Was Jesus Really Tempted by Satan?, page 7
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reply posted on 4-10-2011 @ 03:50 PM by Logarock
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Jesus spent 40 days fasting to fullfill the prophets moses and elijah....they also spend 40 days fasting. In addition to your points.


reply posted on 4-10-2011 @ 06:50 PM by JB1234
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Logarock is spot on. The Jews wanted Jesus to be their King to rise up and fight the Romans...the fact that he refused and what's more challenged their authority meant he was deemed an enemy of Caiphus and the Pharisees.

Why would Jesus stop Peter from hurting the Roman soldier further if he wanted his followers to fight the Romans also?

When the Jewish hierarchy tried to trick Jesus into sedition regarding taxes by showing him a denarius...his clever retort was to Pay what was due to Caesar to Caesar and to God what was due to God. They were stumped and couldn't argue with him.

Jesus also prophesised about the end of the Jewish system.... in Math 24. He told his disciples to read the signs and then act. Sure enough the zealouts, not the Christian by 66CE had caused their Roman overlords so much bother that they surrounded Jerusalem as recorded by Josephus independently. Jesus warned the Christians to flee to the mountains and escape the fate of that city. Suddenly Cestius Gallus withdrew for no apparent reason. This allowed Christians to put into action Jesus’ instructions: “Then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of [Jerusalem] withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her.” (Lu 21:20-22) Eusebius, in his Ecclesiastical History (III, V, 3), states that the Christians fled from Jerusalem and the whole land of Judea to a city of Perea that was called Pella

That again clearly seperated the Christians from the Jews and their revolt against the ruling authorities. If the Christians were leading the fight, why would Josephus, also have recorded their neutrality and stubborn refusal to take up any kind of military or political office.

Just like Jesus the early Christians.... ... " were no part of the world"


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reply posted on 5-10-2011 @ 01:58 PM by Sigismundus
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Hey Loga -

Let us not forget the clear apologetic tone in the Greek canonical ‘council approved’ Gospels which circulated in the Roman Empire (in order to make ‘converts’) ONLY AFTER the 1st Failed Jewish War against Rome (66-72 CE) –

The writers (or final editors) had to be very careful NOT to seem to retain any of the original seditionistic anti-Roman, anti-Gentile Judaean-Rebellion tone of their originally armed and violent Messiah Hero if they were to be allowed to be ‘read in the churches’ without Rome intervening – yet books like the so-called Book of Revelation still retain the clear image of a Militant Zionist-Warrior ‘I Hate The Gentiles’ Messiah—no wonder the book barely got into the canon in the west – it’s a wonder the violent ‘whips and cords’ Riot in the Court of the Gentiles ever was retained – but that story was softened too.

We can clearly discern this post-Jewish War ‘apologetic’ attitude in the canonical Greek-Gospels towards the Kittim (i.e. the Romans) whenever the story threatens to remind the audience of the Failed Jewish Revolt of 70 CE - – where various Aramaic sayings which had orally circulated coming out of the mouth of an Aramaic speaking ‘Yehoshua-Messiah’ much toned-down in his original violent ‘jihadist’ political vitriol against the Roman Occupation into which he was born –

In fact, many originally 'violence-leaning' Aramaic sayings in the earliest Nazorean Messianist oral tradition (before the Gospel WhiteWash Machine took them over into Greek) were eerilly like the kind of specific war-against-the-gentiles vocabuilary of the so-called Dead Sea Scrolls’ War Scroll at Qumran (1QM – i.e. Cave One Milkhama, or ‘War’) which likewise proclaims a Coming Kingdom of Heavan (i.e. of David) and likewise proclaimed that the Times of the Kittim (i.e. the gentile-goyim occupiers of eretz Yisro’el) ‘is now over…’ (i.e. ‘the days of the kittim are fulfilled…’)

We also can see the even in the gospel-whitewash-depictions of the Praefect of Judaea, the hand-washing Pontius Pilatus of the gospels which bear no resemblance to actual history at all –

In fact the deliberately toned down make-over image of Pilate into a "Mr Nice Guy ‘harmless & friendly Pontius Pilate" that we read in the "council Approved" Gospels is NOT the same picture we receive from contemporary sources who had access to actual eyewitnesses of this monster ‘in real-life..’ :

Here is what Philo of Alexandria (who lived c. BC 20 to c. AD 50) and who actually saw the man in the flesh in his numerous pilgrimages to Jerusalem and Caesarea in the 30s CE has to say about the actual personal-style of this Pontius Pilatus as he REALLY was, and not as some fanciful apologetic ‘soft on Rome’ canonical gospels portray him:

Philo's Legatio ad Gaium, (Legatio 299-305).

