Occupy Wall St. Video of violent arrests today 9/20

Originally posted by undo
was just watching some ron paul videos. he's apparently a supporter of peaceful protest, so if you like ron paul take his advice, protest peacefully, don't allow it to escalate to violence.

and while i'm at it, i apologize for my display of anger here the other day and for my use of foul language. but it's better it surfaced in advance, rather in the middle of a crisis. folks need to redirect the brewing anger to something other than each other or it will end up badly. so for my part in it, i apologize to the readers and to the poor guy i called a few not so nice things.

ok so when countries are all in unpayable debt, the economy has collapsed
what then?
if the banks tried to enslave you and enforce their powers with police/army/private army. would you believe in peaceful protest then?
because when they have full control i can imagine it will be very unpeacful
this is where we are heading, all im saying is stop it before it happens. violence is inevitable. survival is not

Originally posted by UniverSoul

i agree, violence is terrible. but thats the tool they use to control the world
and we cant stop it unless we fight fire with fire. because peacefull protest does not change the fact that they control the currency that controls the world

If you think this way, you have to think it right ...

First of all, you want to have a government. It's unavoidable, and it doesn't really matter if it's this government, or some other government. They are the same ...

The problem is, when those who are at the helm, feel themselves so secure, that they think they can kill you, and everyone else, and control with fear, without having to face reprisals.

You can't have a revolution, because that kind of violence would be too much, and a lot of people who had nothing to do with things, would suffer.

So, what you need to do, is create a system of reprisals. Such a system, has to be focused and only unleash violence is short waves, and concentrated at certain areas. You ned something, like the Japanese had in there time. They understood, that sometimes the landlord needed to be killed ... so they had a secret assassin group, called Ninja. This is basically what you need ... a way, for the "people", to say "enough is enough, mr. president ... you have the choice of going to jail, or pay with your life". In other words, there has to be a final mechanism for the lower ranking people, to inflict the same kind of mechanism on those above, when the system fails to protect them. But this also means, that you need some sort of intelligence service, that can root out, who is really to blame ... is it the cop on the street, the president himself or someone in between. If he is protected by a system, that favors him ... then a final solution can be applied.

Everyone has to pay for their crimes, those upstairs as well as those downstairs. Otherwise, you'll end up with a corrupt system.

Everyone has to pay for their crimes

reply to post by bjarneorn


define crime in this situation. for example, some people think caucasian people today, should pay for crimes against people years, decades, centuries or even millenia ago. that's like saying the caucasian doctor that's performing surgery on you, should immediately be tried for his crimes against humanity (right after he gets done fixing you) because of the color of his skin. there needs to be a line of demarcation. another thing is, calling for reprisal of crimes commited by military, when the definition of crime is rewritten. it's not a crime if it's done in this government but becomes a crime retrospectively in a different government.

there's all kinds of not good in that scenario.

Originally posted by undo

define crime in this situation. for example, some people think caucasian people today, should pay for crimes against people years, decades, centuries or even millenia ago.

there's all kinds of not good in that scenario.

And what crimes would that be, exactly?

Blaming "caucasians" for something, is like Mr. Adolf Hitler blaming the jews. Or the Jews claiming they are to blame for what the Egyptians did, thousands of years ago. The egyptians, weren't and aren't caucasian. A caucasian, is someone who originates from the caucasus ... and if you'd take that today, you'd end up with round about few hundred thousand left ... I doubt they count in the millions. They fought the chinese over their territory, and had to flee to europe, fought the southern Europeans and had to flee to northern europe and there, they were eventually cought up ... by the Romans ... and today, aren't in much numbers at all. Your school is teaching you nonsense, really ... you're not a caucasian, because you have "pale" skin ... most of those come from the middle east, and they are pale from an entirely different reason.

This is why I said, you have to have some sort of intelligence service to root out who is to blame ... because you have a lot of this stupidity on both sides of the equation.

Maybe I should hate the Chinese for murdering my people 6000 years ago? Maybe I should hate all Mongolians, for murdering Europeans with the black plague? Maybe I should hate all the Arabs, for invading my ancestors and murdering them, for centuries? Maybe I should hate the jews, for being self important liars? Maybe I should hate all the Romans, for murdering-my-ancestors into becoming Christian? Maybe I should hate people in America, for cutting the heart out of europeans, who were out exploring?

