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The vedic civilization and evolution of society in India

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:27 AM
Bharat and building Viman

A keen reader will ask that if Bharat was so good in understanding Veda, why it did not build any Viman?

Mahabharat does not mention any Viman being used in battle. It implies that Bharat did not have advanced technology that ET possessed.

It is true that Viman were not used in Mahabharat war. Even mechanised cars were not used, only chariots driven by horses. So the technology sounds primitive.

But of course this logic is flawed. The Vedic society had everything it needed. It had plenty of food and clean water. It had thriving trade and industry that provided all objects needed for living life as per Veda. People were happy and contented.

The Mahabharat war was an exception. Bharat was a nation FREE of warfare. People did not spend much time and resources on building weapons. The focus was on building virtue and to get closer to God.

People of Bharat did not feel a NEED to go to foreign countries. While people of foreign countries felt a NEED to come to Bharat. In a way Bharat became inward looking, and this can be considered one of the reasons of downfall of this mighty civilization.

If our Kings desired to build a Viman, such knowledge was available with our Rishis.

And this topic brings us to the Ramayan - 18 million years ago, when Aryavrata (the nation of Arya) did have Viman. Even Kishkindha had Viman. And Viman were used in the war with Lanka

When Hanuman went to Himalaya in search of the herb 'Sanjeevani', it was in a Viman.

Hanuman did not bring the entire mountain top to Lanka. He brought just the herb. Ramayan is a very old book, and some stories have been added to it later. It is hard to find who added the stories, but 18 million years is a very long time.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:38 AM
Ramayan – the bridge to Lanka

The topic of Vedic science cannot be complete without mentioning the Nal setu (Nal bridge) built to cross sea channel between Aryavrata and Lanka.

The Vanar army was large and Ravann knew about the army marching on Lanka. Crossing by boat was dangerous as Ravann had means to sink the boats. The best way was to build an assault bridge.

Vanars had two expert military engineers called Nal and Neel. They were experts in building bridges. As the channel was deep, they decided to build a floating bridge. The bridge was built from timber and stones.

The myth of floating stones is false.

The bridge was made with timber roadway sections – long tree trunks with cross sections made of timber tied together with ropes. The timber roadway section was tied to a large stone sunk into the channel to hold the section in place. The timber section floated due to its natural buoyancy. The bridge was wide enough for six men abreast.

It was a temporary bridge, made only for crossing the channel. In fact Ravann’s soldiers sabotaged the bridge during the war, so that it was not available for return journey. Rama could not have made another bridge, as Vanar soldiers were almost all dead in the war. This is the reason Vibhishan offered Pushpak Viman to Rama for the return jouney.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:48 AM
Myth vs. reality

The story of floating bridge to Lanka is correct. The type of construction used is incorrect.

And this is the perfect example of the storyteller's lack of understanding of bridges.

The original author of Ramayan (Valmiki Rishi) did not write about how the bridge was made. Rishi's writing is always concise, as Rishi does not want to waste reader's time with un-necessary detail.

Somebody (unknown author) added the detail of the bridge later, leading to the myth of floating stones. This myth is so strong now, that I cannot even discuss this subject in India, lest I be considered a heretic.

edit on 6-10-2011 by vedatruth because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:42 AM
Worshipping monkey god Hanuman

Hanuman was a learned man, a man of exceptional physical strength, and a Yogi.

But he was a 'vanar', a human, not a monkey.

He did not 'fly' to Lanka to find Seeta. He flew in a Viman.

It was difficult to find Seeta even with a Viman as Rakshas were very secretive people. Lanka was an island and very well defended, Outsiders had little knowledge of Lanka.

Many qualities of Hanuman described in Ramayan are qualities of a Yogic master - like making body small, or large, or strong like a body made of solid steel.

So no doubt Hanuman holds great inspiration for man.

While Hanuman is a person worth admiring, and worth following, it is against Veda to worship an ancestor or a human god.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:53 AM
Shiv Purann

Shiv Purann is a work of fiction just like Bhagvat Purann.

Purann is a genre of historical books. Unfortunately some unscrupulous people have written fictitious books in this genre to pass them off as real history.

It is Bharat's misfortune that most people are unable to discern fact from fiction. Swami Dayanand tried very hard to take people away from ignorance. He succeeded to some degree. There are a few other people who are trying now. But the pundits are proving very stubborn and their non-cooperation has so far prevented a mass movement.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:44 PM
Veda - The book of knowledge

The basis of Vedic religion is Veda. Puranns are NOT the basis of Vedic religion.

Veda is a book of knowledge, not only religion. It covers fundamental principles of all subjects needed for building a just and virtuous human society. It includes basic principles of Medicine, Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, Construction, Agriculture, Politics etc.

But God has put restrictions on who can learn and understand Veda. These restrictions are known as 'yama', and 'niyam'.

