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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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Only using 10% of our brain, or at least 10% of it’s capability, means we are missing 90% of it’s function.


I'm going to leave this thread alone for a while as it's clear no progress is going to be made. I will however comment on this. This claim is a complete fabrication made by pop psychologists looking to sell books. If one actually looks at the fMRIs from even an at rest brain it's very clear that most of our brain is active at all times. Unfortunately the New Agers also jumped on this claim so now we have twice as many sources claiming it as truth despite it having no basis in science whatsoever.




posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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Nonsensical.
Not at all, it makes complete sense.




There is life on Earth that will die if exposed to air and oxygen in particular. They're called anaerobic.
Which is fine, but I would venture to say they are just a tad out of there element. Earth is filled with air, and well if don't like air your on the wrong planet. It's possible things that are anaerobic are actually not from earth. In other words they could have been brough here.




Microbes are essential to our well-being. That means we adapted and evolved with them.
Dont dismiss fitting in just because some things work. Remember that all life as we know it is made up of the same protiens and amino acids. It's hard to explain but what I would look for is when there aren't things that dont work. Thats a clue that something is wrong.




No, we're not. We're part of the biosphere of this planet. We belong here.
No we do not belong on earth. I know you might feel differently but your wrong. Just because we breath air, and drink water does not mean this is our home. We can't even drink the water unless we process it. Get a clue, there is nothing here on earth that says you belong here, and I challange you on ANY example you could possibly send back about this.




No, it doesn't. It attacks all primates.
Our DNA is very close so this isn't to hard to understand.
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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That's not the only reason. The water was really dirty and they needed another source of fluids. As recently as the 19th century, people drank milk, wine, and ale because they couldn't drink the water.


See now look at where your going with this. Here we are on whats suppose to be our home planet and we don't even have water to drink. It doesn't matter what the reason is either, drought, disease, contamination.

Look at it like this, whoever or what ever made us and the planets would be just as smart to make sure that we have what we need to at least survive. Water is vital people. When we don't even have the things we need to survive, its a real dose of reality to whats going on. We aren't from here.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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I'm going to leave this thread alone for a while as it's clear no progress is going to be made. I will however comment on this. This claim is a complete fabrication made by pop psychologists looking to sell books. If one actually looks at the fMRIs from even an at rest brain it's very clear that most of our brain is active at all times. Unfortunately the New Agers also jumped on this claim so now we have twice as many sources claiming it as truth despite it having no basis in science whatsoever.


I'm going to give you one more analogy, even though I know you hate them, this one is important.

People have argued the 10% rule forever, but there is one slight thing your overlooking.
If I was to say to you that humans for the first time, have made a car, and from everything we know, cars can reach speeds no greater than 60 MPH. Lets say at some point in the future a car was witnessed going 250 MPH. Now we don't know how, we don't understand it, but one thing we can agree on, is that it's possible for cars to go 250 MPH.

Its the same thing with our brains. Have you ever seen the movie rain man? It's called a Sevant. They have abilitys to go way above and beyond specific thinking process. What I'm telling you is its a proven fact that the brain can think in ways that we would normally not understand.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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That's not the only reason. The water was really dirty and they needed another source of fluids. As recently as the 19th century, people drank milk, wine, and ale because they couldn't drink the water.


See now look at where your going with this. Here we are on whats suppose to be our home planet and we don't even have water to drink. It doesn't matter what the reason is either, drought, disease, contamination.

Look at it like this, whoever or what ever made us and the planets would be just as smart to make sure that we have what we need to at least survive. Water is vital people. When we don't even have the things we need to survive, its a real dose of reality to whats going on. We aren't from here.


It doesn't matter the reason if you need to believe in something foolish in order escape something else in your life but it doesn't change the fact that the water was dirty because we made it so and not because we don't belong on earth.

We're meant to live in clans and not super tribes and water supply and hygene were always a problem until the advent of the pumping station.

