MK ULTRA Tactics Used in Modern Society Outside of Gov Ops., page 1

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Topic started on 20-9-2011 @ 05:05 PM by BlackSatinDancer

ok...wasn't sure where to put this so if it needs to be moved...

also, it may take me a few posts to get the idea out what I'm trying to get across, because it is SO conspiratorial and i want to see if anyone else can bring some more to the subject before i delve straight in.

To sum it up... you might be aware that there was a project or program called MK ULTRA that used some very questionable tactics. Let's forget about the name MK UTLRA for a minute and understand these tactics as something that has been going on for a hell of a lot longer than MK ULTRA has been around.... so this isn't about the program itself but specifically about a certain tactic. Sodomizing and other sexual abuse of children.

think back in history of all the traditions of taking on young consorts from the time they are very small. It is something still known that loyalty can be born about tight nit long term families. It's important to know that even though not all situations would have been as abusive, even situations where the master was not taught to do this in pursuit of loyalty but that these things would just happen anyway.... among powerful fighting men and young blood. today we talk about it as a shock and label it "MK ULTRA" or make a suspicious celebrity joke on any of those out there appearing to be making consorts and trying to pass it off as something else.

just take a look around... it's happening. Some people are so desperate for power or loyalty.
it's also important to know that some in times not so long ago that people of royalty or power were taught that this is accepted practice and were allowed to choose their consorts from an array of choices and have more than one... and many of them might even seem to just use up and throw away their consorts whereas some became as loyal to their consorts as their consorts were to them...

they take the DNA of children these days... how many times do you think they have found... "well, this one's dad and grand dad are the same person"...... opps, but you KNOW that # has had to of happened.... plenty.
i want to hear some specific stories. How could a biological FATHER who knows that he would never be able to stand by his daughters side in that way... try to make a tool out of his own biological daughter?... just to see if it works? I believe the tactic, that was well among us already but was buried as a practice at least in the public eye, resurfaced as a tactic within government programs and was buried again but resurfaced among modern society men who studied such things. I'm not talking about the general abuse now... but the specific tactic because i do believe that rashes of it could resurface this way among people who study it. You understand? The idea becomes something different than it was when it fell on shocked nubile ears.

You ever think you know of weird people like this? families who have such strange unspoken dynamics within them? I do.... and it is a strange family indeed. even related to other subjects such as the use of Japanese aliases (which I am beginning to think is common) and people in the government doing very odd things to accrue funds such as writing dicey books and making very risque porn... or even kids cartoons... or a combination of both.

The associations just get weirder and weirder.

edit on 20/9/11 by masqua because: Replaced 'All Caps' in title

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 05:09 PM by boncho

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 05:15 PM by BlackSatinDancer

Originally posted by boncho

i can only assume you are confused about the part i left open ended... which is... who in the world would do such #?

i meet some of the weirdest, creepiest people.

There is something very strange going on in my opinion and it shows in...well... their very faces.

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reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 05:18 PM by Raelsatu

Long post, I'll read the entire thing a bit later; but I do believe MK Ultra and other tactics still persever to this day. MKUltra is related with mostly drug-induced brainwashing and mind control, during which the gov kidnapped thousands of people and did "experiments". however the mind control techniques are much more brutal than thought. Monarch type programming is used on children from infancy upwards to split their mind into fragments using extreme torture, an sodomy. Very scary.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 05:19 PM by jplaysguitar

OP i am haveing a tuff time fallowing you whyat exeactly are you talking about?

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 05:19 PM by BlackSatinDancer

but yeah!... back to the topic... I am looking for known examples that we can look at... Woody Allen would be one but I'm not sure of he was related to that girl. It was still very bizarre.

I know there are more. what is an example of proven inbred offspring... because i bet there are actually many examples of that, which is not good at all. well, for some species it may be but for humans it's pretty well known to produce dead ends.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 05:25 PM by BlackSatinDancer

Originally posted by Raelsatu
Long post, I'll read the entire thing a bit later; but I do believe MK Ultra and other tactics still persever to this day. MKUltra is related with mostly drug-induced brainwashing and mind control, during which the gov kidnapped thousands of people and did "experiments". however the mind control techniques are much more brutal than thought. Monarch type programming is used on children from infancy upwards to split their mind into fragments using extreme torture, an sodomy. Very scary.

