Ron Paul is exploding!

reply to post by HauntWok


Um, wrong. The website Prolife Profiles would disagree with you, as would the facts.

Ron Paul is Pro-Choice state by state:
- opposes a national ban on the dismembering of unborn children
- claims the states may decide if they want to permit the killing of children
- has not acknowledged that human rights trump states' rights
- legislates as though rights come from the state and not from our Creator, thus
- believes the states have the right to permit genocide and commit holocaust
- claims that killing children in the womb cannot "conceivably" violate the U.S. Constitution
- believes the state is the ultimate authority, superseding God's enduring command, Do not murder
- is essentially a Libertarian (small godless government) but runs as a Republican for greater visibility
- The Libertarian Party promotes legalized abortion, pornography, adultery, crack coc aine, suicide, euthanasia, and prostitution
- Ron Paul uses Libertarians for financial and political support but doesn't warn them about their party's gross immorality
These observations about Ron Paul are documented below.
Opposed to National Ban on Abortion: "While Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid."
prolifeprofiles.com...

Some states may outlaw it, others will keep it legal. If a woman lives in a state that outlaws it, she can travel to the next state for the procedure. If a woman wants abortion to be convenient, she would have the option to move to a state with like minded voters that allow it.

Originally posted by Manhater
Guess will see come election time. If he's on there, I will vote for him again. But if he's not, I'm not going to even bother voting. Because it seems pointless anyways. The person you vote for, never gets elected, and the one you don't want voted, seems to always be elected. It's like why bother putting a vote in, it doesn't matter anyway.

edit on 18-9-2011 by Manhater because: (no reason given)

Do what I did in 2008, write his name in. I voted my conscience. The last President that I voted for was Reagan in his 2nd term. I never voted for any of the winners since then because even by the age of 19 or 20 I saw right thru them all.

The world will not last through this! Read your survival forums....

reply to post by Thunderheart
Ron Paul will show us what this country is really about,weather he wins,loose'e or is put down.What ever happens this country will never be the same after this election.

He is forceing evrybodys hand and all the elite agendas,and if he is part of the agenda then we will know that to,now is the time to really make your vote count,it will never mean more then it does this time.

Very nice, I'll be sure to share this video with my friends and family.

Yet another "Ron Paul is Exploding!" Thread...

That guy needs to lay off the burritos and chili!
He seems to be detonating with some frequency,and at his age, I wouldn't want to be downwind of that.

Originally posted by Twainfan

Originally posted by Manhater
Guess will see come election time. If he's on there, I will vote for him again. But if he's not, I'm not going to even bother voting. Because it seems pointless anyways. The person you vote for, never gets elected, and the one you don't want voted, seems to always be elected. It's like why bother putting a vote in, it doesn't matter anyway.

edit on 18-9-2011 by Manhater because: (no reason given)

Do what I did in 2008, write his name in. I voted my conscience. The last President that I voted for was Reagan in his 2nd term. I never voted for any of the winners since then because even by the age of 19 or 20 I saw right thru them all.

No matter who wins, we lose. The whole left v. Right thing has you in its snare. Follow the donors, the money behind every election. There is no difference. We are all their pawns and wage slaves.

reply to post by Carseller4

In my ideal future a strong candidate would arise, get the nomination, replace Obama, and sick Ron Paul on the FED!!!!

Just sayin

reply to post by 27jd


Moving isn't as easy as just picking up and going whenever you feel like it, for some reason economic circumstances may actually enslave someone for trying to get to like minded people and in most cases from what I understand it is the majority of the have nots that find themselves in this binding situation. I will not disagree with the idea that they can move but I will say it is harder to move if they want to and in most cases it is money that makes them not. You are right in a way they can move... if they can afford it.

reply to post by sensible thought


You are right, the ONE power Ron Paul would have as president is the power that matters most. He could end the wars with a stroke of the pen. It is the ONE promise he has made. That is why my husband and I are voting for him. My husband and I are old enough to get AARP magazine and, for sure, we are not members of any cult.

Ron Paul makes more sense than all of the other candidates combined. They (the other candidates) know it too. That is why EVERY last one of them, even Newt, must have spent their preparation time before the Republican debates memorizing passages from 'End the Fed' and 'Liberty Defined' (NYT best selling books written by Ron Paul). Listening to the debates has been a "constitution", "limited government" and "audit the fed", lovefest. Dr. Paul has ALREADY made his mark on American political thinking.

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately (depending upon what you want), our Republic is one of checks and balances. There is a judicial branch and a legislative branch that has to be in sync before Roe v. Wade or anything else gets changed. Neither Ron Paul or anyone else can pare down entitlements like social security without the approval of congress. Not that Ron Paul has said he would take them away. Just the opposite. He said he would leave them in place and give younger people coming up the option of opting out (a CHOICE...imagine).

The ONLY executive power Ron Paul would be able to legitimately use under our constitution (which Ron Paul-- unlike others--follows) is the power to Bring Our Troops Home. Which would free up enough cash to finance ALL of the entitlements the liberals insist we can't do without. A win for all.

