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reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 06:49 AM by The X

I read some time ago the largest of the underground cities is 48 CUBIC miles in size and has affected the structural integrity of the CONUS.
you could test fly aircraft in something that big, apparently they used nuclear cavity excavation in the first instance in the early 50's and have been adding ever since.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 06:52 AM by Beamish

reply to post by NeoVain

Youjr math has a glaring flaw.

As we are dealing with unproven events with absolutely no corroborative evidence – circumstantial or otherwise – it is perfectly legitimate to speculate – based on logical foundations – that my math is just as acceptable as the initial premise.

There are no specifics here, don’t forget.

And I find your continued insistence that my math has a glaring flaw amusing when your logic is so undermined it’s in danger of complete collapse.

Examples?

You assume that the friends and family are not included in the 60,000 people.

No, that’s wrong. What I said was that 60, 000 people will – somewhere down the line – have relatives etc, who will miss them after even the most rudimentary lines of communication is broken.

Their whole community and all the people they know is included in these 60,000 people, basically.

That is an assumption on your part.

It’s all to easy to be a verifier for something you believe in, even if it feels slightly uncomfortable to do so, especially when you have nothing to backup your opinion.

So, saying that, show me where your premise is founded in reality.

Also from your posts i can determine you are very close minded and afraid of the potentially "too incredible to believe" truths.

What twaddle.

You haven’t been on ATS long enough to know what I believe.

Once again, you are just assuming you know the truth.

I will reiterate what I have already said in this thread; I might be wrong.

Do you believe you could be wrong?

And thus i wonder, what are you doing on this site?

The last time I looked, the ethical slant of ATS is to deny ignorance.

If you want to swallow everything you are spoon fed without chewing, that’s fine by me. Just don’t expect everyone to do the same.

We are all allowed an opinion, especially here.

And as to what I’m doing on this site?

I’m watching you.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 08:08 AM by NeoVain

reply to post by Beamish

I am neither saying this story is true or false, THAT is denying ignorance, since neither you nor i can know if it is true.

I am simply pointing out that your attempts to "debunk" or "stating this as implausible" are based on assumptions derived from a close minded mindset that even then have several logical flaws in them, which i point out by making equal assumptions from another just as plausible viewpoint, based on the current facts.

Denying ignorance is not defined by denying information, but on seeking the truth, and if you come to a dead end in your search for knowledge(which your assumption inevitably leads too), that is obviously the wrong way, if your goal is to get to the bottom of the matter, rather than to move on with an assumption of the actual facts fabricated in your own mind.

Denying ignorance is what i do, do you?

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 08:19 AM by Strype

Interesting. The same guy who says the government is "SO compartmentalized," that it's the ONLY possible way the government has kept UFOs and alien technology a secret for the past 60 years...

Goes on to claim that EVERYONE he knows (with one exception) confirmed that our own government is nuking it's own underground bases.

Pffft.. Where were the compartments on that project?

Cheers,
Strype

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 08:44 AM by RisenAngel77

hmm...I wonder if this has anything to do with the rumbling sounds around the world. Kinda makes you wonder. for some reason I believe them when they say there are underground cities. whether they were attacked by a nuke or not, whether it trigger the EQ or not. I still remain a skeptic for one reason. A blast like that would have caved in the surface and millions of people would have noticed it by now.

But my mind is open.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:00 AM by NeoVain

Originally posted by RisenAngel77
hmm...I wonder if this has anything to do with the rumbling sounds around the world. Kinda makes you wonder. for some reason I believe them when they say there are underground cities. whether they were attacked by a nuke or not, whether it trigger the EQ or not. I still remain a skeptic for one reason. A blast like that would have caved in the surface and millions of people would have noticed it by now.

But my mind is open.

Those rumbling sounds could certainly be explained by such an explosion, if it was a nuke. However, there are probably other explanations that would fit there as well (such as the opening of a vent and a large inflow/outflow of air being made as explained somewhere else).