People also coverd themselves in perfumes a few hundred tears ago to block out the smell of open sewerage in the streets but it doesn't mean that an unatural man made smell shows that we come from another planet.

Going on your statement it would mean that we had inherited a complete lack of understanding of hygene from from our alien creators which would mean that they can span a galaxy but have no concept of the germ.

This belief you people need to have has more holes in it than a mining town.
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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There is a reason savantism is considered a disorder. While a person will have an extreme level of specialization in one area they also suffer deficiencies in most other areas. 50% or all savants are autistic, of the other 50% most have some form of mental illness or psychological disorder. If we were only using 10% of our brain then 90% of it could be lesioned with no consequences. However, we know this not to be true. Even removing a tiny portion of the brain can cause catastrophic problems. I suggest you read my thread on psychological myths that we often hear repeated but are not actually true.

Psychology Myths



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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You are correct, a car is not a bicycle. But they both do have tires, which suggests that they may have a common ancestor.
You guys this is clearly a case of me seeing the glass half empty and you seeing it half full.

What it boils down to is the fact that we could be related by design. If a creator used recycled parts to build all life as we know it, this could explain why we are all made up of the same DNA.

Understanding this, you realize more that its not so odd that our DNA is very simular to primates.
Your looking at this like we must be related because the DNA is close, and I'm looking at it like we are all close because we are made up of the same DNA. Neither proves or disproves creation or evolution.

Both are way to complicated which leads me to believe there is something else going on that we just don't have a clue on yet.

Yes bicycles and cars both have tires but those tires are VERY different, and whos to say they werent even made by differnt creators?




All life on earth does share DNA but the start point is something like

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000001

And then it starts to diverge. But all that means is that all life started from amino acids and formed into a single cell in some long gone sea then the family broke apart. But that was billions of years ago way back when the first life forms started to evolve on earth. And now we're here at the,at least for now, apex of our evolution.
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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A major indicator that we weren't supposed to live past 40 or so is menopause. No other species outlives their ability to procreate and originally humans didn't either. It is only with the advent of medical technology and the increase in life span that this has become a common occurrence.


Also alot of the ailments we see today such as dementia,arthritis (exept in the case of an old injury or a gene gone wrong) and other illnesess wouldn't have been common way back when because we are now living past, form a survival in the wild perspective, our used by date

Id say that menopause was natures way of making sure that a person, age wise, who might find it hard looking after themselves weren't burdoned with looking after an infant for the sake of the infant as it wouldn't be productive to the species.

However you do know your stuff and a star for you.


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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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I'm not sure what link your talking about. Give it to me and I'll look at it.


This one. It has some answers for you

www.lpzoosites.org...



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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It doesn't matter the reason if you need to believe in something foolish in order escape something else in your life but it doesn't change the fact that the water was dirty because we made it so and not because we don't belong on earth.
Your not understanding the nature of what I'm trying to get across. It's not an issue of we did it so deal with it, its an issue of us being out of our element. In other words it wouldn't be a problem on our home planet.




We're meant to live in clans and not super tribes and water supply and hygene were always a problem until the advent of the pumping station.


Thats just a form of adaptation which is just another clue that we aren't from here.




People also coverd themselves in perfumes a few hundred tears ago to block out the smell of open sewerage in the streets but it doesn't mean that an unatural man made smell shows that we come from another planet.


True but it simply wouldn't be a problem on our home planet.




Going on your statement it would mean that we had inherited a complete lack of understanding of hygene from from our alien creators which would mean that they can span a galaxy but have no concept of the germ.
Your not understanding, we are out of our element, so WE are the germ.




This belief you people need to have has more holes in it than a mining town.
I'm not sure what your talking about.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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There is a reason savantism is considered a disorder. While a person will have an extreme level of specialization in one area they also suffer deficiencies in most other areas. 50% or all savants are autistic, of the other 50% most have some form of mental illness or psychological disorder. If we were only using 10% of our brain then 90% of it could be lesioned with no consequences. However, we know this not to be true. Even removing a tiny portion of the brain can cause catastrophic problems. I suggest you read my thread on psychological myths that we often hear repeated but are not actually true.