Yama - Ahinsaa, Satya, Asteya, Brahmcharya, Aparigrih
Niyam - Shauch, Santosh, Tapa, Swadhyaya, Ishwar Pranidhan

So Rishis are not able to help humans in advancement of science despite knowing the truth, as God's laws do not allow a Rishi to disclose such knowledge to a nation not adhering to 'yama' and 'niyam'.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:55 PM
reply to post by vedatruth

you described yama and niyam in indian terms. could you use english terms?

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:24 PM
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Many thanks to you
For starting this first rate thread, unfortunately I am neither clever, or insightful enough to add anything. As a lover of all things culturly indian your thread is enthralling. Way back in antiquity the Celts colonised the British Isles, and were in primacy until the arrival of The Romans (circa 50 A.D.). Many in the seventeen hundreds saw the partnership of India, and Great Britain as a reuniting of a single race. The Celtic influence is still evident in these islands today, and I have often personally mused (semi seriously) on the accentual similarities; Welsh in particular.

Kind regards
From a grateful, book burning, English, imperialist, insomniac.

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 12:00 AM
Vedic Medicine System

Vedic medicine system is based on the principle of "Ahinsaa". Animal parts and blood etc. are not used in Vedic medicine.

A plant's stem/roots are used only after the plant has died. A prime example is 'giloy' which is dried stem of a creeper. It is harvested only after plant has matured and dried naturally.

Other ingredients of medicines are leaves and fruits. Please note that leaves and fruits of plants/trees can be taken, as it does not kill or even hurt a plant/tree.

'Bhasm' is an important part of vedic medicine. Bhasm is prepared in the following ways:

Typically a root is dried and powdered and mixed with ash (left over from burning cow-dung cakes). The root is the active ingredient, whileas the ash provides minerals needed by the body, like calcium, magnesium, iron etc.
Bhasm is mixed with honey before it is given to the patient. Bhasm are used for deficiency in body – like physical weakness.

'Sattv' is another way of preparing medicine. It is prepared by boiling crushed herbs (leaves, fruits, stems, and roots) in water, and then straining the liquid from the solid with the help of a clean cotton cloth. The liquid medicine (sattv) is stored in glazed earthenware pots with tight lids (pots with fluted neck, and a tight lid), or in clear glass bottles in a cool shaded place. Sattv is the most common type of medicine used for a variety of ailments.

'Lep' (balm) is prepared by mixing herbal extracts (typically herb oils) with wax (mostly honeybee wax). These are used for skin infections.

‘Prash’ is a mix of crushed herbs, cooked in ghee. Ghee is used as a preservative. These are usually tonics, used for general health benefits. ‘Prash’ is stored in glazed earthenware in a cool shaded place.

‘Tel’ is herb extracts (herb oils) mixed with either mustard oil, or til oil. These are used for curing rheumatism.

‘Churna’ is a mixture of powdered herbs and salt. It is taken either with warm water or milk. Churn is used for stomach disorder, fever, and many other ailments.

Sometimes herbs are just chewed on, like ‘brahmi’ indicated for pregnant woman.

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 12:45 AM
Laxman's unconsciousness and Sanjeevani Booti

This story is from Ramayan during the Lanka war. Laxman was unconscious (almost dead - as in a coma), after Indrajit used a weapon on Laxman, that generated electric shock. Other vanar generals were also badly hurt in the war and needed treatment.

Jambwan instructed Hanuman to bring herbs from Himalayas from a place near 'Kailas' mountain (now in Tibet).

Hanuman went there during night time in a Viman. He reached the correct place but could not identify the herbs. So he plucked whatever herbs that fitted the description given by Jambwan, by pulling the herb plants with root.

He brought all such plants back to Lanka to the scene of battle.

He must be having a Viman that could travel at least mach 6 (probably mach 10), due to the considerable distance and very limited time available for this event.


It is very hard to believe existence of herbs that could have almost instantaneous effect, and could cure serious bodily injury within minutes.

Ramayan describes such herbs. Such knowledge is lost now, and such capability does not exist anymore in the Ayurved system of medicine.

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:20 AM
Can a herb cure a person in minutes?

There are many stories in Ramayan that seem magical to a modern reader.

But Vedic people did not practice magic. Such practices are forbidden in Vedic dharm.

The answer to this puzzle lies not in the herb, but in the body.

It is very hard to understand the power of Yoga, and the power of virtue. The princes of Aryavrata, and the chief warriors of Kishkindha were true Yogis. Medicine was just a catalyst, the healing occurred due to the innate power of the body.

The warriors of Mahabharat were not as capable as in Ramayan time, due to loss of purity of soul. While we still had the same education system, and a multitude of Rishis as in Ramayan, general public was not as steadfast in vedic traditions as in the time of Ramayan. My Guru says that there was no disease in the time of Ramayana. I shall cover the time of Ramayan and Aryavrata in subsequent posts.

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:58 AM
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

Thanks for asking. I shall give you a brief description.