If it was a nuclear bomb, it may or may not have caved in the surface, it would certainly cause an earthquake though. Which has been observed at the time as stated. However, if it was a neutron bomb, as was mentioned, it certainly would not have caved in any surface, as it only kills the inhabitants with radiation, that theory however, i am not sure fits with the observed quakes. Not sure neutron bombs would cause a quake like that.

Still need more evidence here.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:03 AM by ViP3r

Originally posted by RisenAngel77
hmm...I wonder if this has anything to do with the rumbling sounds around the world. Kinda makes you wonder. for some reason I believe them when they say there are underground cities. whether they were attacked by a nuke or not, whether it trigger the EQ or not. I still remain a skeptic for one reason. A blast like that would have caved in the surface and millions of people would have noticed it by now.

But my mind is open.

Not really , the Elites might of used a different kind of bomb, like a Neutron, to make room for the people that have already reserved a spot with them. They probably used just the right amount of radiation and energy to finish the job while venting the holes ,catching the radiation and cleaning up .I'm sure it's not hard to plan .

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:17 AM by Armour For Victor

I wonder if Operation Mountain Guardian is an effect of the so called explosions in these bases.
blogs.douglas.co.us...
Maybe it could be true.

Peace

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:29 AM by Benchkey

This seems unlikely. The US Craton, which is the unsubducted fault that is horseshoe shaped and runs from Canada's west coast down to Texas, across the south, then heads back to the east cost of Canada has been experiencing an uptick in seismic activity for several months. Literally hundreds of smaller quakes have hit the region. Saying those two larger quakes were products of a nuke explosion rather than the natural quakes is hard to swallow.

In fact the entire earth is seeing a sizable uptick in seismic activity in the 'ring of fire' as well

The second question is, have the people living near either of these two areas seen a decrease in truck deliveries? If each holds 30,000 people, that would mean at least 100 trucks a day delivering food, not to mention other supplies, at each location.

Third question, is there a noticeable increase in reported missing persons or deaths. This could not be kept quiet for very long. Would be almost impossible to believe that all 60,000 people had no families.

Just seems too far out for me.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:30 AM by Beamish

reply to post by NeoVain

I am neither saying this story is true or false, THAT is denying ignorance, since neither you nor i can know if it is true.

I have already said that I could be wrong. And yes, neither you nor I know if it’s realor not.

I am simply pointing out that your attempts to "debunk" or "stating this as implausible" are based on assumptions derived from a close minded mindset…

“Debunk”?

“Closed mind set”?

Interesting use of language. Clearly you do not know me.

My stance on this thread is based on my opinion, which I am willing to change if convincing –and verifiable - evidence arises. Your use of those phrases suggests that you would be unwilling to change your mind. In my opinion.

…that even then have several logical flaws in them…

And the original story doesn’t, then?

My opinion is based on a logical approach to this supposed mass death, and the potential fall-out among the relatives.

…which i point out by making equal assumptions from another just as plausible viewpoint, based on the current facts.

What facts?

Where are the facts?

As far as I’m aware (and please correct me if I’m wrong here), but this is just a story tied in neatly with other stories, and an as yet unidentified sound phenomenon.

Some would call that “joining the dots”.

In my opinion, it is creating a narrative.

Denying ignorance is not defined by denying information…

“Information”?

What quantifies information?

Science fiction novels contain information, but should we believe the contents of those books to be the truth?

Yes, they may contain real science, but it is presented in a fictional manner.

See my point above about Wilcocks creating a real-life, real-time narrative based on unproven concepts.

Some people will believe it because – to them - it sounds plausible, others will not because - to them - it does not.

…but on seeking the truth, and if you come to a dead end in your search for knowledge(which your assumption inevitably leads too)…

Why is it a dead end? I’m not entirely dismissing the concept of a clandestine war, just a story that reads badly, has flaws, and is – of course – completely unverifiable.

