The vedic civilization and evolution of society in India, page 2

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reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 08:16 AM by vedatruth

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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If you read the post i answered then it will all make sense!!

Ok. I got it.

There was no activity in this thread, so I assumed that people are not interested.

I have a lot of material on the subject, and I shall post if I see some interest.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 08:20 AM by Itisnowagain

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I have a great interest in this subject, however the way you answered me was not very encouraging.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 08:28 AM by vedatruth

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I apologize. I jumped the gun.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 08:59 AM by D1ss1dent

Originally posted by vedatruth
God is called "Satrupa" or "Sachhidanand" because God is true (means always stays the same, is never destroyed).

I guess you mean Sat Chit Ananda!

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 09:09 AM by Itisnowagain

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That's ok

Here is Rupert Spira speaking about Nama Rupa Sat Chit Ananda.
youtu.be...
His book The Transparency of Things - Contemplating the Nature of Experience, is an excellent read.

Namaste.

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reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 09:25 AM by vedatruth

Originally posted by D1ss1dent

Originally posted by vedatruth
God is called "Satrupa" or "Sachhidanand" because God is true (means always stays the same, is never destroyed).

I guess you mean Sat Chit Ananda!

Yes. Sanskrit to English transliteration is always tricky. Sanskrit has a tendency to combine words where sounds change due to combination. ('sandhi' and 'sandhi vichedh')

Thanks for pointing out.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 09:28 AM by USAisdevil

reply to post by vedatruth

the only ones in india who believe in this are sikhs,muslims and buddhists.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 09:32 AM by vedatruth

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I do not have the bandwidth. Can you please quote the most interesting part.

As I write what I post, there may be spelling mistakes sometimes. I would be very happy if you guys point them out, but please consider them un-intentional.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 09:37 AM by vedatruth

The objective of this thread was to look at practices of the vedic culture, then match it to historical and linguistic evidence to create a timeline till this culture was prominent.

Then we shall look at how sects and beliefs developed from vedic culture and why?

Next we shall analyze vedic religion in modern context.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 09:45 AM by vedatruth

Originally posted by USAisdevil
reply to post by vedatruth

the only ones in india who believe in this are sikhs,muslims and buddhists.

Vedic religion is mono-theistic. The Hindu is not a religion in the true sense. In my mind a religion must have a unique theology and a book of law, which is true of Vedic religion. Hinduism is a collection of many thoughts and practices, with only a tentative connection to Veda.

Sikhism is based on Veda. Buddhist borrow heavily from Veda, and I shall show these connection in my arguments. I shall skip Islam.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 10:18 AM by vedatruth

Veda (rig-veda, sam-veda, yajur-veda and atharva-veda) are the 'Bible' of vedic religion. The topics covered in the veda are:

1. An account of creation of universe and living beings
2. The nature and properties of God, Soul, and Prakriti
3. Types of living beings
4. Humans - why God created them and their purpose
5. Structure and Laws for human society
6. The ways to realise God
7. Arts and sciences that humans should engage in

And much more.

Upnishads are the treatises written by various Rishis to explain concepts originating from Veda, as a help in teaching students.

Sanskrit grammar and vocablury - Nirukta and Nighantu

Shashtra are books written by subject matter experts on science, engineering, social science etc.

Itihaas are books of history chronicling historical events. Ramayan and Mahabharat are part of Itihaas.

The above classes of books were used to teach students in Gurukul.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 10:34 AM by USAisdevil

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yet hinduism has 3 crore gods/goddesses.hinduism is a mixture of several religions.

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reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 10:52 AM by vedatruth

To understand vedic culture, we have to transport ourselves back in time 5300 years to Bharat before 'Mahabharat' war, a time when Sri Krisn was King of Yadava kingdom of Dwarka.

Bharat was divided in many kingdoms, each ruled by a king called 'Mandlik raja'. Some of the names of the kingdoms are Gandhaar, Sindhu, Hastinapur, Indraprasth, Mathura, Kashi, Patliputra, Vanga, Kosala, Dwarka etc.

The emperor (called 'chakravarti raja') had power over all these kingdoms. The king of Hastinapur "Dhritrashtra" was the emperor at the time of war. 'Chakravarti raja' is actually the king of entire earth. We cannot prove with definitive evidence that kingdoms in South India, Lanka, West Asia etc. accepted the supremacy of Hastinapur, but oral tradition does indicate so.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 11:08 AM by vedatruth

Originally posted by USAisdevil
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yet hinduism has 3 crore gods/goddesses.hinduism is a mixture of several religions.
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We consider Hinduism as a mixture of various 'sects' rather than religions.
The 3 crore figure is often quoted but nobody knows what it means.

In practice three prominent sects are there:
a. Shaiv
b. Vaishnav
c. Shakt

each with a few gods.

These are called sects as they have a theology but lack book of law. Only Veda covers the crucial 'structure of society', 'crimes and punishments' etc., so none of Hindu sects can exist without taking some component of Vedic thought.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 11:46 AM by USAisdevil

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and where do the untouchables come from? in ancient india they were humiliated and ill treated.Even today they are

What about the christian missionaries killed in india by RSS and BJP? your own youngsters are abandoning your culture in droves and adopting western immorality.Yes, and the hindus they are the biggest cowards and backstabbers I have ever seen ... especially the ones from UP.