Ahinsaa (Non-violence)

1. Eating meat/eggs is prohibited.
2. Grain is harvested after it has ripened.
3. Root, stems of only dead plants can be used for food (means when plant is fully mature).
4. Milk of cow is taken in return of protection of cows ('go-raksha'). A cow/bull cannot be killed even in old age.
4. Leaves and fruit of all plants / trees can be used as food or herb (as per properties of the plant).
5. A human or animal is killed only in punishment, an innocent should never be killed. It is prohibited to kill for pleasure.
6. A poisonous animal / carnivorous animal can be killed if it enters human habitation. However it cannot be eaten.
7. Fruit trees and firewood trees are preserved until they naturally die. They are not cut even when building a house.
8. Please note that the rules of Ahinsaa do not apply to microscopic life forms like virus, bacteria, fungus etc. and small animals like ants, spiders, bees, earthworms etc. (Vedic culture uses honey/wax taken from honeybees). You can clear the 'krimi' (insects) from your house to keep it clean. That is not against Ahinsaa.

Ahinsaa is basically respecting the rights of other 'jeev', and living in harmony with nature.

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:04 AM
Satya (Truthfulness)

Speaking truth always. If truth is unpleasant, and you do not want to say it, stay silent.

This rule is very important for purification of the gift of speech, which is necessary to be able to recite Veda mantra.

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:13 AM
Asteya (Do not steal)

1. The King fixes wages and prices of basic commodities in the Vedic system. Each person should be paid as per fixed wages. Nobody should get a work done without paying (No slavery).

2. Selling sub-standard grain for normal price etc. is stealing.

3. Even a thought of taking away somebody else property is stealing.

4. Bribery is stealing. A person should perform his duty diligently in the fixed wage.

5. Using wrong weights etc. (short measurement) is stealing.

I have given a few examples here. You can use your imagination.

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:26 AM
Brahmcharya (Celibacy)

This rule is the pillar of Vedic civilization. It basically means no sex except for procreation.

1. A student has to be celibate.

2. A Vanprasthi/Sanyasi has to be celibate. This rule is interesting for Vanprasthi as a wife can stay with her man during vanprastha. So physical relations are prohibited even when living together.

3. Prostitution is prohibited. Well prostitution did exist in Vedic society during Krsna time. It did because many people were already not following dharma. This is the reason of destruction of Yadava clan.

4. A householder should not even think of relations with anybody except his wife.There are strict rules even for relations with wife.

Each rule of Veda is called "mansa/vacha/karmna" (to be followed in thought, speech, and action).

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:41 AM
Aparigrih (Do not have physical objects more than necessity)

This rule means simple life. Desire of possessions leads to corruption. This rule means live in a modest house, have only those possessions needed as per vedic lifestyle, and donate if you get more than you need.

Daan (donation) is an important duty of Arya.

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:45 AM
Shauch (Cleanliness)

1. Taking bath everyday
2. Keeping house, street, and settlement clean
3. Wash face and feet when entering a house (from outside)

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:49 AM
Santosh (Satisfaction)

Be happy with what you have.

This rule is for social cohesion. If everybody desires to become King, it will lead to friction in the society. The Veda has a system of grooming children, and then assigning various roles to them. A young man is asked to respect the system.

posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 03:01 AM
Tapa (Actions as per dharm)

This is a big topic. It basically means engage in actions constantly as per vedic dharma.

I shall write a separate article on it.

Swadhyaya (Self study of Veda, Upnishad, Shashtra, Itihaas)

A householder is asked to spare some time everyday to increase knowledge by self study.
All people except householder spend a lot of time in self study.

Ishwar Pranidhan (Be happy with God's justice)

This rule means to never doubt justice of God. God gives results of both good and bad deeds though with a delay. It almost seems sometimes like an evil person is winning. Veda says an evil person can never win. It is only a transitory phase when evil seems to be winning. An Arya is asked to have an unshakeable faith in God, and to never stray from path of dharm.

posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 12:49 AM

“Ritam tapah satyam tapah shrutam tapah shantam tapah dama tapah shama tapah daanam tapah yagnam tapoh bhur bhavah suvah brahme tadu-paasve-tat-tapah |”

1. To accept as exists in reality (no virtual world, no dreams) is tapa
2. To speak truth is tapa
3. To listen to truth (not influenced by false praise etc.) is tapa
4. To have a peaceful nature (getting rid of anger, except when you see injustice) is tapa
5. Control of five sensory organs, five action organs, and mind is tapa
6. To focus mind in name of God is tapa
7. To donate to learned of Veda is tapa

Please note that donation is given to a person who gives knowledge. Poor is a subject of State in Vedic system. The donation is used for increasing facilities in Gurukul and to meet expenses of teachers etc., so that more children can be educated. Vedic system is based on free education, so this system requires considerable resources.

8. Attending ‘yagna’ organized by Rishi/King is tapa.
9. Praising God by chanting Veda mantras is tapa.
10. Offering havi (food) to fire with Veda mantra (‘aahuti’) is tapa.

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