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People Who Pronounce and Spell the Name of Jesus In Weird Old Testament Variants are Going to Hell

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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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I did not see that particular post that someone made so I don't have time to go back through and find it. But we have to understand something about the disciples and apostles. They were all Jewish. They taught through the Jewish perspective and even the Book of Revelation is complete with Jewish imagery.

For instance, we see Jesus described as holding the seven candlesticks. In our Hellenized understanding, we think those are single candlesticks, but it is not, it is the menorah found in every Jewish home (I would think), and in every synagogue. It was in the Holy of Holies. This is an image that Timothy, a Greek-Jew Christian would have understood because Timothy's mother and grandmother were converted Christians but were also called Jewish because they were Jewish by ethnicity.

The paganization of Christianity came by Roman influence The Council of Nicea was part of the Holy Roman Empire but the leaders who came there were from all parts of the known world of the time. Greek was the official language of business, but not the official language of localized churches. The seven churches in Asia were in what we call Turkey today. I think in the time the Bible was written, Turkey was actually called Anatolia.

What we have from Paul is not Paul himself writing it, but he had people who were taking the notes of what he said, he authorized it and then sent it on to the particular church he wanted it sent to. It is not unreasonable to assume these were Greek writers taking letters to churches that just happened to be Greek speaking. I think the Church at Rome spoke Latin and Peter knew Latin. These were by no means ignorant or unintellectual men. Peter, in his lifetime, lived as a Jew speaking Hebrew in the temple, Aramaic among his friends and Latin when dealing with the Romans. He lived under Roman occupation. He never lived under Greek occupation.

So the Nicean Council gave us a New Testament book that people today only read perhaps 10 books from. They ignore James and Peter in favor of Paul.




posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by daikaiju
Wow, this is still going on?

I figured this thread debunked due to the fact that there is no biblical backing to the OP statement.


It is the OP's opinion and nothing more.


Where in the Bible does it say the OP cannot have an opinion?

Where in the Bible does it say you are allowed one?



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
My Bible says "Jesus", does yours ?
Do you watch movies or hear stories where demons are cast out in the name of Jesus?
Do you ever wonder if people who do not say or write, Jesus, but some Hebrew or Aramaic name instead, are demon possessed?


In my Bible it says "Let he without sin cast the first stone" stop judging others, you have no right and are not qualified.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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How about millions of Spanish speakers, who pronounce the name "Jesus" as "Hey-zeus"? Are they all going to Hell?? I think not. No, I know not.
edit on 19-9-2011 by Lazarus Short because: lah-de-dah



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
My Bible says "Jesus", does yours ?
Do you watch movies or hear stories where demons are cast out in the name of Jesus?
Do you ever wonder if people who do not say or write, Jesus, but some Hebrew or Aramaic name instead, are demon possessed?


That right there is the problem in a nutshell

movies+stories=truth




posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Prezbo369

Originally posted by jmdewey60
My Bible says "Jesus", does yours ?
Do you watch movies or hear stories where demons are cast out in the name of Jesus?
Do you ever wonder if people who do not say or write, Jesus, but some Hebrew or Aramaic name instead, are demon possessed?


That right there is the problem in a nutshell

movies+stories=truth



I think The Exorcist began all that, then the Amityville Horror. Two classic movies that scared some people almost to death. When I was 7 years-old, my father went to see the Exorcist when it came out in the theater. I remember the new reports of people passing out in theaters and people throwing up in the aisles. Those movies spoke something into the collective understanding that we had about demons and evil. My dad was terrified of everything for some time after that. But since then our society has been bombarded by so much horror that we are desensitized to it.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Frira

Originally posted by daikaiju
Wow, this is still going on?

I figured this thread debunked due to the fact that there is no biblical backing to the OP statement.


It is the OP's opinion and nothing more.


Where in the Bible does it say the OP cannot have an opinion?

Where in the Bible does it say you are allowed one?


When the OP tries to cast opinion as dogma, backing is needed or he is just leading others astray.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Headband7
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it all goes back to Constantine imposing Christianity on everyone in Rome and it's territories. Back even farther to Nero burning Rome to blame it on the Christians to bring their cult religion to light, back to the seige of Jerusalem and the exiling/killing of the Jews there so they could not rufute these new Christian ideas. In short there is only God one above all, call him whatever you want.


Your time line is a mess!

* First was Nero, who burned Christians, crucified Christians and threw Christains to the dogs-- for being Christian. He was certainly not involved with any plot to further the Gospel.

* Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans who worshiped the Emperor-- and other gods-- not by Christians. In 70 AD, the Christians were scattered with the Jews, little or no distinction made between them.

* Finally, of your "examples," about two hundred years after Nero, Constantine did not impose Christianity-- he merely made it legal for the first time in the Roman controlled Empire. Prior To Constantine, the Christians (and the Jews) had suffered wave after wave of State sponsored persecution.

But to you, making Christianity legal is the same as imposing it? Yeah. I hear that hate speech all the time.

* Another couple of hundred years pass, and it is the Muslim's being killed by the (pagan) animists.

* Another century or so and the Muslims are killing the Christians and Jews for being Christian and Jews.

* More centuries pass and the Christian crusades take place is response to the Turks.

So, who exactly, has their skirts clean in history?

Oh, "History?" you ask? It refers to a subject with which you are unfamiliar. I, however, recommend it.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Perfect example of how religion is great at starting arguments!


Religion is pretty good at starting wars too, and keeping those wars going. Right now we have Yahweh in one corner, and Allah in the other. It's a Title fight. The Christians wish to wipe out the Muslims, and the Muslims want to wipe out the Christians. Each wants a One World Religion. Sound a little New World Order to you?