AHH... There you go. thank you for the correction because I am trying to figure out the best way to put it even though MK ULTRA makes sexual abuse victims as well, but you are right to describe it within a bloodline even if the bloodline is of no direct significance... it would be better described as monarch programming. I haven't really read a lot on these subjects. they have simply been coming up a lot lately and under all sorts of different subjects.

it's all very overwhelming even though the more personal thoughts are not personally endangering to me, but the subject is definitely one I want to expose... because i truly beieve this crap is going on more than people realize.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 05:29 PM by BlackSatinDancer

I want to say that even though i have not read books on the subject, I feel i have a pretty good understanding of the common mind and concepts like leverage and insecurity.... which are all things tied into the psychology of it all. that is very important.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 07:38 PM by Raelsatu

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I believe MK-Ultra was implemented with experiments over a broad age-range; but Monarch programming is more cabalistic in nature, used in conjunction with occult practices taken to the extreme (Satanism/Luciferian); and they choose children as the slaves because before a certain age a childs mind is highly susceptible to controlled fragmenting/programming via trauma. The black masses done by the Illuminati are said to be so disturbing and brutal that participants must switch to one of their alters (mind fragments); this is how they live normal lives in conjunction with their secretive ones.

The Monarch system is one which is passed down, the handlers often being programmed themselves; and their slaves may also one day become a handler. Sometimes handlers are recruited via blackmail and taught to be sadistic but more often that not the Illuminati look for a father figure who's sadistic; by looking for a male who molest his child at a young age; if he waits till she's a teen to molest her then they consider him to have too much of a conscience. Other prime candidates for their torture system are psychopaths, because they completely lack empathy and only live for self-indulgence; that self-indulgence is often translated into sadism.

I do think Monarch programming is still occurring, even more widely so because it's had than several+ generations to flourish. Even worse is that it's secretive nature is layered under different ranks of slaves. Slaves closer to the top are programmed so intricately that it's virtually impossible for them to deprogram themselves or defect against the system. It's also very difficult for regular slaves, and although they go through deprogramming to this day; it has to be done very carefully by therapist taking into account that there are "trip-wires" in place to induce suicide.

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reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 08:24 PM by FurvusRexCaeli

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i want to hear some specific stories. How could a biological FATHER who knows that he would never be able to stand by his daughters side in that way... try to make a tool out of his own biological daughter?... just to see if it works?

You want incest stories? There are many web sites catering to such a desire. Not my thing, but Rule 34 prevails.

reply posted on 21-9-2011 @ 04:52 PM by BlackSatinDancer

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
reply to post by BlackSatinDancer

i want to hear some specific stories. How could a biological FATHER who knows that he would never be able to stand by his daughters side in that way... try to make a tool out of his own biological daughter?... just to see if it works?

You want incest stories? There are many web sites catering to such a desire. Not my thing, but Rule 34 prevails.

I know how to look up everyday random filth if that is what I wanted, but clearly i am going after known names and examples of where it is known this is or ever has been even practiced. Like I mentioned earlier... Woody Allen is an example of this regardless of whether or not he even realized it... If the allegations are correct, he is probably just another man who needs love and wanted to control things he was never meant to control and he allowed it to go too far (in my opinion) because he didn't think through all these processes and was caught up in the old standard. "get em young and raise them right" there have been too many so called success stories that people digging for arcane knowledge have found... they get enthralled by it. it needs to be talked about because as a science even without morality- it has plenty of flaws.

Ok... I'm not even talking to this guy anymore that i quoted and just talking in general. i just wanted to thank his for his permission to post

... but couldn't help but to wonder why he is in here if this is of no issue to him....

anyway... going forward...

