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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Listen to this young man curse Christ and face the fact that at least half the Jews in Israel feel exactly the same way.


If you are trying to get the attention of Israel infatuated christians.... forget it. It wont work. They are absolutely convinced that the modern day state of Israel is in fact the Old Testament era Israel that they read about in their bibles.
They believe that Israels return in its current form was all prophecized.

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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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me mad? lol!

but they will be when the US stops the money.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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Not attacking Jews, but the conservative Israeli government are a bunch of crooks!!



As long as those retards are in power, I can't support Israel...



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by BRAVO949

Originally posted by dragonseeker

Originally posted by metodex
Before you people embarrass yourselves even further (yeah thats possible). Hate Israel, Hate Arabia or hate Egypt, but don't hate muslims and jews. As low as racism.

Now,you hate Israel, and by that i mean you hate the ones who govern the country and not the farmers, store clerks, 15 year old kids,et cetera. What would happen if i said i hate americans? How many of you would bash me?


I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't bash you. I'm american, and we are(sadly) deeply ignorant on many levels. much of that is by design, much like, I think the israeli citizens who support their government's actions. They are kept in the dark. My issue with israel lies solely in it's government's behavior, not religion, ethnicity, etc. some of you will refuse to believe that; so be it. I've already lost much for speaking out on the subject; but I'm not cowardly enough to keep my mouth shut..my life would be much easier if I were.


So - you think it is just the Israeli government?

Listen to this young man curse Christ and face the fact that at least half the Jews in Israel feel exactly the same way.



Zionism is an ideology of hate



I've seen that video. But, the israeli people aren't driving policy. the government is the bad actor here. yes, israeli citizens are the boots on the ground(all israelis have to serve 2 years in IDF I think) but it'sa not the israeli citizens who get the US govt to cough up billions, or order false-flag terrorism. the government should be the focus, even if some citizens are doing bad things too(looking at you settlers in occupied territories).
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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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If you are saying that the Israeli government is the main problem when it comes to the persecution of the Palestinians I do agree with you.

But...

500 000 Israeli Jews are living on land that the whole world and even the Israeli government (at some level) recognises as Palestinian.

Now, did the Israeli government hold a gun to the head of each of those Israeli Jews and force them to "occupy" Palestinian land?

Okay - this time I will not put my statement in headline font but Zionism is the problem. Zionism is a fraud. Zionism is an ideology of hate.

Israeli Jews, by living in Palestine on occupied land and by that I mean the post 1967 land and the post 1948 land sign on to Zionism.

Yes, I say we can and should blame ordinary Israeli Jews for the policies of the Israeli government.

If your neighbor stole food from the supermarket and you ate it then you are also guilty - right?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 12:18 PM
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They had and still have the notion that the land was promised to them by God.So that is why they think it is their land and palestinians need to get out( it was promised to Abraham,read your bible).So they take it over by millitary force it makes it theirs. They had better weapons to do it too. I dont know what country you are from but if someone invaded your land saying it is theirs you wouldnt like it. So might is right in your eyes, the guy with the bigger gun takes what he wants like every empire past or present, how barbaric. Now I know where you are coming from, almost as if you came out of the crusades.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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it was promised to Abraham,read your bible.


Right.
It was promised to Abraham...but it does NOT necassarily mean the jews. If you know your bible, the jews were just ONE religious group who came from Abraham.

Also, if you know your bible, you would know that the word jew itself is derived from a great grandson of Abraham called Judah. (Abraham > Isaac > Jacob > Judah)
So it is clear that there were no "jews" (or muslims or christians) involved when the original promise was made to Abraham. The promise to the land was bloodline based.

Half of Abrahams progeny became muslims through Ishmael. Another portion of the original "Israelites" became muslims. (Look up "pashtun + Israelites" on google)
So to say that only "jews" are entitled to that land is not only false, it goes against the bible itself.
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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 06:55 AM
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any of you in this thread who still supports israel might want to listen to this interview:
www.youtube.com...#!



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by dragonseeker
any of you in this thread who still supports israel might want to listen to this interview:
www.youtube.com...#!


Surely you're not Beating dead horses again? Well, if anyone is an authority on Jews – 911 connection, it must be Alan Sabrosky.