“Pontius Pilatus was a man by Nature of an inflexibly cruel and violently-stubborn disposition...and always deathly-afraid that an Embassy of Iudaean subjects might some day lodge a legal-complaint to the Emperor at Rome listing his many years of Criminal Abuses – he lived in absolute Terror as to what possible Retribution against him might result if any of his many Crimes against the Judaeans ever came out – which would pertain not only to his own personal Conduct as Praefect, but also implicating his entire Administration --his constant taking of Bribes, his pre-emptively brutal Squelching of Public-Protests, his vile habit of Stealing of large capital sums from the Sacred Temple Treasury [cf: the infamous ‘Jerusalem Aqueduct’ Project] his inhuman Abuses of Power, his frequent Summary Executions of Political Prisoners without the Benefit of Trial, & scores of examples of his vicious physical Assaults & willful savage behavior towards many of his subjects…’

--Philo's Legatio ad Gaium, (Legatio 299-305).

All this from a contemporay of Pilatus himself who saw things for himself & knew eyewitnesses to the man who actually lived in the flesh - unlike the later ‘soft on Rome’ Gospels which circulated (in Greek !) some 50 years after the 'events' they purport to relate & who clearly saw the need to soften Pilate's real-historical image - as well as that of R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (Gk. Iesous) who deliberately armed his disciples in 36 CE - with REAL swords that cut off REAL ears !! – Shock & Awe !! - during THE Insurrection (cf: ‘Mark’ chapter 15:4-7) on the 100th anniversary of the invasion of the Roman General Pompey’s armies in 63 BCE

Reading Philo’s (admittedly Zionist) perspective it seems that the Historical Pointius Pilatus is NOT the type of person who would give the ‘historical Yehoshua bar Yosef’ anything more than a ‘summary execution without Trial’ - especially when he learned that he was another Armed Galilean Daviddic Pretender as well !

Is this beginning to get clearer now? Or not ?!


reply posted on 5-10-2011 @ 02:00 PM by Logarock
reply to post by JB1234



We forgot the saying of Pilate "I find no fault in this man".


reply posted on 5-10-2011 @ 02:12 PM by Logarock
Originally posted by Sigismundus
reply to
post by Logarock

Hi LogaRock -


According to the 3 canonical Greek Synoptic Gospels (‘according to Matthew, Mark, Luke’ whoever they were) Jesus performed many ‘exorcisms by magical words’ of ‘those possessed by kako-daemons (i.e. evil spirits). Curiously perhaps, these daemon excorcism-incidents (“pericopes” complete with beginnings, middles and endings to them) are missing altogether from the 4th canonical Greek Gospel of 'John', whoever he was...



I wanted to add today in regards to these charges some comments recorded by Mark in the same area of his gospel you touched on.

They said in regard to Jesus casting out a demon and healing in the synagogue.......

"What new doctrine is this? With authority He commands the unclean spirits" and "we have never seen it in this fashion"

They were amazed at His power to simply order demons out without all the mumbo jumbo. And apparently the locals were not good at that anyway as the whole countryside was full of demon cases.

Not to mention that the demons themselves were crying out "you are the son of god".
edit on 5-10-2011 by Logarock because: sp



reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 12:49 AM by thomas007
Originally posted by windword
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post by SuperiorEd



I understand the metaphysical implication of the story and doctrines of Christianty, but I have a hard time believing that God would deliberately set Satan after Jesus. Clearly, according to the book of Job, Satan needs permission.



Hey OP there are many here who long to bash God Fearing Christians who believe in Jesus Christ as to your intention I am unsure but your tone has been polite compared to some lost soles here "Thank You".

There are other warning or heads up given by Paul and Peter regarding the Fire Trial one is about to partake in after there witness to The Revelation of Jesus Christ and they ought not to wonder about this strange thing occurring to them.

I perceive this trial is similar to Satins manifestation to Jesus however Paul and Peter warn about Angels longing to look in to these matters.

There is a spiritual manifestation from Heaven and Hell to those who have been given the Revelation of Jesus Christ and after they have proven where there heart abides they are forever changed.

I can say this with a truth God The Farther and Jesus Christ are able to deliver those who believe from trouble as well as show them salvation / favor in this world.
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