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Can you prove evolution wrong?*

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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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You have proven your beliefs but diversity without evolution? Not even close. If anything you have proven a grotesque misunderstanding of science in general.

You seem to rely on you tube for much of your education so this video should get you on track. If not could you please describe biodiversity without evolution and end this debate once and for all? If that's not possible then by all means start a new thread featuring your alien hypothesis.
Thanks
I dunno. Evolution does not prove biodiversity any more than creation.

Again your deflecting the question and the purpose of this very thread, answer the question or go away.




posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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I dunno.


There you have it, finally got an answer from itsthetooth.
Lets move on to hear from those that can answer the question of the O.P.



an explanation of the diversity of life from the deep dark depths of the oceans to the blue skies above and pole to pole.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Actually I just realized after looking at the video again that Pye specifically lists himself as the researcher. So I was right in one of my assumptions.



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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It does not matter who does the research all that matters is the results. I understand you have a problem with understandin the difference between some bloke saying he is correct (you do the same) and someone publishing scientific papers with the findings set out for peer review.

You of course will give a dumb reply and yet answer nothing. It is a waste of time conversing with you as you are clueless.

You are determined not to answer the OP topic and appear to intend to continue posting off topic. If evolution is wrong explain the diversity we see today. Put up or shut up.


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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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I have answered the OP, and proven that evolution is closer to a Rube Goldberg machine in contrast to creation.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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Yep. Expected dumb answer coupled with expected deluded view. Mate you never came close to explaining diversity.


edit on 18-12-2011 by colin42 because: bored answer



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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And you don't think its a little dumb to believe in evolution while they have never been able to piece together missing pieces to prove it huh?



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Again your deflecting the question and the purpose of this very thread, answer the question or go away.
I'm not deflecting anything. Biodeversity does not prove evolution anymore than it proves creation.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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It does not matter who does the research all that matters is the results. I understand you have a problem with understandin the difference between some bloke saying he is correct (you do the same) and someone publishing scientific papers with the findings set out for peer review.
Just because he hasn't shared them doesn't mean they don't exist.




You of course will give a dumb reply and yet answer nothing. It is a waste of time conversing with you as you are clueless.
No I think your the clueless one here, again, I have said it 5 times that just because he hasn't shared the written documents doesn't mean that they don't exist or that he can't.




You are determined not to answer the OP topic and appear to intend to continue posting off topic. If evolution is wrong explain the diversity we see today. Put up or shut up.
The OP has been answered through several pages of proving how we got to earth, proving that we aren't from earth, all the way down to backing it up with food we are eathing that obviously wasn't intended for us.

I'm sorry if you missed the important parts but it might be worth it to go back and review them. At this moment I stand unchallenged on these facts and would LOVE to hear anyones input on them. They are back up by a plethora of sources that unintentionally match with the findings.

If on the other hand you simply don't want to understand or care to, then all I can do is feel sorry for you. There has never been any proof that we evolved from primates, there is however a plethora of hypothesis of which some parts have been plausible. I'm sorry but I'm just the type of person that doesn't sit well with plausable. The bible is perhaps the best source of knowing what happened to us. God wanted us to document these things because he was at least smart enough to know that we would need to know down the road.

We are down the road now, and its time to know. The bible has been misunderstood as a positive book with reference to our creation. I find it to be a negative book filled with punishment and torture. Changing our DNA as a means to controll us because we werent willing participants is not a good thing. Religious folks will argue this but IMO these punishments and dropping atomic bombs on our species is not cool.

The answers we seek are there, however if you know little to nothing about the supernatural the bible might appear to be a fairy tale. It's not, It really happened. Typically I don't have a problem repeating myself but in this case you will have to review back in some notes. God knew what he had done to us wrong and that it was only fair we keep accurate history as he would be dead one day leaving use unable to fix what he had done to us.

We might not be in a technological state where we can fix this damage but at least we now know that it's there. If you don't believe in what I'm saying here then you are just one more step behind the process.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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So to the list of things you seem incapable of understanding we add bio diversity

You have not put one piece of evidence. 'You believe' carries no weight. The fairy stories you have concocted carry no weight. Until Pye shows real evidence, he carries no weight.

Just because you keep saying the same totally incorrect things over and over does not make them true. Your conclusions of what the bible says is nonsense and again carries no weight as evidence.

Your total refusal to even look at the evidence that has been offered you shows your complete ignorance of what evolution says is astounding and yet you say others have no clue.

A true Light weight.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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So to the list of things you seem incapable of understanding we add bio diversity

You have not put one piece of evidence. 'You believe' carries no weight. The fairy stories you have concocted carry no weight. Until Pye shows real evidence, he carries no weight.
You seem to suffer from selective reading. Your claim that my views carry no weight are senseless. I have explained over and over that bio diversity could have just of easly come from creation. You also missed how Pye is not the ONLY source I have put behind the idea of intervention. Your not saying anything about Van Doniken, Sitchen, or the bible, or are they all wrong too? Please tell me is everyone else wrong and your right?




