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Originally posted by FutureThinker
Nice Video, I am well aware of this, especially since I've been a member of ATS.
I don't post very much, after reading some of the other members comments, it's pretty clear that they are not even reading the OP at all, they read the Headline and the first few words of the OP and then make some rude comment.
These people are NOT Critical Thinkers, they are Backwards Thinkers, even my 10yr old daughter knows you have to READ something to understand it.
My job requires me to continually go to school and take tests, one day in the lunch room, someone asked me if I was going to take some tests for everyone so they could get credit for them, I said NO, and I made the comment that everyone just has to do the required READING and then they could pass the tests on thier own, then the room went quiet, and they dropped the subject.
I'ts a pretty sad world that we live in.
A Critical Thinking Class starting in Elementary School should be a requirement for all students,
"Critical Thinking 101"
Peace
Originally posted by maryjo44
reply to post by C-JEAN
This is excellent Everyone should watch this. Thanks op for a great find. Just what a few ats members need to see for sure. I spend a lot of time reading comments and there are a lot of them that make me go
Fine little job op...
Just watching something doesn't guarantee that any random person would agree enough to implement it, and it's rather slow for those of us who already practice this to some degree.
Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by emptyOmind
It is a great video!
I hope people take the 5 minutes or so, it takes to watch it.
I think we should be required to watch it before we begin posting on ATS.
It's not going to happen, other than what little individual teachers teach of it. I'm sorry, we live with a system that teaches to a test, and there is little room for anything else. The only way is if they massively overhaul the system.
Originally posted by FutureThinker
A Critical Thinking Class starting in Elementary School should be a requirement for all students,
"Critical Thinking 101"
Originally posted by newcovenantThere are people whose opinions seem to be etched in stone.
Even reason does not budge them and in matters where the opposing side definitely has some valid points that can not be categorically dismissed they seem to be blinded to them and do not make accommodations for them.
There's more than not wanting to be outed as wrong. Some arguments require REAMS of defense, and in an online setting like this, there's plain not enough time in 1 lifetime to debate every single post--and there's a few threads I'm having to do this in, and I plain don't have the time to humor anyone--even when I'm right and can enlighten them, and most certainly in the areas that I'm wrong about that will NEVER have any importance in my life. This is where some, not all, of the comments that are so negative when "new ideas" pop up. The ideas generally aren't that new. The news-breaking story has about 12 different stories just like it. Many of us old grumps have "been there, done that". The only reason to stop by in such threads is there is a chance we can be wrong--and that chance is precious. The shame is when we are right and we don't say anything we're the most useless intellectuals on the face of the planet.
Don't you always want to hear the opposing argument?
It's not always about not considering the other side. It's often that the other side has been presented umpteenth times, and still hasn't found the information (data) that is required to sway those who are against this idea. More on that later.
I can't make a decision without hearing and considering that other side and I do not see how others can, but it goes on all the time. People trying to force thought without allowing people to investigate, discover and think for themselves.
Originally posted by TeroK
My education system taught me this long and hard.
Originally posted by User8911
Originally posted by TeroK
My education system taught me this long and hard.
Omg where did you study?
Has for me, critical thinking has pretty much ruined my whole education since it seems it the last thing they want, especially if the critical thinking logically comes down to the teacher not really grasping the knowledge of what he is making us learn. I have made many intelligent friends trough school but I have made a lot of teachers enemies.
To bad friends aren't the one that gives you the grades. heh
Originally posted by Angelsoftheapocalypse
Great great video. Im having a discussion with my brother right now about religion, and It's hard to explain to him when he is a Black and White thinker, and I am more of a Critical Thinker. (I.E. he is a devoted Christian, and I have no real "Religion") I posted this video on Facebook, so hopefully he and more people like him will pick this up and learn off of it.
Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
Originally posted by newcovenantThere are people whose opinions seem to be etched in stone.
Even reason does not budge them and in matters where the opposing side definitely has some valid points that can not be categorically dismissed they seem to be blinded to them and do not make accommodations for them.
There are people who appear this way who are not. There are people who have concrete ideas and decisions who come across as dismissing what you see to be as logical because you're the one not making full sense. This happens to the brightest of us. (Me? when I'm up at 5 AM in the morning, after not having slept, and my ADHD decides that I'm going to skip about 3 sentences that are required to set up a conclusion I'm trying to make. It's embarrassing as hell, but ah well.)
There's more than not wanting to be outed as wrong. Some arguments require REAMS of defense, and in an online setting like this, there's plain not enough time in 1 lifetime to debate every single post--and there's a few threads I'm having to do this in, and I plain don't have the time to humor anyone--even when I'm right and can enlighten them, and most certainly in the areas that I'm wrong about that will NEVER have any importance in my life. This is where some, not all, of the comments that are so negative when "new ideas" pop up. The ideas generally aren't that new. The news-breaking story has about 12 different stories just like it. Many of us old grumps have "been there, done that". The only reason to stop by in such threads is there is a chance we can be wrong--and that chance is precious. The shame is when we are right and we don't say anything we're the most useless intellectuals on the face of the planet.
Don't you always want to hear the opposing argument?
It's not always about not considering the other side. It's often that the other side has been presented umpteenth times, and still hasn't found the information (data) that is required to sway those who are against this idea. More on that later.
I can't make a decision without hearing and considering that other side and I do not see how others can, but it goes on all the time. People trying to force thought without allowing people to investigate, discover and think for themselves.
Also you literally don't see how others can make a decision without hearing and considering that other side because you haven't heard and considered WHO the person is you're talking to. I'm not saying you're at fault, I'm saying that if you cannot walk in this person's shoes, you won't understand how they came to their conclusions. Sometimes understanding each other is far more important than understanding the argument. Interrelational skills are paramount to communal critical thinking. The problem is for those of us who are fairly decent at this skill, we can still be wrong because there's a huge danger of reading in between the lines of what was actually said verses what we think this other person feels.
Now, I hope that made sense because I don't know if I can break that down further.
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Also, what is good to note is that this video is about making a SOLID CONCLUSION fully dressed in reality. What it is easy to assume after watching such a small video on critical thinking is that the Open Minded person will be swayed by each and every new source that arises. That's not how this works. We're setting aside as many of our biases/emotions/quirks as possible to try to parse pure logic through a sieve. That means that some threshold conditions have been met to come to our conclusions. Once we have a conclusion, this should be unwavering until data that meets the required threshold is introduced. For instance:
If A=B, and B=C, then A MUST = C. In this case, the required threshold for A=/=C is that either there's new evidence that A=/=B or that B=/=C. So any information that is outside of A=/=B and is outside B=/=C, and sometimes A=/=C is irrelevant and will be dismissed repeatedly. Otherwise known as someone who is fully open minded on the subject can fully dismiss a conversation as soon as it starts when it doesn't meet the criteria necessary to motivate a change in thought. (that was the "more".)
So, yes, you strive to understand even the weakest argument, but your conviction isn't necessarily going to waver into doubt mode every 5 seconds. you're understanding that you can be wrong, but that you're not always going to be.
Theoretical complication:
In a world that is ONLY black and white, that is populated with minds filled with colors, you wind up having to deal with only colored decisions. Those decisions will never be fully right, but they'll be approximate. How's that for frustrating in concept?