I NEED to talk about this because i am currently being accused of being mind controlled in a way i am not mind controlled. Everyone is mind control by something in this world unless they are operating mindlessly... purely mindlessly like in some sort of zen state or something but anywho....People think things that are simply not true about these tactics. Although, yes it produces results as one poster is pointing out... handlers really don't seem to understand the full spectrum.... they are partially blind, not full of arcane knowledge like they would choose to be while seduced by the notion.

my mind is always rolling and it's just hard to make everything that crosses my mind understood all at once... and i will often forget things if i don't express them soon because the mind is always going.... so much is getting lost in people, in myself, in every second of the day. sometimes i might just have to reach out and snatch something up to express it without feeling like i'm trial for doing so... regardless of how it may appear to some, my conscience rarely carries that kind of fear of self incrimination. Do I ever think I am a pervy loon? HELL no... compared to WHO?! People telling me to look up incest stories?.... uh... ya.

I don't need to be constantly scrubbing my conscience down like some people. perhaps a misunderstanding of that has transpired.

anyway... A lot of people might think these things don't happen so much because it just so unbelievable that the consciOUS can be tampered with so easily... but it can... yet still it no magic. it is full of devastating effects and in the long run I mean largely to the handler. would people be so enthralled if they understood what kind of trouble for themselves they are asking for? maybe.
some abuse is much worse than others but I think it is best dealt with understood because of how heavily it backfires. it literally creates demons, not just in this life in things you see but it feeds a very hungry demonic energy that needs to be understood because if handlers had any idea what they are opening themselves up to...

It is very dark stuff... but even childhood and parenting and family relationships are dark territory. Relationships themselves are closely rooted with pain, fear and suffering... as perceptions. I'm not saying it's evil, I'm saying it's a dark part of life that needs to be understood. People who want to be gods of their own design are born into struggling associations they cannot control... yet still through some spiritual choice they can't recall. It is to exist with control of the design and have that which they desire. To face the fact that these things occur and to look at their devastation brings us to the reality that there must be a better way to control the journey for that which we seek.

reply posted on 21-9-2011 @ 05:12 PM by BlackSatinDancer

I don't just mean by talking down incest and molestation and rape... which is a given. I mean on a much more complex level... but I am going to have to go into to that in a little while because things are not so easy to be put into words.

i was visited in the middle of the night by a man much older than me at the time and this has raised a lot of questions because it appears that even before i started openly talking about such things, this was already known by a few people. Did they bother candidly talking to me about it? of course not.

... but anyway, according to some, because of this event which they cannot say what did or did not happen, they want to consider me some type of product with no true opinion of my own... when in fact there are so many factors in life that play upon my opinions including all their attempts to sway it, it is ridiculous to me that this one event could possibly be responsible for my entire life's myriad of actions, thoughts and feelings which have been quite diverse i might add. I wish i could make them understand how funny that is to me because if my eyes roll any further back in my head when hearing some things they are going to get stuck that way.

That is just one of my concerns in this very wide spread mess.

Who is abducting, raping and utilizing these children who they don't really care anything about?

Which PEOPLE appear to be doing this... because it IS people.

reply posted on 21-9-2011 @ 05:30 PM by BlackSatinDancer

Oh... i almost forgot this part. It seems to me that currently TV is releasing some material with a lot of suggestiveness that these types of relationships in history existed and should be re-explored. Not only do we have a lot of precocious role models in actuality but the them is HEAVY in anime. VERY HEAVY.... even in some of the lighter stories. Think of Inuyasia. Two demon brothers, one starts hanging out with a school girl that reminds him of his slain love... the other one hates everyone but picks up a very young girl along the way who begins to amuse him and he starts protecting. Talk of demon swords and all... old world stuff. Where do these stories come from? Another theme heavy in anime is the MILITARY.

I'm even a fan of anime. The fact that I am a fan makes me recall not one story... but many, many MANY stories that bear signatures of so called arcane knowledge and I'd be very interested to know where all these lovely details come from and even if they came out of the clear blue sky, it really can tell you a lot about the human mind.... and it's all over the place. Not just in anime but who is coaching young girls to have sex with demons? Is it demons or is it people who are 100% human despite their crazy unpronounceable names?

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