Is he really?

"He was a mid-level civilian manager at a military college, without access to the sort of highly classified material...”

"How on earth could someone who worked on the level of a college librarian in the 1980s be privy to top secret information revealing a vast hidden conspiracy? “

read this

adamholland.blogspot.com...

I'm expecting for the '5 dancing Israelis' argument to show up in no time.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by gravitational

Originally posted by dragonseeker
any of you in this thread who still supports israel might want to listen to this interview:
www.youtube.com...#!


Surely you're not Beating dead horses again? Well, if anyone is an authority on Jews – 911 connection, it must be Alan Sabrosky.

Is he really?

"He was a mid-level civilian manager at a military college, without access to the sort of highly classified material...”

"How on earth could someone who worked on the level of a college librarian in the 1980s be privy to top secret information revealing a vast hidden conspiracy? “

read this

adamholland.blogspot.com...

I'm expecting for the '5 dancing Israelis' argument to show up in no time.


ask, and ye shall receive


www.youtube.com...



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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Do you know what I find truly fascinating about Zionist conspiracy theorists?

If you really believe in the elaborate scheme that you constantly preach, you are acknowledging that a few elite globalists executed a master plan that was initiated by the deliberate execution of 6 million jews in the Holocaust in order to garner public support for the creation of the State of Israel.

If that's really the case, why do so many of you preach hatred towards Israel?

If you really believe in the alleged Protocols of Zion, you should have an even greater sense of empathy for the plight of the jewish people and the inherent difficulties associated with maintaining security for the State of Israel.

After all, according to some of you, Israelis are nothing but pawns in the grand scheme of things.


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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
Do you know what I find truly fascinating about Zionist conspiracy theorists?

If you really believe in the elaborate scheme that you constantly preach, you are acknowledging that a few elite globalists executed a master plan that was initiated by the deliberate execution of 6 million jews in the Holocaust in order to garner public support for the creation of the State of Israel.

If that's really the case, why do so many of you preach hatred towards Israel?

If you really believe in the alleged Protocols of Zion, you should have an even greater sense of empathy for the plight of the jewish people and the inherent difficulties associated with maintaining security for the State of Israel.

After all, according to some of you, Israelis are nothing but pawns in the grand scheme of things.


edit on 26-9-2011 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)


My problem(I don't know how many times I have to say this) is the israeli government, not the people. although, as others have pointed out, the people bear some responsibility, much like we americans bear some responsibility for the actions of our govt.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by dragonseeker

Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
Do you know what I find truly fascinating about Zionist conspiracy theorists?

If you really believe in the elaborate scheme that you constantly preach, you are acknowledging that a few elite globalists executed a master plan that was initiated by the deliberate execution of 6 million jews in the Holocaust in order to garner public support for the creation of the State of Israel.

If that's really the case, why do so many of you preach hatred towards Israel?

If you really believe in the alleged Protocols of Zion, you should have an even greater sense of empathy for the plight of the jewish people and the inherent difficulties associated with maintaining security for the State of Israel.

After all, according to some of you, Israelis are nothing but pawns in the grand scheme of things.


edit on 26-9-2011 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)


My problem(I don't know how many times I have to say this) is the israeli government, not the people. although, as others have pointed out, the people bear some responsibility, much like we americans bear some responsibility for the actions of our govt.


Fair enough. In that case, I can't think of a single sovereign nation in the world today that is represented by a government that isn't corrupt to some extent.

I haven't condoned all the actions of the Israeli government in the past, but to be quite honest, I also think the Israeli government is unfairly chastised compared to other government regimes in the world today. Israel builds settlements in disputed territory and it causes reverberations across the globe. Meanwhile, there are totalinarian regimes and military dicatorships in South America, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia with a deplorable record of human rights, that commit vile acts of mass genocide, and yet most people are apathetic.

I acknowledge that Palestinian and Lebanese casualties have unfortunately taken taken place as a result of the Intafada. However, the fact of the matter is, whether you feel Israel's responses have been measured or not, Israel has always acted in self defence in retaliation to terrorist attacks. Terrorists are the the most difficult type of enemy to combat, because ciivilian casualties on both sides of the equation are part of their strategy. Israel has never deliberately targeted civilians. Many corrupt regimes around the world today murder civilians without provocation to serve their own interests.

