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People Who Pronounce and Spell the Name of Jesus In Weird Old Testament Variants are Going to Hell

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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by pthena
 

Even if the first pretends to rejoice in Jesus, usually using a name that really means 'Yahweh, giver of law, is my only master'
If you don't mind me borrowing part of your post here.
I would like to use this quote to illustrate why I think we need to obey God in the New Testament to say, "Jesus is Lord".
If you use the Hebrew name, you are actually saying Jesus is not your Lord, but you are the servant of the Lord of Hosts who commands death and utter destruction.
Saying that Hebrew name causes you to be inviting the spirit of hate into your soul.


You have got to be kidding. Christ is the Lord of Hosts, or God of the angels. In Joshua 5 it's Him leading the battle at Jericho.

The only thing I "hate" in life is liver and water chestnuts.




posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jmdewey60

Jesus is divine, which means, good.
Saying Jesus is the Old Testament version of a god is fine with me but linking Jesus to the genocidal murderer god, (or angel, properly) of Sinai, is a despicable act, in my opinion. Saying he is one in the same, I believe, dooms you to Hell. I believe you have accepted a demon.


Divineeducation.yahoo.com...
ADJECTIVE:
di·vin·er, di·vin·est

Having the nature of or being a deity.
Of, relating to, emanating from, or being the expression of a deity: sought divine guidance through meditation.
Being in the service or worship of a deity; sacred.
Superhuman; godlike.
Supremely good or beautiful; magnificent: a divine performance of the concerto.
Extremely pleasant; delightful: had a divine time at the ball.
Heavenly; perfect.

By saying good, that makes Him merely good but not enough. The word Divine when used in the context of Jesus is that He is perfect and godlike.

We say He is more than godlike because He was all the fulness of the godhead bodily. You know, you made feel sorry for you when I was unsure of what your argument was and I thought I had really hurt your feelings. Now I see you have gone back to the same theology from the beginning of your post. You are not only Reform Theology, you are Replacement Theology. You were the one who introduced the topic of predestination telling us that some may not agree with it. I responded that I don't agree with it within the context of TULIP, which you did not deny as ascribing to. Now I am seeing your theology much more clearer.

Jesus is the Son of the Living God, the one that Peter understood that spoke to Moses and said "Take off thy shoes Moses for the ground on which thou standest is holy ground" That holy ground was Sinai. When God said to go down to Egypt to speak to pharaoh, Moses asked "Whom shall I tell them sent me" and God answered "Tell them I AM sent thee".

“He that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him” (Heb. 11:6).

What was this God that Paul, a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin was talking about? He Is. Do you need to understand more? God IS. That goes back to "I AM".

You are of an anti-christ spirit because you deny the Father of the Son. Jesus said "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father". What Father was He referring to? The same God of Sinai who taught Moses the Song of Victory over Amelek, and the Song of Moses is what the redeemed in heaven are going to be singing in heaven.

The Song of Moses.



1. (1-5) First stanza: The Lord is a man of war.
Then Moses and the children of Israel sang this song to the Lord, and spoke, saying:
"I will sing to the Lord,
For He has triumphed gloriously!
The horse and its rider He has thrown into the sea!
The Lord is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation;
He is my God, and I will praise Him;
My father's God, and I will exalt Him.
The Lord is a man of war;
The Lord is His name.
Pharaoh's chariots and his army He has cast into the sea;
His chosen captains also are drowned in the Red Sea.
The depths have covered them;
They sank to the bottom like a stone."

That is merely the first stanza.

Rev.15: 1: And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2: And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3: And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
4: Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
5: And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

What God was they all referring to?



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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"God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Exodus 3:14


"That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins."

John 8:24


"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

John 8:58



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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If you don't mind me borrowing part of your post here.
I would like to use this quote to illustrate why I think we need to obey God in the New Testament to say, "Jesus is Lord".

Feel free.I think 'Lord' is very much the same as master. Can't really have two masters.


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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by autowrench
 

Different groups of early Christians maintained their own oral traditions of [Jesus wisdom,] as writing was a very specialized skill in those times, and not every fellowship enjoyed the services of a Scribe. So, many traditions were in oral form.When written accounts of the teachings began to circulate, the independent groups would supplement them with their own traditions, each believing their own versions to be "the true Gospel."
My impression from reading the Gospels is that there was an overabundance of scribes, who had too much time on their hands so they went around judging people.


VERY MUCH LIKE PEOPLE DO NOW!

Akushla



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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"The appearances of the angel of the Lord cease after the incarnation of Christ. Angels are mentioned numerous times in the New Testament, but “the angel of the Lord” is never mentioned in the New Testament. It is possible that appearances of the angel of the Lord were manifestations of Jesus before His incarnation. Jesus declared Himself to be existent “before Abraham” (John 8:58), so it is logical that He would be active and manifest in the world. Whatever the case, whether the angel of the Lord was a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ (Christophany) or an appearance of God the Father (theophany), it is highly likely that the phrase “the angel of the Lord” usually identifies a physical appearance of God."