…that is obviously the wrong way…

Oh, really? Well, forgive me if I disagree. I reiterate the matter of swallowing without chewing…

…if your goal is to get to the bottom of the matter, rather than to move on with an assumption of the actual facts fabricated in your own mind.

“Actual facts”. There’s the interesting use of language again…

Denying ignorance is what i do, do you?

I’ll ignore the veiled insult there. This time.

What you’ve done on this thread so far is attempt to disallow me my opinion, whilst supporting the OP, and Fulford, completely.

Believe what you want. I’m not denying you your opinion.

Nor will you deny me mine.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:37 AM by HUMBLEONE

Originally posted by Armour For Victor
I wonder if Operation Mountain Guardian is an effect of the so called explosions in these bases.
blogs.douglas.co.us...
Maybe it could be true.

Peace

Great question! Another coincidence? There are no such thing as coincidences IMHO.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:39 AM by ViP3r

Originally posted by Benchkey
This seems unlikely. The US Craton, which is the unsubducted fault that is horseshoe shaped and runs from Canada's west coast down to Texas, across the south, then heads back to the east cost of Canada has been experiencing an uptick in seismic activity for several months. Literally hundreds of smaller quakes have hit the region. Saying those two larger quakes were products of a nuke explosion rather than the natural quakes is hard to swallow.

In fact the entire earth is seeing a sizable uptick in seismic activity in the 'ring of fire' as well

The second question is, have the people living near either of these two areas seen a decrease in truck deliveries? If each holds 30,000 people, that would mean at least 100 trucks a day delivering food, not to mention other supplies, at each location.

Third question, is there a noticeable increase in reported missing persons or deaths. This could not be kept quiet for very long. Would be almost impossible to believe that all 60,000 people had no families.

Just seems too far out for me.

As another and i said in my previous post ,What if ? What if those people don't have families on the outside ? Cloning has been going on for a long time . These people might not know of any other way in life except to live in the tunnel.They might be some sort of robotic made human that does what there told .If this did happen then the TPTB doesn't want them there any longer and need room .

edit on 22-9-2011 by ViP3r because: error

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:43 AM by Jobeycool

I wan't to know how these people who make these youtube videos sound dead serious that all of this is real.Best actors in the world.Or down right major frightening crazy in the head.Because you can tell they totaly 100% believe what they are saying.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:43 AM by 35Foxtrot

Originally posted by Beamish
60, 000 people killed...

Ok. Let's do a little speculative math, shall we?

Perhaps 45,000 of them have two siblings................................90, 000
Perhaps they all have one living parent.....................................60, 000
Perhaps they all have at least two aunts/uncles......................120, 000
Perhaps half of them are married.............................................30, 000
Perhaps half of them have at least two chldren..........................60, 000
Perhaps they all have at least four friends................................240, 000

Potentially six hundred thousand family etc. out there missing these people and there is no massive public outcry?

Oh, please...

While I agree that this is nothing more than a fun story, the people chosen to serve in this type of environment would be specifically chosen to minimize the things you list along with a few others.

I mean they'd definitely all be unmarried with no children. Then you'd work backwards with the more difficult to place items so you get a staff with as few as possible connections to the outside. You'd always have to fill some specialties that would necessitate you bending the "no outside contact" reqs, but for the most part you could man a site with a crew such that you minimize the problems you bring up.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 09:52 AM by biiru

Originally posted by Cyprex
reply to post by ignant

I found this, about 2 nukes going off underground.

www.whatdoesitmean.com...