This would be because your looking at it from the percentage of area, I'm looking at it from performance or capacity.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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All life on earth does share DNA but the start point is something like

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000001

And then it starts to diverge. But all that means is that all life started from amino acids and formed into a single cell in some long gone sea then the family broke apart. But that was billions of years ago way back when the first life forms started to evolve on earth. And now we're here at the,at least for now, apex of our evolution.
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Well if evolution is real, it has left us now, leaving behind no trace, and leaving behind no interspecies out of 5 million evolving.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Also alot of the ailments we see today such as dementia,arthritis (expept in the case of an old injury or a gene gone wrong) and other illnesess wouldn't have been common way back when because we are now living past, form a survival in the wild perspective, our used by date

Id say that menopause was natures way of making sure that a person, age wise, who might find it hard looking after themsleves weren't burdoned with looking after an infant for the sake of the infant as it wouldn't be productive to the species.

However you do know your stuff and a star for you.
Well mother nature didn't start pushing against us immediatly. It took time, and the longer we have been on this planet, and infected it with our ways, has created new ways for her to reject us. And this will do nothing but continue to get worse as time goes on.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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This one. It has some answers for you

www.lpzoosites.org...


It's a lot to read, was there a specific part that interested you?



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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All life on earth does share DNA but the start point is something like

.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000001

And then it starts to diverge. But all that means is that all life started from amino acids and formed into a single cell in some long gone sea then the family broke apart. But that was billions of years ago way back when the first life forms started to evolve on earth. And now we're here at the,at least for now, apex of our evolution.
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Well if evolution is real, it has left us now, leaving behind no trace, and leaving behind no interspecies out of 5 million evolving.


Incorrect. There's evidence that our brain case started shifting about 500 years ago and then boom Industrial revolution about 300 years ago. We got smarter.
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Incorrect.


Well I have looked high and low for evolution and the closest thing I can find is microevolution. At best microevolution looks to be more about allowable differences within a species. We have NEVER found, or witnessed a species changing into another species.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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Also alot of the ailments we see today such as dementia,arthritis (expept in the case of an old injury or a gene gone wrong) and other illnesess wouldn't have been common way back when because we are now living past, form a survival in the wild perspective, our used by date

Id say that menopause was natures way of making sure that a person, age wise, who might find it hard looking after themsleves weren't burdoned with looking after an infant for the sake of the infant as it wouldn't be productive to the species.

However you do know your stuff and a star for you.
Well mother nature didn't start pushing against us immediatly. It took time, and the longer we have been on this planet, and infected it with our ways, has created new ways for her to reject us. And this will do nothing but continue to get worse as time goes on.


No we're just living longer than we used to and at some point evolution will fix the ailments that we suffer as a result of living longer.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
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Incorrect.


Well I have looked high and low for evolution and the closest thing I can find is microevolution. At best microevolution looks to be more about allowable differences within a species. We have NEVER found, or witnessed a species changing into another species.


That's because you want to see it happen right now but you can't. Stand at the bottom of a mountian and at some point you'll see a stone fall to the ground. Just a stone. That is in fact the mountain crumbling in front of you. It won't complete for millions of years after you're gone but be sure it's happening right in front of you. Just like evolution.
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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No we're just living longer than we used to and at some point evolution will fix the ailments that we suffer as a result of living longer.
Well we might be living longer than a specific period but even in the bible is says we used to live 1000 years so no, we aren't living as long as we used to. But that was only because of a punishment that god set on us, Living on the wrong planet could also impact us as well. Come to think of it the time frame could be totally different as well.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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That's because you want to see it happen right now but you can't. Stand at the bottom of a mountian and at some point you'll see a stone fall to the ground. Just a stone. That is in fact the mountain crumbling in front of you. It won't complete for millions of years after you're gone but be sure it's happening right in front of you. Just like evolution


Just because there is change, does not prove or dissprove evolution.




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