Geesh .... that hatin' sounds too tough a job

Or, maybe I should just quit the hating ... and allow an elite group of assassins, kill the priest before he can use his knife ... and if anyone wants to take that priests place, in using that knife to cut out peoples hearts ... have those same elite assassins, take him out as well ... until nobody wants to be a priest, and cut the heart out of peoples chest ...

Sounds like a pretty good idea to me ... then I can quit all that hatin'

they are pale from an entirely different reason.

reply to post by bjarneorn


what entirely different reason?
and did you just infer that i was stupid?

Or, maybe I should just quit the hating ... and allow an elite group of assassins, kill the priest before he can use his knife

wait, are you suggesting a death squad of hired killers, illegally killing people in the usa because you don't like them or what? that's your solution?

Originally posted by UniverSoul

Originally posted by undo
was just watching some ron paul videos. he's apparently a supporter of peaceful protest, so if you like ron paul take his advice, protest peacefully, don't allow it to escalate to violence.

and while i'm at it, i apologize for my display of anger here the other day and for my use of foul language. but it's better it surfaced in advance, rather in the middle of a crisis. folks need to redirect the brewing anger to something other than each other or it will end up badly. so for my part in it, i apologize to the readers and to the poor guy i called a few not so nice things.

ok so when countries are all in unpayable debt, the economy has collapsed
what then?
if the banks tried to enslave you and enforce their powers with police/army/private army. would you believe in peaceful protest then?
because when they have full control i can imagine it will be very unpeacful
this is where we are heading, all im saying is stop it before it happens. violence is inevitable. survival is not

well, this is how i deal with stress - i play video games, sometimes the games have violence in them, sometimes they don't, but the idea of killing real people doesn't appeal to me, i'm sorry. i don't want to add to the misery on the planet. if i didn't play video games, i'd chew my nails or pace the floor or count ceiling tiles or something but killing real people is not an option for me. for someone else, maybe.

Originally posted by undo

wait, are you suggesting a death squad of hired killers, illegally killing people in the usa because you don't like them or what? that's your solution?

I apologize if I sounded personal ... no such pun intended.

Yes, I do consider that iff a small squad of elite people had "searched and terminated" UBL, Hitler, Stalin, etc., instead of waging decades of war and millions of lives, it would have been better for us all.

In the end, you have to have some way of bringing the leaders to justice ... they aren't going down that road, on their own accord.

I'm just bouncing the ball, UniverSoul played ...

reply to post by bjarneorn


The poster was likely referring to"reparations", the concept that white people enslaved the blacks, so white people should pay the black people back for what their ancestors collectively did to them during the colonial period when slavers imported them to work on the plantations. But guess what? There were Irish and others enslaved as well, and black slavers as well. Then if we did want to go back further in history, sure, hebrews could go after Egyptians....hmmm....interesting concept...
Anyway, I would bet the real reason reparations even came into play recently is that leftists and Democrats are looking for any way possible to milk the evil rich people and the tax payers in general. It's more class and race warfare designed by Marxist socialists.
But what could be wrong with that kind of egalite? Well, making taxpayers pay would mean that all those black football heroes and rappers would be paying too....so, in all it just really ends up being Marxist redistribution for the sake of it under the guise of helping the less fortunate. The only way they could even get away with such a scheme is by playiing on the guilt of the bleeding heart liberal.

However, you were the one saying everyone needed to pay for crimes, and undo was merely bringing into focus the crazy schemes some people come up with to bring some sort of justice created by those engaged in the social engineering du jour.

But you know what? I have heard for years that TPTB would crash the economy. They seem to have various ways of achieving that, since there is no one key which would do it all at once, there are too many sectors to work on to achieve that. Seems to be that the Cloward Piven model of overwhelming the system with welfare is part of it, crashing the market in 08 with so called collapse of housing market(and who oversaw fannie and freddie saying it was all okie dokie??why it was Barney Frank) and all the baillouts combined with Obama style hope and change and talking about taking 401ks and so on, made people rip their money out of the stocks to protect their savings. Whoever didn't got their life savings ripped from them literally overnight. Prolonged recession, Soros manipulation of the currency....
and now a protest which is being done ostensibly in favor of "the people",,,,and I'm entirely suspicious of the organizers....Adbusters getting financing from the Soros machine.