Muslims believe Muhammed was the last prophet. Christians don't believe Muhammed is the last prophet. And Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah and don't believe Muhammed was Ahmed (the last prophet).

Muslims say that they are a very peaceful people and that Muslims will never hurt somebody, unless somebody hurts them.

Christians say that they are a very peaceful people and that Christians will never hurt somebody, unless somebody hurts them.

And yet these two have been fighting each other since Biblical Times. Both are filled with hate for the other, each sees the other as working for Satan. Each wants you to choose one or the other, and by the way, any OTHER religion is just wrong, and is Demonic and Satanist, so better stay away.

I just wish each would kill off the other so we can all live in Peace for awhile. It is said the meek will Inherit the Earth, and neither of these two religions are meek about killing each other.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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You sir are obviously a Troll! Most certainly no bible scholar at all... you do not seem to know a thing about the book, other than what your one new living testament edition tells you.... you think Yeshua Jesus Yahweh Jehovah is white I bet...the underlying connotations of your thread seem to point toward the fact that you do not believe that Jesus was a Hebrew or spoke Hebrew... why that is important to you I do not know, first he was Sumerian, second no way the dude was white, third he most likely spoke, Greek, Hebrew, Sumerian, and Latin, he was educated as a Rabbi.
Your OP doesn't bring one line of text that suggests you are right. you have not brought anything to the table through out this thread other than in-congruent troll droppings, study your bible study the history of the time and use your intellect. Hell look up the Council of Micea the most ignored bit of the bibles history, the bible was voted vetted and changed to keep Rome from burning to the ground in a religious war...Man cannot vote on the word of god or Jesus divination...which is exactly what they did.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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If the intent is to avoid using the power of the Name, then to what end?
* Is it to mislead others so as to deny others the power?
* Is it to guard against invoking the power out of thoughtless familiarity?
* Is it to claim for oneself something new and mystical for reasons unrelated to the love of God?

Intent matters.

I see that no one yet has taken JMDs simple hint of doing a word search in the New Testament for 'angel'. Sad.

The intent is to deceive and bring back into bondage to the law, thus imprisoning people. Demon possession is a serious form of bondage, if that is the intent of the demon.


GAL 3:19 What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.

From Paul's perspective, since he was a bar mitzvah (son of law), he had been under the imprisoning power of the law, which had come from angels. Yahweh being an angel.


GAL 2:4 This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. 5 We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might remain with you.

Enter the spies, they are bound as prisoners of the law, possessed by a spirit of bondage from Yahweh. They do not say simply Yeshua or Jesus, they use the extended Yahoshua or such (Yahweh saves). Thus they pretend to believe that Jesus saves, but actually they proclaim that Yahweh saves.

How should people who do believe that Jesus saves react?


COL 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

Worshipping angels (even Yahweh), according to this writer of Colossians, will disqualify you from the prize.

These are my views on the subject. Bogus Christians, who know they are bogus, will be very careful to always use a name indicating their true allegiance to an angel, so as to please the angel, their true master.
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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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In Matthew 27:46 Jesus said: "E-li E-li lama sabachthani" that language is Aramaic...a very common language spoken when he lived here on Earth and also Hebrew was spoken too.

So ...if people pronounce Jesus in other languages...that is normal and acceptable and these people are not going to hell.

Also...you present yourself as a (religious fanatic).......you tell people they are going to hell and that they are demons etc.

Matthew 7: 1-2 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged."



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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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I AM JESHUA and I can't even get a response out of this guy.

It's amazing how he's arguing to the bitter end his point against everyone else in this thread, but can't give someone actually named Jeshua more than a worthless one line response. Does he actually think I'm evil just because of my name? Come on, can someone please ask me if I'm a demon so we can settle this thing once and for all?



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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"Yeshua!"

That's it then I guess im going to hell.

At least the climate there is hot.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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No, Hebrew was a liturgical language by the time of Jesus. Aramaic was the primary spoken and written language of most of Palestine at the time of course, but Hebrew was used in the temple at Jerusalem for the litergy. It was also taught in synagogues to boys about to make their bat mitvehs so that they could read the Torah in the sacred language, much as today.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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can someone please ask me if I'm a demon so we can settle this thing once and for all

The word 'demon' comes from a Greek root meaning 'of divine origin', therefore, if you come from God, you are a demon. So, are you a demon?



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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I get your point but...just HOW does that mean these folks are going to HELL? Where does it say in YOUR Bible please....that if one doesnt use JESUS...they are going to Hell because of it? Where exactly does it say that in the New Testament? Thanks



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Jesus/Yeshua was born of a hebrew woman,His name is Yeshua!
Jesus is the anglicized name of Yeshua.



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posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by daikaiju

Originally posted by Frira

Originally posted by daikaiju
Wow, this is still going on?

I figured this thread debunked due to the fact that there is no biblical backing to the OP statement.


It is the OP's opinion and nothing more.


Where in the Bible does it say the OP cannot have an opinion?

Where in the Bible does it say you are allowed one?


I acknowledge your point; however: Who would have bothered to read or discuss if the title of the thread had been, "May we discuss the usage of the variants of the name Jesus?"

If ATS members truly dislike sensational thread titles, then perhaps ATS people might start engaging the non-sensational titles?

Perhaps, JMD is simply making practical use of what is, rather than what ought to be?

When the OP tries to cast opinion as dogma, backing is needed or he is just leading others astray.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by LibertyLover
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No, Hebrew was a liturgical language by the time of Jesus. Aramaic was the primary spoken and written language of most of Palestine at the time of course, but Hebrew was used in the temple at Jerusalem for the litergy. It was also taught in synagogues to boys about to make their bat mitvehs so that they could read the Torah in the sacred language, much as today.
That is my definition of, a dead language.



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