I wonder how the government of a Western power would respond if native terrorist groups started firing rockets on their civilians.
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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
Do you know what I find truly fascinating about Zionist conspiracy theorists?

If you really believe in the elaborate scheme that you constantly preach, you are acknowledging that a few elite globalists executed a master plan that was initiated by the deliberate execution of 6 million jews in the Holocaust in order to garner public support for the creation of the State of Israel.

If that's really the case, why do so many of you preach hatred towards Israel?

If you really believe in the alleged Protocols of Zion, you should have an even greater sense of empathy for the plight of the jewish people and the inherent difficulties associated with maintaining security for the State of Israel.

After all, according to some of you, Israelis are nothing but pawns in the grand scheme of things.


edit on 26-9-2011 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)



You are not paying attention.

A lot of posters on here who criticise zionist policies DO feel sorry for ordinary Jews caught up in the crossfire.

I've said it I don't know how many times, but still I am decried as anti Jewish .... it's truly amazing how stupid some people are.

And there are many many real Jews opposed to zionist policies for that very same reason. I'm not Jewish but I completely empathise with them.

My stance is that the zionist agenda is nothing but bad news for Jews and they will come eventually to regret the actions of their criminal leaders. I think many of them are already regretting what has happened.

Have you got it yet ?



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by bigyin

Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
Do you know what I find truly fascinating about Zionist conspiracy theorists?

If you really believe in the elaborate scheme that you constantly preach, you are acknowledging that a few elite globalists executed a master plan that was initiated by the deliberate execution of 6 million jews in the Holocaust in order to garner public support for the creation of the State of Israel.

If that's really the case, why do so many of you preach hatred towards Israel?

If you really believe in the alleged Protocols of Zion, you should have an even greater sense of empathy for the plight of the jewish people and the inherent difficulties associated with maintaining security for the State of Israel.

After all, according to some of you, Israelis are nothing but pawns in the grand scheme of things.


edit on 26-9-2011 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)



You are not paying attention.

A lot of posters on here who criticise zionist policies DO feel sorry for ordinary Jews caught up in the crossfire.

I've said it I don't know how many times, but still I am decried as anti Jewish .... it's truly amazing how stupid some people are.

And there are many many real Jews opposed to zionist policies for that very same reason. I'm not Jewish but I completely empathise with them.

My stance is that the zionist agenda is nothing but bad news for Jews and they will come eventually to regret the actions of their criminal leaders. I think many of them are already regretting what has happened.

Have you got it yet ?


I respect your opinion, but my post was not directed at you or anyone who shares your sentiments. My post was directed at the disturbing number of people on this site that are genuinely antisemitic.

I also don't agree with your assessment that the Israeli government is criminal. See my post above. If there is a secret agenda at play, then the leadership of Israel (by way of the democratic electoral process), would also be a victim of circumstance.
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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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What is the zionist agenda to you???

What about the those religious Jews adhering to traditional Judaism who maintain - for close to 2000 years - an ardent desire for the Messiah to come and for him to reestablish the ancient kingdom of Israel.

Are the people Zionists too???



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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Zionism is Terrorism



Granted that sounds like a Talmud inspired Soviet era slogan but by G-d it is true.

Terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence to achieve political ends.

If you think about it, when Jewish parents scare the hell out of their kids by telling them about the Holocaust and tell them that Gentiles hate them and to "never forget, never forgive" they are using terrorism to advance the cause of Zionism.

When experts say that "Jewish children are the first victims of Zionism" it is very hard to argue against them.

Sure I like to kick Israel in the figurative groin for sport but I do care about the innocent Jewish children in Israel and around the world who are being a steady diet of mind poison.

Can we just unite and save the poor Jewish kids for Jerry's sake?