In the end, you have to have some way of bringing the leaders to justice

reply to post by bjarneorn


you didn't say just leaders, you said from the bottom up and the top down. arbitrarily killing people illegally because you've personally decided you don't like them or what they stand for is, well, not a good thing. what if you don't honestly know what they stand for? the potential for mistakes is so big, it's like a huge disaster just waiting to happen.

ok first i apologies in advance i'm new here and could't find the proper place to post this video and i believe that it needs to be shown!! It's very disturbing. iIf someone could repost it in the proper thread it would be very much appreciated. thanx.

Bahrain police trap people in a garage and set fire to it - 23 Sept 2011

NYPD busy rounding up political dissidents whole rapists and murderers are left to roam the streets.

This is what Wall Street is doing while people protest :



Peaceful protests won't solve anything until they start blocking the entrance of banks/roads on Wall Street or something like that.

Occupying banks, stuff like that.

You don't bring signs and slogans to fight a tyranny.

This sits pretty fine with me. I'm all for this goal the protesters have and think they are achieving, but it seems to me like a lot of them are almost trying to antagonize the police so they have something to film. The operator/s of the camera strike me as just typical, ignorant people. The police are trying to do their duty and don't need to push through people to get the job done, or to be advised on how tight cuffs are, or told that it is their responsibility to seek medical attention for these people. Half the reason the "issues" being filmed are happening is because there are people in the way, filming and it adds urgency and stress to the situation.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

The poster was likely referring to"reparations", the concept that white people enslaved the blacks, so white people should pay the black people back for what their ancestors collectively did to them during the colonial period when slavers imported them to work on the plantations. But guess what? There were Irish and others enslaved as well, and black slavers as well.

I more or less, understood what he was going for ... but, I was trying to hint at that people generally don't know the entire story. I understand, that people refer to the mass enslaving of the black, towards America, by the british ... but there is a lot, they don't teach you in school.

If we take this part, as an example ...

Enslaving has been done for thousands of years, dating back before the romans. All the way, into the 19th century, Arabs did human slave trade in the middle-east, and they even traded caucasian men, women and children. When the english started their exploring in the world, and were racing the spanish at this. They did go to north Africa, and Africa major. The sight that they saw, was not pretty ... it still exists today. People were dying, by the millions, more or less unable to take care of themselves. At this time and date, people did not know that a fly called "tutsu" was the main reason for the people there, not being able to help themselves. It was blamed on the country, tribal wars, etc ... the british, in reality, made the decision as a humanitarian aid. Sure, there were a lot of interrests in the decision, but the key element, that was in favor of the mass transplanting of africans to America, was for humanitarian needs. Yes, yes ... I know, there was need for mass employees there ... which weighed a lot in the decision.

So, not all these decisions are made with bad intent ... and now, hundreds of years later, the tutsu fly is still being battled to aid people in being able to support themselves. Tribal wars still exist, and mass deaths are still reality ...

Now, the mass transplantation of the irish, was done for similar reasons. For over a thousand years, the british and the irish had been fighting, and the irish were not about to give in. They're a proud, and stubborn people, just like the scots. So the british took it upon themselves to move them by the millions, to New Zealand, Australia and America. They also needed people of "gaelic-english" descent in these territories, to make their claim on it.

And when the spanish killed the Aztecs and the Incas, it was because doing trade did not suffice. The Aztecs thought cutting hearts out of the Spanish, was a good deed ... freeing their souls, from their bodies. I don't think anyone of us, would concurr.

But when the US Government, decided to pay money for indian scalps, it was done for the same reason as the legislation to hunt buffaloes. To rid the territories of the indians. When they gave pinkerton, the right to murder chinese, they did so because they feared that Chinese would enmass in America, and threaten their territorial claim.

When the US Government went to war after 9/11, it was to take revenge.

So, you see ... you have to look, at the reasons for the act, not merely the act itself. The legilisation of moving blacks, by the british, was abandoned when it was known that its effect was negative. But the moving of the irish, was not ...

So, blaming things on "caucasians", is in reality a statement of ignorance ...

reply to post by omarm1984


What I dont get is this. It is clearly obvious beyond any reasonable doubt that the police force in the US is corrupt to the core. This is not simply the act of a few rogue cops. Yet the American people are not doing anything about it. I hear them bang on about these unconstitutional laws that have been passed, and the corruption of the fed and government, yet very few of them are exercising their constitutional right to remove tyranny from their midst.

