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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says he wants to make sure millionaires are taxed at higher rates than their secretaries. The data say they already are.
"Warren Buffett's secretary shouldn't pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett. There is no justification for it," Obama said as he announced his deficit-reduction plan this week. "It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay higher tax rates than somebody pulling in $50 million."
On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.
The 10 percent of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70 percent of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
Originally posted by Ghost375
1% own 70%...
The income tax rate may be higher than secretaries on the books...but when you take into all of the loopholes, they end up paying less as a percentage of their income.
The reason they still pay the majority is because they own so freakin much and their incomes are so freakin high.
The war is being waged against you and I, not the rich.
Originally posted by DragonTattooz
They are two different arguments.
1- What group pays the majority share of the total taxes collected? That is the argument made in the story.
2- What group pays more as a percentage of their income? That is the argument being made by Obama and Buffet.
“It’s hard to argue against that. Warren Buffett’s secretary shouldn’t pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett. There is no justification for it,’’ Obama said.
Buffett actually was taxed twice on his investment income.
First, Buffett had to make the money he invested. Those earnings were taxed as corporate income, at about a 35-percent rate.
Then, Uncle Sam took another cut when Buffett invested the money and earned a profit. That’s when Buffett paid the 15 percent capital-gains tax rate.
All told, after combining corporate taxes and capital gains taxes, Buffett forked over about 45 percent of his earnings.
Originally posted by N3k9Ni
All of that information looks good on paper. The truth is that the people making millions of dollars have sheltered their money so well, they pay little or nothing in income tax.
"The 10 percent of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70 percent of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office."
Again, this is on paper. They are supposed to be paying more than half of all federal taxes. They are supposed to be paying 70 percent of federal income taxes. In reality, they don't.
Originally posted by diatribe
I am self employed and make around $200,000 per year. With all of my deductions my tax rate comes out to around 10%. This is a lower rate then when I worked for someone else for $70,000. The system is set up for people who make good money, not the middle class.
Originally posted by DragonTattooz
They are two different arguments.
1- What group pays the majority share of the total taxes collected? That is the argument made in the story.
The 10 percent of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes. They pay more than 70 percent of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
2- What group pays more as a percentage of their income? That is the argument being made by Obama and Buffet.
This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.
Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay an average of 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.
Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5 percent of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7 percent.
The latest IRS figures are a few years older — and limited to federal income taxes — but show much the same thing. In 2009, taxpayers who made $1 million or more paid on average 24.4 percent of their income in federal income taxes, according to the IRS.
Those making $100,000 to $125,000 paid on average 9.9 percent in federal income taxes. Those making $50,000 to $60,000 paid an average of 6.3 percent.
Obama's claim hinges on the fact that, for high-income families and individuals, investment income is often taxed at a lower rate than wages. The top tax rate for dividends and capital gains is 15 percent. The top marginal tax rate for wages is 35 percent, though that is reserved for taxable income above $379,150.
The Tax Policy Center estimates that 46 percent of low and medium income households will pay no federal income taxes this year.
Originally posted by OnceReturned
...Warren buffet paid 17.7% in taxes on ~$46 million (mostly capital gains) while is secretary paid 30% on ~$60 thousand (conventional income). Seventeen percent of 46 million is a lot more thirty percent of 60k, no matter how you slice it. His secretary would have to pay 13,000% in taxes in order to pay the same amount in dollars as he paid.
It is telling that in order for Obama's argument to be compelling, he has to be deceptive in this way.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”
The true effective rate for multimillionaires is actually far lower than that indicated by official government statistics. That's because those figures fail to include the additional income that's generated by many sophisticated tax-avoidance strategies. Several of those techniques involve some variation of complicated borrowings that never get repaid, netting the beneficiaries hundreds of millions in tax-free cash. From 2003 to 2008, for example, Los Angeles Dodgers owner and real estate developer Frank H. McCourt Jr. paid no federal or state regular income taxes, as stated in court records dug up by the Los Angeles Times. Developers such as McCourt, according to a declaration in his divorce proceeding, "typically fund their lifestyle through lines of credit and loan proceeds secured by their assets while paying little or no personal income taxes." A spokesman for McCourt said he availed himself of a tax code provision at the time that permitted purchasers of sports franchises to defer income taxes.