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Hi Bravo

Even R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (Gk. Iesous), whom Christians revere as a god-man, was full of zionist hate against the goyim (=gentiles, non Jews) when the Greek Speaking Iesous of the Gospels actually rails against that poor SyroPhoecian Gentile woman who had come to him for help with her daughter 'who had a bleeder daemon' (even playing to his ego by calling him Son of David, i.e. the Messiah) in the 1st canonical Greek gospel 'according to Matthew' whoever he was, chapter 15:

'And they were in the region of Tyre and Sidon in Phoenciea - and there comes to him a SyroPhonecian woman whose daughter was possessed by a bleeder-demon, and she falls down before him, saying, Son of David, have mercy upon me ! But his inner followers told her she could not see him. But she persisted, saying, Son of David, have mercy upon me ! Finally Iesous said to her, Lady, the Bar Enasha ('son of man') was sent ONLY to the Lost Sheep of the Elect of the House of Yisro'el - and anyway, since when would it be right for me to take the bread of the children (i.e. of the kingdom, i.e. Jews) out of their mouths and throw it to the DOGS under the table ?' but she responded, saying, 'yes, but even the DOGS as you call them lick up the crumbs from the floor, don't they?'

The word DOG (Aram. Kalbah, Heb. Kaleb) is a technical zionist-religious-social term used for the goyim (i.e. gentiles, non-Jews), which we see sprayed all over the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were still being copied when these racist-zionist words were allegedly coming out of R. Yeshua's mouth - they were not sealed up until after AD 68.

In the middle east, the term DOG refers to the lowest form of animal life - kind of what the Americans would call a Coqroach - and even the 'holy' Talmud echoes this vitriolic gentile-hatred of modern zionists

"If a son of Yisro'el should ever eat with a non-Jew it is the same as eating with a Dog." see Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b.

In the Talmud (echoed by the original teaching of the Aramaic Yeshua or the later Greek speaking 'Iesous') Jews refer ONLY to themselves as actual human beings - the goyim (non-Jews, gentiles) are seen as beneath them as animals: 'As for the Goyim they are all as low as the beasts of prey' - see: Baba Mezia, 114b

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the holy books say to honor the dog more than the Gentile " Ereget Raschi Erod, 22 30.

"The souls of the goyim (non-Jews) derive from lower, impure spirits and are like the souls of piglets" Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"Even though the Blessed One of Yisro'el created the Goyim (i.e. gentiles, non-Jews) also they are still nothing but animals dressed as humans and it would not becoming to a Jew to be served by any Animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form." : --

Midrasch Talpioth,found un-expurgated from the Warsaw Talmud of 1855 which the goyim/gentiles were not supposed to read !

'A pregnant Gentile is the same as a pregnant Animal - and no better...' --Koschen Hamischpat N. 405

"Although the Gentile has a similar body in form as a Jew, they compare with the Jew merely only as a Monkey compares to a human being" --Schene Luchoth haBeruth.

Unfortunately, most extremist religious-zionists today take their rabid gentile hatred and venom directly from the Talmud literally - especially when these religious right wing wackos think nothing of torturing, maiming and murdering Palestinian citizens, which according to their warped Weltanschauung, are occuping their 'un-holy' land...

And the Americans blindly send a cheque every month to this government who spends a large percentage of their GDP on 'welfare cheques' for all those ultra right wing Israeli rabinnical students who 'do not have to work for a living;' but sit around all day pretending to be reading the anti gentile tractates buried inside the Talmud....all at taxpayer expense, yet !!!!!








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posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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Made sure I scraped a copy of your message just on the odd chance it was somehow deleted from this forum.

Ice and Zionism are alike in the way that you need not add "cold" to the former and "radical" to the latter.



posted on Sep, 26 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by BRAVO949

Zionism is Terrorism



Granted that sounds like a Talmud inspired Soviet era slogan but by G-d it is true.

Terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence to achieve political ends.

If you think about it, when Jewish parents scare the hell out of their kids by telling them about the Holocaust and tell them that Gentiles hate them and to "never forget, never forgive" they are using terrorism to advance the cause of Zionism.

When experts say that "Jewish children are the first victims of Zionism" it is very hard to argue against them.

Sure I like to kick Israel in the figurative groin for sport but I do care about the innocent Jewish children in Israel and around the world who are being a steady diet of mind poison.

Can we just unite and save the poor Jewish kids for Jerry's sake?


Even the UN has determined that zionism is racism, resolution 3379:
en.wikipedia.org...



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