The American people need to lead the way in getting rid of the monsters that are destroying this planet, only that would shock the rest of the world into realising theres a serious problem, and taking action. But unfortunately I dont see that happening in my lifetime, which no doubt will be shortened by the evils that the western governments are inflicting upon the world in the name of "democracy".

reply to post by Jepic


Though you are right in a way but if you move to quickly to violence all you will do is alienate the public and get yourself killed. Need to peacefully demonstrate and get beaten by police and then it needs to be shown to the public as to get support. Even with this all happening, the way the American public thinks which is "every man for himself" which is to say the government will have to do many bad things over many years to get public opinion over to the side of the just. I am sorry to say this but before anything changes we would have to see more then thirty to fifty percent of the public out of work homeless and destitute and even then it will still be hard to get a revolution! If we ever do have a time where TPTB see they are loosing control, we will see an utter devestation of america by the Military Industrial Complex whether through viral, false flag or economic turmoil, this is what will happen IMHO! I would love to see our world change through peaceful demonstration but it did'nt happen in the 60s and it wont happen now. You can call me a doomsayer but I feel we have a long way to go before our world changes for the better! God help us all cause I no longer have any faith in the ability of men!

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom

Though you are right in a way but if you move to quickly to violence all you will do is alienate the public and get yourself killed. Need to peacefully demonstrate and get beaten by police and then it needs to be shown to the public as to get support. Even with this all happening, the way the American public thinks which is "every man for himself" which is to say the government will have to do many bad things over many years to get public opinion over to the side of the just. I am sorry to say this but before anything changes we would have to see more then thirty to fifty percent of the public out of work homeless and destitute and even then it will still be hard to get a revolution!

Absolutely, I 100% concurr ... which is why you have to resolv to focused violence. If you take a look at history, you will see this economic sitution over and over again. WWI, WWII ... both result from a similar economic situation. There were mass unemployments to over 30 and 40 percentiles in many places.

During the 60's you had a lot of baby booming, and freedom movements, that caused people to abandon Vietnam. But look 40 years later, the same "interrest" group comes to power again, but this time the MSM is under wraps and can't report the massacres, like was done about Mai Lai, as an example.

Violence is the only solution, and always will be. This is why we've been having wars in the first place ... we're always fighting similar things, and the public is mainly people with average intellect and can't see anything, at all. But in reality, you don't want to bring the violence to the people, because that will only make things messy ... it will only bring death, deceases and massacres. It's not who does the massacres, nor against whome. It's a terrible mistake, that people today think that unless a massacre is done against the jews, it's not really bad ... and it's also a very bad thing, that people think, that unless your german, you can't be a nazi ... these words and phenomenas have been picturized in the public brain, in such a manner that it causes a certain interpretation, where only the correlation "jew" or "german" makes the real connection. Sad, but true ... remember, the 60's and 70's are just blamed on "acid" trips.

So, you always have to get downto violence ... and you always have to make heads fly, like in the french and russian revolution. But, it would be better to skip the fighting ... and go directly to the beheading, and you always need a Robes Pierre.

It is essential, because if you view history, you will discover that the people are held down by enslavement, enslaved by their own hunger and fear, and need. It's a system which has been handed down through generations, and it has always caused centuries of enslavement of the public, and corrupt empires. And whenever these empires are destroyed, it causes the freedom of the people and freedom to evolve ... mankind has always thrived through these situations. And out has come major advancement, until the same thing happens again, as the rich protect their riches against the advancements of the people.

Violence, is necessary.

reply to post by bjarneorn


just based on your reaction to even the slightest difference of opinion, on a topic as important as whether you should encourage people to arbitrarily kill others in a revolution or not, tells me that you're not thinking clearly about this. you're saying revolt and beheadings like in france? you realize what they did in france? that wasn't a revolt. they were disembowelling people and chopped off people's heads just because they had anything of value. this is not how you solve the world's problems.

P.S. don't over-react again. this is a discussion, not a sword fight in a video game. if you don't want anyone to offer their opinions, don't post on a forum that encourages opinions. in addition, if there were no difference of opinions on this thread, it wouldn't have made it as far as it has and wouldn't have gotten as much attention as it did.
(i can't believe you're calling for the deaths of real people and find it offensive that other real people would be upset by that concept.)