Just because you keep saying the same totally incorrect things over and over does not make them true. Your conclusions of what the bible says is nonsense and again carries no weight as evidence.
Just because you keep claiming over and over they aren't true does not make them so. However it will in your own mind. I think when 4 non related sources are saying the same thing in different words, I think its a wake up call. I guess you don't want to wake up.




Your total refusal to even look at the evidence that has been offered you shows your complete ignorance of what evolution says is astounding and yet you say others have no clue.

A true Light weight.
The only thing I have been presented with is half handed quasi pseudoscience of which most has never been observed in the human species. You can pretend all you want that Harry the harry ape is your brother and you can convince yourself, but your not convincing me. Microevolution is the ONLY thing out of the plethora of theorys that hold any water in your view. You need to get a better belief. Honestly I find more truth in religion than I see in evolution.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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I think you're still missing the point of this thread. It doesn't really have anything to do with evolution. The premise is that if evolution is wrong, what else can explain the biodiversity on Earth. Biodiversity doesn't prove evolution. Evolution explains biodiversity. So far you have presented a theory on alien intervention in regards to the emergence and evolution of humans. That is far from explaining biodiversity without evolution.



posted on Dec, 18 2011 @ 11:05 PM
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I think you're still missing the point of this thread. It doesn't really have anything to do with evolution. The premise is that if evolution is wrong, what else can explain the biodiversity on Earth.
Just as much as creation can explain biodiversity. I honestly don't see any proof of connection of either of them, other than the fact that I can't seem to see how we all evolved from slime.

I even asked (I believe you) if you had the power to make so much life, would you stop at 5 million? Evolution is nothing more than a rube goldberg idea that explains bio diversity. Or visa versa, you choose. It's still not any proof of sorts anymore than saying a creator did all this. Creation answers questions, evolution creates more questions leading to more theorys.
Of course there is still the problem of who made the creator, just as much as who made the slime.

IMO there is another alternative that we aren't looking at. I'm not saying that evolution didn't happen anymore that creation didn't happen, they just both seem to have not happened here. Which is why intervention is golden.




Biodiversity doesn't prove evolution. Evolution explains biodiversity. So far you have presented a theory on alien intervention in regards to the emergence and evolution of humans. That is far from explaining biodiversity without evolution.
Well this is obviously why you keep missing the point. Intervention is not suppose to explain who or what made us, its explaining something unnatural that happened to us in our process. Thus the name INTERvention.

If we were created there are questions no jiving according to our mtDNA saying we have a common ancestor 200,000 years ago. Again if god used recycled parts from existing life, it could explain we were frankenstined. The bible talks about DNA and four headed creatures so its fitting for sure.
If evolution was how we came into existance, we seem to be lacking solid evidence which is why every site I have been directed to says its either still under investigation or unconfirmed.
IMO evolution from primates would not be possible in the short life span of earth. However that doesn't mean we didn't evolve on another planet.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 05:12 AM
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Prophecy, God speaking through His chosen messengers to say evolution is wrong.

A translation of a message to a French seer given in 1990.

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Jésus s'adresse à tous les milieux scientifiques du Monde,

Jesus speaks to all walks of scientists of the World

Lord's message to Jean-Marc (France) August 2, 1990

On this day, I, your Father Creator of the entire universe, I speak directly to all of the scientific world, to all of my children who have dedicated their lives to the science of men. Know you all my children, all you who think you learned the true meaning of the term, know that human knowledge is limited and dark against the infinite creation of God and his Laws and Commandments that govern all.

My children, open your eyes to the reality of things. You claim to know everything and know everything, but what did you handle my Infinity! You're a tiny speck of dust that claims to know everything! Find humility, the world's children, because it's your pride that you lose.

All your knowledge and current laws are based on quicksand, on illusions total since all your so-called "human science" was all based on the negation of God, I, your Father and Creator.

If you want to understand everything in denying my existence, not only your understanding can only be darkened, but you will never find the Truth.
Know you all: scientists, doctors and scientists, that all things were created by God and that nothing can exist without God.

Remember, once again, that man does not come from the animal, but that each element of my creation was created separately, each for a specific function. Your theories of human evolution are totally biased and your scientific claims you ascend to the head.

See the wonders of my creation, analyze perfection in my creatures, and if you have a little logic, pure and simple, you can not doubt that only God could create such a wonder.
Open your heart, My children, because it is hard as stone. Do My Creation suffer more from your experiences that lead nowhere except to increase your thirst for power and your pride, which will extend beyond the earth. What is probing the entire space if you do not know the mysteries and wonders that God has placed in your heart!

What you conduct all your research if it is to destroy God's work! Whetted your curiosity led you to listen to the voices of deceptive snake is more at work than ever and who has bitten once again, the forbidden fruit, that of false consciousness.

Open your eyes, my children, and understand that life without God is a life lost, a life doomed to failure, a life in darkness and promised to eternal suffering. It is time and more than double time to open our eyes and find the right direction.

