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The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by buster2010
Are you #ing serious????
How can you people say things like this?! They were offerred their state in '47! They REJECTED it! And ATTACKED ISRAEL!
You people are #ing baffoons.
It was only this coastal zone which was "Jewish settled:". When they came, there were virtually no inhabitants. As is usual in the middle east, there were nomads-bedouins, who would travel from place to place, depending on the current conditions. Only AFTER Jewish investment into the region which created jobs of industry, only AFTER this had happened, did the British - who was administering the LON mandate, allow hundreds of thousands of illegal Arab immigrants - from North Africa, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, the Hedjaz, Iraq - into western Palestine. Eventually, many of these 'immigrants' took Jobs that were being created by Jews for the Jews being persecuted in Eastern Europe.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by wearewatchingyouman
Im sorry, are you Jewish??
Its really annoying to here ignorant non-Jews quoting naturei karta - a minority anti-zionist orthodox Jewish organization, as if what they have to day were agreed upon by all Orthodox Jews,
Thats like me quoting Jihadist literature and saying "see? All Muslims believe this!".. No, a minority believes it
And where in the Torah - the 5 books of moses - does it to tell the Jews not to establish a state in Israel?!
You have no clue what you are talking about.
Its the Talmud, which commands Jews not to enter the state of Israel without the approval of the political powers.
But even then, the arguments are so subtle. And you know nothing of Torah literature/dialectic to understand any of it, So........please do not copy/paste naturei karta ideology as if you even understood it. Because you dont. You likewise wouldnt appreciate the much more logical opposition of the religious Zionists,
I could, if you like, post some of the material here. But, seeing you could care less about Torah thought, it wouldnt make a difference....But for the sake of helping you argument you'll quote religious Jewish anti-zionist literature.