Angel of the Lord?



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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In Greek Jesus equals IESOUS which comes from the Hebrew Yeshua. Really need to work on your manners and decorum. If God is watching he is watching you judging others in his name and I doubt he is happy.
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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Wish there was a down vote thing on this forum, the OP is, i dont know, stupid people just frustrate me, he's obviously trolling well i hope he is for his sake. Sort of reminds me of that murphys law 'never argue with an idiot......



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by Sahabi

Originally posted by jmdewey60
My Bible says "Jesus", does yours ?
Do you watch movies or hear stories where demons are cast out in the name of Jesus?
Do you ever wonder if people who do not say or write, Jesus, but some Hebrew or Aramaic name instead, are demon possessed?


My friend....
I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that you fail to understand the concepts of Love, Understanding, Forgiveness, and Compassion. I feel sorry that you fail to understand the two greatest commandments of Jesus (Love God with all your heart and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself -Matthew 22:36-40). I feel sorry that you choose to be opposite in character to Jesus by being judgmental and condemning for mere minor offenses. I feel sorry that through your spiritual path, you have failed to build uniting love inside yourself, instead of separation and superiority.

I thought you were a lot more kind, and more spiritually advanced than this thread and title. It's your belief, who am I to condemn?
I'm not sure if you make this claim but for the sake of the discussion, let's say you are a Christian, and not just an ordinary pew warmer type, but someone who really wants to follow Jesus. You look at your Bible to see if Jesus gives any instruction on what sort of thing you should do to follow him, and you see the command to have as priority one, to cast out demons. So you decide that if Jesus said so, you should do it. Now you are all of a sudden a full blown exorcist on a mission. How do you find the demons to cast out and how do you treat the demon when you find it?
Would you in your exorcist mode seem very loving and nonjudgmental? My guess would be that if someone randomly came across you while driving out a demon, they would think you ill mannered and uncivilized, and just awful, and not a gentleman.
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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by Sahabi

Originally posted by jmdewey60
My Bible says "Jesus", does yours ?
Do you watch movies or hear stories where demons are cast out in the name of Jesus?
Do you ever wonder if people who do not say or write, Jesus, but some Hebrew or Aramaic name instead, are demon possessed?


My friend....
I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that you fail to understand the concepts of Love, Understanding, Forgiveness, and Compassion. I feel sorry that you fail to understand the two greatest commandments of Jesus (Love God with all your heart and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself -Matthew 22:36-40). I feel sorry that you choose to be opposite in character to Jesus by being judgmental and condemning for mere minor offenses. I feel sorry that through your spiritual path, you have failed to build uniting love inside yourself, instead of separation and superiority.

I thought you were a lot more kind, and more spiritually advanced than this thread and title. It's your belief, who am I to condemn?
I'm not sure if you make this claim but for the sake of the discussion, let's say you are a Christian, and not just an ordinary pew warmer type, but someone who really wants to follow Jesus. You look at your Bible to see if Jesus gives any instruction on what sort of thing you should to to follow him, and you see the command to have as priority one, to cast out demons. So you decide that if Jesus said so, you should do it. Now you are all of a sudden a full blown exorcist on a mission. How do you find the demons to cast out and how do you treat the demon when you find it?
Would you in your exorcist mode seem very loving and nonjudgmental? My guess would be that if someone randomly came across you while driving out a demon, they would think you ill mannered and uncivilized, and just awful, and not a gentleman.


Excellent excuse...lame...pathetic


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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Apparently you didn't read the bible enough or remember any of it, much less ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in learning the truth of what you read. You should get your nose out of that satanic bible and read the teachings that Jesus left for us and stop being a false prophet. It was the Lords will for us to come together and fellowship with eachother, and that is in the bible, not go all maverick and solo.

Meh, whatever dude. I'm done quibbling with you. I'm content to let you go on living the delusions you live in because you refuse to hear the truth from the Lord. Not to mention you antagonize your brothers in Christ and try to divide and conquer just like Satan does which makes me wonder if you truly do believe in Jesus, because a true believer doesnt seek to split his brothers apart and cause turmoil, which is exactly what you do.
So what part of this post is on topic? The part about, satanic Bible? You think the Bible is satanic? Wow!
You know that this is an internet discussion forum and no Christians need to be on here at all, so if any feel threatened by my posts, then your life can continue on quite normally by just not directing your web browser to this page. The reason you and your compatriots do not quit this sub-forum is because you want to preach and dictate your doctrines onto the other people on here, even when they ask that you stay off their thread.
Being obnoxious, I would like to inform you, is not a way to win souls. You may get congratulations but it is from the choir. If you are like Christ, you would defend you belief without complaint. You indicate no christ-like virtues to me and I have no pangs of conscience to refute your error, just like you have no problem making pronouncements on people you believe in error.