Look no further than ever to experience the why and the how of things, but seek to know Me and love Me and you will discover the real science, only science, that which comes from God, that which is eternally.

Know that all of you who, by your false knowledge, have hijacked my children the right way, you are greatly responsible for that and also you will be harshly judged and punished if you do not change lanes, if you do not convert if you not implore Pardon My Redeemer. All the crimes you have committed or you are the origin or cause, all these crimes are included in "letters", unalterable, your soul, and from this also, he will report to the Court of God.

I speak especially to you, Medecins du Monde, which you have received from God the wondrous mission to heal, soothe and heal the ills and diseases of your neighbor. It is a noble mission for which it meets the requirements of God, either: I'Amour the neighbor and respect for life. But how do you transgress that My commandments and mercilessly slay the innocent in the womb their mother, you go well aware that you are serious criminals?

Tremble, tremble with fear, because if you do not repent and do not change lanes, the wrath of God will soon fall upon all of you and your company wrong, and you can not nothing but bitterly regret your crimes.

That this message allows you to open your eyes and your heart and leaves you more indifferent to human suffering. Remember that your Father loves you, that Jesus Christ loves you and is waiting impatiently for you to come to Him to forgive you because He is all mercy as I am the source of all mercy.

My children, answer the call of Your Father and repent before the expiry of the inevitable punishment.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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And you don't think its a little dumb to believe in evolution while they have never been able to piece together missing pieces to prove it huh?


Even if that's true, (which it isn't), it doesn't follow that it's smart to believe in creation instead.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by bottleslingguy

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
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there are neck muscles and mandibular muscles for chewing that attach to the cranium and don't forget the facial muscles
www.google.com...:en-US
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the morphology is symmetrical and there are no diseases that result in symmetrical formation of bone. The symmetrical thinness of the bone is also indicative that the skull is supposed to look that way and it looks like a common gray alien



Actually, if you don't treat hydrocephalus, the bone distortions don't have to be symmetrical. But hey, let's just ignore this and claim there's no disease who diforms bones in asymmetrical ways


I'm amazed at how gullible some people are. Aren't facts and objective evidence important anymore???
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not sure what you were trying to say but here's a quote from the SC site:

In 2004 the Starchild Skull was examined by respected craniofacial surgeon Dr. Ted Robinson, in consultation with ten other specialists with the goal of identifying a medical condition that could explain the skull[10]. In their discussion on Hydrocephaly, Dr David Hodges, a radiologist, confirmed that the suture lines were open and growing at the time of death, and could find no evidence of widening or other abnormality of the cranial sutures[11]. Dr. Bachynsky, also a radiologist, found no signs of erosion on the internal surfaces of the skull, ruling out fluid between the brain and skull, and supported Dr. Robinson's conclusion that the Starchild was not Hydrocephalic [12].

X-Rays of the Starchild Skull compared to that of a Hydrocephalic (below) clearly show that, while the Starchild Skull has an unusual shape, it lacks the "inflated" appearance caused by internal pressure forcing the cranium of a Hydrocephalic to expand in all directions like a balloon. Some observers have argued that the Starchild Skull does look "inflated," but cradleboarding or positional flattening of the occipital (the bone at the rear of the skull) caused it to have a different shape than a typical Hydrocephalic. However, in concert with his colleagues Dr. Robinson concluded that the shape of the skull was natural, and not caused by artificial shaping stating:

"Lacking even a hint of evidence of shaping, and of any unnatural or premature fusing of any sutures, it is entirely safe to say that the extreme flattening of the skull was caused by its natural growth pattern and is not artificial."

www.starchildproject.com...


I looked up Robinson and can't find him listed as a surgeon anywhere other than at sites that are discussing the Starchild. If he has a practice somewhere, I can't find it. Would someone care to narrow that search down a little?

Why do you not address Novella's findings that the child is human and suffered from congenital hydrocephalus?
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posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Even if that's true, (which it isn't), it doesn't follow that it's smart to believe in creation instead.
exactly.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by bottleslingguy
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the "hard evidence" IS THE SKULL. the features on the skull the features in the skull. The intercranial ridges don't support a human brain. A serious forensic study needs to be done of this and do things like make a 3d model of the brain based on the surface inside the skull. That would give an idea what the brain looked like. You could do a laser scan and make a virtual model with an intact brain and all muscle attachment points that could be determined with what remains plus make a more lifelike neck. That should give us a better idea what it looked like. The model made on UFOHunters wasn't even close with the face and neck. I think the one in my video is the best so far and Lloyd likes it too.


Where is the rest of the skeleton?



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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Even if that's true, (which it isn't), it doesn't follow that it's smart to believe in creation instead.
exactly.


So what are you saying? That you take the agnostic view? Because your posts have made it clear that you don't.



posted on Dec, 19 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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So far I have been unable to find any evidence that Robinson is even a doctor. Throw in the fact that he claims to be a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons despite the fact that the Royal College of Surgeons has no record of this and must question to legitimacy of "Dr." Robinson.




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