Liberals?
Or Ralph Nader and some of his looney friends?
Seems a broad brush you paint with.

Originally posted by FallenWun
Liberals?
Or Ralph Nader and some of his looney friends?
Seems a broad brush you paint with.

Not me.

From the OP.

No shooting the messenger please.

And how in anyone's mind are these people (from the OP) not liberals?

Mr. Nader and Mr. West are joined by Christ Townsend, of the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, and Brent Blackwelder, president emeritus of Friends of the Earth.

But you may also have sort of a point in that these liberals could also be "loons".

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by FallenWun
Liberals?
Or Ralph Nader and some of his looney friends?
Seems a broad brush you paint with.

Not me.

From the OP.

No shooting the messenger please.

And how in anyone's mind are these people (from the OP) not liberals?

Mr. Nader and Mr. West are joined by Christ Townsend, of the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, and Brent Blackwelder, president emeritus of Friends of the Earth.

But you may also have sort of a point in that these liberals could also be "loons".

edit on 9/19/2011 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)

All liberals are loons. I say that because if a liberal were actually intellectually honest when considering their beliefs, they would see that they have never worked, nor will they ever work. They would see how liberalism destroys freedom, liberty, equality and fairness in regards to opportunity, and private property rights. Personally I believe that most liberals realize that their ideology does all of the above, and yet they still push their agenda.

Originally posted by centurion1211


This is pretty shocking news and even more bad news for obama's re-election campaign. Really hasn't happened before to a sitting president.

Sure it has. Reagan challenged sitting President Ford for the nomination and got very very close to unseating him. It was 1187 to 1070, pretty close.

Although these next examples are not primary challenges against a sitting president, it also can be argued that Nader is responsible for electing Bush. The vote for Nader in Florida was more than the spread between Bush and Gore. I think it is fair to say that had Nader not been in the race, his votes would have gone to Gore, not Bush. Same thing happened in New Hampshire. Nader got 22,000 votes where Bush beat Gore by 7,000 votes. Same thing happened earlier with Clinton receiving 43 percent of the popular vote against Bush's 37 percent and Perot's 19%. Perot's votes would have gone to Bush, not Clinton.

So Nader & Company could potentially be a real problem for Obama if the race is close, which it looks like it might be. The bigger issue is if this idea actually gets bigger. One of the Chicago papers just suggested Obama step aside. If the "Draft Hillary" movement leaves the station things could change drastically. If I were on the right I would encourage the former possibility and be very afraid of the latter. If I were in Obama's camp I would fear both.

Originally posted by centurion1211


This is pretty shocking news...

You don't spend much time talking to 'liberals', do you?

He's not a leftist, he's a middle-of-the-road kind of politician. I know implementing common sense legislation is completely out of the question for right-wing nutjobs, but he's a centrist and governs from the center. Whether you like it or not.