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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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Meh, whatever dude. I'm done quibbling with you. I'm content to let you go on living the delusions you live in because you refuse to hear the truth from the Lord. Not to mention you antagonize your brothers in Christ and try to divide and conquer just like Satan does which makes me wonder if you truly do believe in Jesus, because a true believer doesnt seek to split his brothers apart and cause turmoil, which is exactly what you do.




"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."



Proverbs 6:16-19



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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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We are not told to go out to the apostate Christians.

Sounds very cult-like, like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Bull JM, in Christ's Prodigal Son story the older brother knew his brother was in trouble and didn't try and help him. He knew enough about his brother's activities to tell dad what he had been up to, but he didn't offer him a hand up out of the pigpen back to the Father's house, back to love and fellowship with Him. He wasn't an extension of his Father's love toward his brother.
"Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."
James 5:20

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Sinner.
James is talking about a believer who starts doing sinful things, not someone who is no longer a believer.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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We are not told to go out to the apostate Christians.

Sounds very cult-like, like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Bull JM, in Christ's Prodigal Son story the older brother knew his brother was in trouble and didn't try and help him. He knew enough about his brother's activities to tell dad what he had been up to, but he didn't offer him a hand up out of the pigpen back to the Father's house, back to love and fellowship with Him. He wasn't an extension of his Father's love toward his brother.
"Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."
James 5:20

Sinner.
James is talking about a believer who starts doing sinful things, not someone who is no longer a believer.


Sin is sin, returning a sinner to God is what's expected.
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extra DIV



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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We are not told to go out to the apostate Christians.

Sounds very cult-like, like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Bull JM, in Christ's Prodigal Son story the older brother knew his brother was in trouble and didn't try and help him. He knew enough about his brother's activities to tell dad what he had been up to, but he didn't offer him a hand up out of the pigpen back to the Father's house, back to love and fellowship with Him. He wasn't an extension of his Father's love toward his brother.
"Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."
James 5:20

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Sinner.
James is talking about a believer who starts doing sinful things, not someone who is no longer a believer.


Isn't it a sin to believe and then not believe? (Not attacking those who no longer believe, just going by Orthodoxy of Christianity.)

I forgot that was a post on a different subject. Sorry about that one. You were not the one who introduced predestination. Please forgive my error on that.
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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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You don't even remember the lie you told, typical.
Little clue, it had nothing to do with Hebrew.

Do you even go to a church?
Is the nonsense that you spew your own or was it learned from another?
This is a little game where there is this secret lie, or a secret unanswered question. It is a boring game I am not in the least bit interested in.
I don't go to church right at the moment and I have my reasons which are personal.
If you can think of someone I might have gotten my material from, let me know.
You don't have anything to offer to the topic and only make personal attacks.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Well, isn't that just funny, that I would just be making up that there are such people who teach that the "real" name of Jesus is some Aramaic or Hebrew name and that the Bible is wrong.

You're 100% wrong, and virtually everyone here is telling you the same thing. His name is Jesus. It's also Iseus. It's Yahshua.
God's name is YHWH. Jesus is God's manifestation in flesh. Yahshua = YAH saves. You refuse to deal with this fact. His translated name, since we do have a "J" sound in English would be "Joshua". Whatever name people use for the Son of God it's still His life, death, and resurrection that delivers us.
It still comes down to, I have the Bible, and you have speculation.
That is not God's name, it is something an angel said in response to a request for its name, so even if it was a name, it was of the angel, not God. The angel was talking about itself. It said, In the past I have appeared to your fathers, as one form of God and name, but now I am appearing to you as myself, who I am.
And, Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is a man who was pointed out and given a sort of anointing by The Baptist and given the Holy Spirit and declared to be, The Son, by a thunderous voice from heaven, taken by some to have been God, Himself.
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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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So what happens to all those who read the NT written in Hebrew?
Again where in the NT does it back your claims?
Instead of telling me a cultist opinion, PROVE it to me that this is a true fact.
If you can't back it with scripture then you are a false prophet.

Line is drawn in the sand son, enough of the go around and time to man up.

If not then it is time to shut up.
I covered that twice already but am happy enough to repeat it. The language called Hebrew and in use today as a conversational mode of speech was invented to be the official state language for Israel, where they burn New Testaments, so there is no Hebrew New Testaments.
Throughout the New Testament, the name used for Jesus, is, Jesus.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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As I know you are aware, the Greek for of a name is conjugated-- something we do not do in English; and so how a name is presented has to do with the part of speech-- usually as an object of a preposition ("of"). I blame the Tower of Babel for any mistakes we may make with the Name of Jesus-- if those errors are made in good faith. (grin)
I'm not trying to be all nit picky and I understand how different languages have to deal with translations. I am, as you understand, talking about intentionally changing something long established, for a purpose, and I think it is a jealousy for monopolizing the prestige that comes with being God, something the real God would have no interest in.



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