As for Sikhs and Buddhists , they are straight and clear hearted.In fact the sikhs saved hindus from Aurangzeb.and how the hindus reward them?

by murdering them in riots in 1984.

Hell ,one thing about most hindus,they are cowards who kiss the a## of those who ill-treat them and beat and betray those who defend you. Like the russians who saved your ungrateful nation from being nuked by USA in 1971 and you spit in their face.

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reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 12:24 PM by D1ss1dent

reply to post by vedatruth

Is there a decent translation of the vedas available on the net?

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 07:55 PM by vedatruth

Originally posted by USAisdevil
reply to post by vedatruth

and where do the untouchables come from? in ancient india they were humiliated and ill treated.Even today they are

Veda has no concept of un-touchability. The social problems have started with decline of Vedic religion and its replacement with false beliefs + dawn of a feudal system.

What about the christian missionaries killed in india by RSS and BJP? your own youngsters are abandoning your culture in droves and adopting western immorality.Yes, and the hindus they are the biggest cowards and backstabbers I have ever seen ... especially the ones from UP.

It is due to ignorance of Veda. Pundits are opposed to Veda, as Veda has no temples and statues, and preaches a single ‘formless’ God. Temples are source of income of Pundits.
Youngsters are disillusioned as various sects their parents adhered to do not properly explain modern science. It is the same as a lot of Christians.
Veda explains everything living and non-living adequately, but it is very hard to learn. Today’s Pundits are unable to learn Veda.

As for Sikhs and Buddhists , they are straight and clear hearted.In fact the sikhs saved hindus from Aurangzeb.and how the hindus reward them?
by murdering them in riots in 1984.

Sikhism is closest to Vedic religion, out of all modern religions. You can easily get convinced of this fact when you learn about Veda.
You will also realize that many concepts of Buddhism are borrowed from Veda.
I shall refrain from getting into politics as it is beyond the scope of this thread.

Hell ,one thing about most hindus,they are cowards who kiss the a## of those who ill-treat them and beat and betray those who defend you. Like the russians who saved your ungrateful nation from being nuked by USA in 1971 and you spit in their face.

India stuck with Russia all through 90s when Russia was down. So your statement is incorrect.
If Hindus were all cowards, India would not have survived as long as it did.
Your opinion of Hindus is borne out of ignorance and hate, but I am positive that your views will change once we progress this dialog.

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reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 08:07 PM by vedatruth

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
reply to post by vedatruth

Is there a decent translation of the vedas available on the net?

The answer is NO.

Veda is learned from a Master (Guru) in the so called 'Guru shishya parampara'. The reason is - a very hard discipline is required for developing intellect to understand Veda. It is written in 'old Sanskrit', a language no longer in vernacular use. Learning Sanskrit itself is quite difficult. Then using that knowledge to understand Veda is even more difficult as it is cryptic even from standards of Sanskrit literature.

So Rishis wrote Upnishads to explain concepts to students. But Upnishads are also not easy to understand until a student sticks to the hard regimen in a Gurukul.

A Hindi translation is published by 'Arya Pratinidhi Sabha', but it useful only for people who understand Hindi.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 10:38 PM by vedatruth

As science can be learrned from books, but understood only from practical knowledge, spirituality (jouney of the soul) can be understood only by experience. A book can only start you on the journey.

>>Caste System<<

There is no caste system sanctioned by Veda.

Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra are just classes of people - like there are teachers, soldiers, traders, masons, carpenters etc.

People went by just their first name - Krsna, Arjun, Duryodhan etc. No surname or family name was used.

Anybody could be Brahmin. It was not hereditary.

Each officer of the State including King was chosen on merit. Thats why Yudhishtir was supposed to be the king who was more qualified than Duryodhan.

reply posted on 26-9-2011 @ 10:47 PM by vedatruth

>>Social Structure of Vedic Society<<

Vedic culture lays hevy emphasis on social harmony. It advises joint families - where many generations of a family live together. Houses were big because families were large. Guruji says that typical house in Ayodhya was seven stories high. People lived long - most people crossed 100 years of age easily. People were healthy and disease was rare. In fact there was no disease in Ramayan time.

Members of a family worked together and lived together. There was transfer of skills and knowledge from older to younger generation. Many businesses and industry were family occupations just as you would find today in old towns of India.

There was prosperity. Taxes were low. (Mind it, taxes are a big hinderance to wealth creation.). The Kings maintained small armies and smaller administrations. Our kings lived modestly compared to Egypt and Babylon etc. The palaces were modest. There was no show of wealth anywhere.

Kings ruled by force of Vedic law (Not by divine decree as King of England or Roman Kings). Vedas clearly say there is no son or daughter of God. No Vedic king claimed himself to be son of God or ruling in the name God. Kings were themselves bound by Vedic law, as much as the public. The punishment prescribed in the Vedic law was applied uniformly to everybody from top down.

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