Russia Reports Nuclear Explosions Hit Vast US Military Tunnel Network

A frightening foreign military intelligence directorate (GRU) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that over the past nearly 36 hours the vast intercontinental military tunnel complex constructed by the United States Air force over the past nearly 45 years was hit with two powerful nuclear explosions at its main terminuses in Colorado and Virginia used nearly exclusively by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). According to this report, this unprecedented nuclear attack began on the evening of 22 August when one of the main air pressure relief tunnels for this CIA tunnel, located at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa Florida, was forced open allowing millions of cubic feet of air to rush suddenly into the atmosphere. The unique sound of this event was captured by video [1st video left] during a baseball game being played at Tropicana Field near MacDill, though US officials blamed the “mystery noise” on a faulty sound system.

I must be the only ATS member that lives in the Tampa Bay area because no one has addressed this.

I live in St. Petersburg, FL. I worked at MacDill AFB for nine years as both Active Duty Air Force and as a Civilian Contractor. I was involved with installation of base commuincations and as such pretty much accessed any and all areas of the base. MacDill sits on a densely populated penisula in south Tampa. Compared to many other bases across the U.S. it is not that large. The base is approximately 9-10 miles from Tropicana Field, (a domed stadium) across Tampa Bay. Also, MacDill is subject to numerous civilian overflights daily into Tampa International. I can't for the life of me imagine:

1) Where this pressure relief tunnel would be that can't be seen from the sky
2) Why the release of "millions of tons" of air wouldn't be witnessed or commented on by 1000s of individuals living directly adjacent to the base versus some folks inside a domed stadium 10 miles away
3) Why local Tampa news stations didn't have any news to report on MacDill AFB that day.

A little research would have revealed some of this.

An by the way, I was home that week and didn't hear anything.

Have a nice day.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 10:05 AM by Helmkat

It all sounds like some "Gamma world" RPG scenario. A secret war beneath the Earth waged by the "White Hats" vs the Elites. 60,000 dead! All the while the rest of the world watches Lindsay Lohan!

If that is true well then those Elites don't sound very Elite to me.

But then again all I will say is "Wilcox".

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 10:05 AM by Myendica

Come on people. Theres no reason we need to speculate. Either people on ats who are around these location, go and do some investigating, and find evidence, or lets just drop these in hoax. Its in the U.S., how hard is it really, to check this out and confirm or deny? Seriously? If I have to drive to VA and do it myself, so be it.. But seriously, someone, anyone, just look around. This isnt something that can just be covered up. Seriously.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 10:23 AM by Beamish

reply to post by 35Foxtrot

Thank you for your response.

I deduce from your post, and other little clues, you actually know what you’re talking about.

While I agree that this is nothing more than a fun story…

I agree.

Perhaps I shouldn’t get such a bee in my bonnet about it…

…the people chosen to serve in this type of environment would be specifically chosen to minimize the things you list along with a few others.

Even if we remove all married personnel, that still leaves the problem of siblings, parents etc.

As you then point out, job-specific personnel would have to be outsourced, but just how many specialists would qualify for this operation?

Wouldn’t the employment criteria – orphaned, unmarried - raise some eyebrows amongst that skill set?

And even though friends of these potential personnel would understand the necessity for some secret squirrel behaviour on their friends’ part, I imagine that they would, after a given amount of time and lack of communication, begin wondering just what happened to their mates.

I fully understand that it is possible for large civilian and military installations to succeed in keeping their workforce quiet – Groom Lake, for example, flying in hundreds of staff each day and not a peep to the media about what they do from their families – but 60, 000 people, to me, is just a ridiculous number to lose in one fell swoop without any emotional fall out.

Even if we reduce my (speculative) calculations to ten percent of the original, that’s still 60, 000 potential voices asking where their buddies went.

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 10:26 AM by Beamish

reply to post by biiru

Thank you for your input.

It was sorely needed.

Of course, you won't be believed...

reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 10:34 AM by biiru

reply to post by Beamish

Thanks Beamish,

All my comments are true. Believe it or not I know a lot of military, former military followers on ATS. I don't comment much mostly because, while I find conspiracy theories interesting, I don't give much credit to most of them. (I did say most...)

Biiru