according to the bible. Well at least before punishments.

The diversity of life could be from the hands of a creator.




when in doubt, repeat. Unfortunately for you, you'd be laughed out of any real debate ignoring the evidence and counterpoints on the level you have in this thread.
As soon as someone provides me with some, I'll stop laughing.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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I think someone new to the conversation who read your earlier posts regarding the crocoduck proving evolution would read the same thing into them that I have, namely that you really thought something like the crocoduck would prove evolution. You can backtrack and try to cover yourself by claiming it was sarcasm but, given your exhibited lack of understanding of some of the core concepts of evolution, that answer seems far less likely.
Nope, it was a scarstic claim, so I answered with a sarcastic reply and it wasn't even my message.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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I think someone new to the conversation who read your earlier posts regarding the crocoduck proving evolution would read the same thing into them that I have, namely that you really thought something like the crocoduck would prove evolution. You can backtrack and try to cover yourself by claiming it was sarcasm but, given your exhibited lack of understanding of some of the core concepts of evolution, that answer seems far less likely.
Well since your going to profile me, I can let you know how I have profiled you as well.
Your assumptions made against me stem from the very heart of your analizing abilities. You have to remember that while assumptions could have a lot of things to back them up, they really do show your chosen abilities.

I had to make some assumptions when I looked at intervention. They are all later confirmed by other things down the road.

Everyone knows that crocoduck is not possible, but your also looking at it from the idea that a crock mated with a duck. Your not looking at it from the idea that a crock evolved partially into a duck. Now from what I'm getting from evolutionists, anything is possible. Your trying to tell me that its easier for a tornado to construct a jet plane from junk parts easier than a crock polinating with a duck. In the realm of evolution it is possible that one morphs, so your wrong again Iterao.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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A mutation is merely an alteration of sorts to a molecule of DNA, not a trait. And please tell us how we are suppose to know what some future animal turns into. Its a continuum, all populations are in a state of transition every second of every day. To a first approximation we look exactly like some archaic cellular structure that arose some 3.8 billion years ago. Lay every organism from your lineage leading up to you on a table in front of you and at each step the subsequent and previous organisms look extremely similar if not exactly the same.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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Now from what I'm getting from evolutionists, anything is possible.


No...not everything is possible. And the theory doesn't claim otherwise



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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A mutation is merely an alteration of sorts to a molecule of DNA, not a trait. And please tell us how we are suppose to know what some future animal turns into. Its a continuum, all populations are in a state of transition every second of every day. To a first approximation we look exactly like some archaic cellular structure that arose some 3.8 billion years ago. Lay every organism from your lineage leading up to you on a table in front of you and at each step the subsequent and previous organisms look extremely similar if not exactly the same.


First of all from all of the links I have looked at, and some do vary in the findings, NONE of them ever could prove that any species has morphed into another species. Even some examples were thrown at me here of a kodiac bear mating with a polar bear. You started with bears, and you ended up with bears. Ok maybe he threw a bad example at me. Point being that there has never been a way to connect anything to anything else that has morphed.

Of course I believe in GMO's but at the cost of macroevolution, we would just die. There is no way we could live with the vast amount of changes. A species has never been witnessed changing into another species. If it was possible we could have things like the incredible hulk, Notice my signature ??? It's just not possible.

We have never observed it happening.
We have never been able to find bones or fossils connecting anything to anything else.
We don't see it in transistion today.
We lack the enviroment that would allow for such changes. For example when I turn into a gaint purple umpa loompa next week what am I suppose to eat? Whats my diet suppose to be?

And you cant say oh we will adapt and suffice. Because we have adaptated to the point that we would never need to evolve. And what about all the other critters here on earth, they aren't evolving and they also have left no traces of having evolved.
I call BS on the whole thing. There is no continuity in evolution and its all been attempted to be filled in with hypothetical theorys.

With intervention there is 100% continuity.
I'm sure we aren't from here. Even some evolutionists on here have agreed with me on this point.
There isn't anything that ties us to this planet. We don't fit in here, we don't belong here, and in fact the planet is rejecting us. This is why I'm on this thread. evolution did not bring us to what we are here at least on earth. Please provide me with a single example of another creature that is also being rejected by the planet like we are. Don't send me pictures of wildlife soaking in an oil spll.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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No...not everything is possible. And the theory doesn't claim otherwise
So now your going to tell me it isn't possible that a monkey gave birth to a human?



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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No...not everything is possible. And the theory doesn't claim otherwise
So now your going to tell me it isn't possible that a monkey gave birth to a human?
What theory says this? Its certainly not evolution, if this happened evolution would be considered wrong on so many different levels.



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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the op is just as interested in this and I've explained to him why I think this is more important. who cares about the details of evolution if our dna has been manipulated by extraterrestrials?



posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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and they can't give details on the "environmental stress" trigger/s



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