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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by akushla99
You were talking about the unfortunates, with the implication that knowing the name, Jesus was too much to demand.
I ain't the one spouting the saved, or not-saved schpiel!
I was asking how the deaf and dumb are saved, the implication being that they can not hear or say, Jesus.
If this is not how they are saved, then what?
I guess your answer is Jesus is irrelevant and has nothing to do with being saved or not.
Thank you for your permission. I will continue on with my religion.
Originally posted by GeistMelange
reply to post by jmdewey60
::Facepalm:: never mind, play your game
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by akushla99
I'm talking about people who quote the New Testament and insert the Hebrew letters in where it says God and Jesus and then act like you are evil for using the Bible as it is.
If you can not get than, I don't know what to tell you.
You are joining in, whether or not you think it is cool or fun.
I'm not sure exactly what your intentions are but they don't seem pure.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
My Bible says "Jesus", does yours ?
Do you watch movies or hear stories where demons are cast out in the name of Jesus?
Do you ever wonder if people who do not say or write, Jesus, but some Hebrew or Aramaic name instead, are demon possessed?
Thank you for joining the party.
there is nothing i hate worse than a person who refuses to use facts to make up their mind about things. gut feelings are no substitute for knowledge.
Originally posted by akushla99
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by akushla99
You were talking about the unfortunates, with the implication that knowing the name, Jesus was too much to demand.
I ain't the one spouting the saved, or not-saved schpiel!
I was asking how the deaf and dumb are saved, the implication being that they can not hear or say, Jesus.
If this is not how they are saved, then what?
I guess your answer is Jesus is irrelevant and has nothing to do with being saved or not.
No...you have been the one who is quite sure of the saved/not saved issue...i have been responding to your claim that saying the name, indeed, according to you, the proper name, was a requirement for keeping you from a locum you like to call hell.
My response to this, was to question your requirement, since not everyone can hear, see, speak, understand, read, etc etc etc...therefore excluding these people from savedness, to which I responded...UTTER, UTTER, RUBBISH.
And then I proceeded to ask you a series of questions based on what you have written that are procedurally wrong...i.e. That God created everything...but not the devil...didn't get an answer to this one! I know the answer, which I then proceeded to reveal to you...I also asked you how you would describe what happens when humanity, through the glorious gift of FREE WILL, then acts on this FREE WILL...didn't get a satisfactory answer to this one! I know the answer, which I have revealed over a series of posts.
What I have revealed is entirely consistent with ANY cosmology you wish to nominate...
GOD is not a GOD of exclusion...this is NOT the GOD of LOVE...
Any form of exclusion coming from the mouths of men, is spurious and should never be believed. The fact that you would believe that you needed a password to enter heaven is an indication that there is indeed exclusion.
Now...i do believe there is exclusion! But, this exclusion comes about through the FREE WILL to be excluded...at this time, or whenever...because a LOVING GOD allows his creation to respond and react to other creation according to FREE WILL. This precept has never been lifted...it is a condition of our spirit...it is also a double edged sword, since the FREE WILL to perpetrate carries with it, the balancing of the action somewhere along the line...ever asked yourself why some people have quite 'easy' lives and others don't?
You really do have a gall, guessing my answer, based on your interpretation of what I am saying, based on responses to the OP.
What I hear you saying, is, that If you do not pronounce the name Jesus in the right manner (which then becomes a problem for those who cannot speak), they are going to hell...do you know how ridiculous and haughty this sounds?
Akushla