The rest of the candidates standing next to Ron Paul look like exactly what they are, "politicians" who give sound bites while evading giving ANY explanations of their policies--which they might be held to or have to explain later.

To all of those people on ATS that hate those 'pesky' executive orders written by past presidents, Ron Paul would NOT use E.O.'s to write legislation, he would actually use them to repeal old E.O.'s

No question for myself and my associates that Ron Paul is the only candidate not owned by the antichrist-corporate-controllers whom own media, medicine, food, environment and infrastructure like Wall Street, Federal Reserve and all the usual suspects.

He is my only choice. I don't agree with all his ideas, but then that shows that there is no unsound worshiping for mere image. His heart is on his sleeve, and no pretentiousness I can see in all his modalities.

No better choice for a leader as far as I can see. I do have good binocular vision for an honest man. He holds the lamp in the wilderness of Washington IMHO.

ZG

Carseller4:
While I respect your opinion, just like everyone's, I disagree with you.

I believe Ron Paul is the only candidate so far who knows where he stands on any issue asked of him. He doesn't have to hesitate one moment before answering questions (so he he can determine the politically correct answer in his head.) Most importantly, I believe he stands for the constitution. That in itself is a rare trait in today's world.

Lastly, I would like to add he's the only politician ever, at any position, who my gut instinct just says, "he's the man, he's the right man for this job." And at this time in our countries history, I believe it more critical than ever that we have a President who is the right man for the job, not just the most popular.

Regards,
CBS01

I know this post is meant to rally support for Ron Paul and expose the blatant disregard for his campaign by many in the media and elsewhere, however, I would just caution the supportors of Dr. Paul to engage in a bit of reflection.
Remember how many Americans and even citizens of other countries were getting hooked on the HOPE-ium a few years ago?
Don't set Dr. Paul up to be some "answer to all our wishes/prayers" candidate.
We must always remember that things change when the "engagement" becomes a "marriage".
Dr. Paul is just a person, he too puts his pants on one leg at a time, ya dig?

The Prez cannot do it alone, congress makes the laws. The only real and effective power the Prez has is as commander in chief. Also, the Prez gets to do some very interesting things through the state department.

Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by infrared

 

Because party politics is part of the problem in this country.

Maybe so. But I think there are much bigger problems in this country than that, and debating that someone willing to tackle these problems head on isn't the right guy because of his particular party affiliation is as nonsensical as someone saying Obama wouldn't be a good president because he was black. We all know his skin color has nothing to do with his lack of performance.

No vote is a waste, and part of the stranglehold the two party system has on this country, is that they have convinced people like yourself that any vote for a 3rd party candidate is a waste of time. What this country desperately needs in my opinion is a truly independent president free from party line politics and free to do the will of the American people instead of the will of their party.

I don't think a president is bound to only make the same decisions as the rest of their party. If that were the case, there wouldn't need to be any early debates to see which candidate gets to move on. Any party will be fine, as long as they have the right agenda and aren't willing to be a puppet for the real people who run our country. And if you can't see a drastic difference between Ron Paul and all the other republicans I don't know what to tell you.

It's definitely your right to support whoever you like, as is ours. And though your independent vote wouldn't be a waste in theory because that's who you strongly believe in, the point is that if Ron Paul lost by only a few votes, then some of those votes for independents could be considered wasted since they most likely have similar goals as we do, yet we ended up with another flunkey in the white house instead of someone who might do most of the things we were all after in the first place. My opinion is that Paul will need all the help he can get to win. Then again you may be so closed to views other than your own you may not even care, and having Perry win instead wouldn't even phase you. And that's ok too.

Did I say that? Did I say that ALL Ron Paul supporters without exception act like cult members? I don't think so, so please, if it offends you, perhaps it's a sign that you recognize those behaviors in yourself.

Well actually, your exact reply to my suggesting you should support Ron Paul was: "And be a mindless cult member?"

This broad generalized statement does indeed insinuate that ALL Ron Paul supporters without exception are mindless cult members since you didn't bother to define who or how many of us were cult members in that sentence... Ex: You could have said, "And be a mindless cult member like you?" or "And be a mindless cult member like some of you?" But no worries, I don't think many people are offended by comments in a forum.

It's the fact that you would make such a comment instead of give real reasons/issues why you wouldn't support Paul that demonstrates that maybe you don't even have any or you're just trying to be a nuisance. Which is it? I in fact haven't seen any cult like behavior surrounding Ron Paul, just a lot of people excited to have someone they can vote for that doesn't suck.

Not at all, just simply showing my disdain for Ron Paul, and those that choose to follow this 30+ year Republican blindly because he says things they like to hear. We have a President now that got elected cause he said things that people like to hear and ended up lying about many of those promises.

1. Ron Paul won my trust not just because he says what I want to hear, but because I can clearly see that he is a genuine individual who means what he says, doesn't reek of corruption and has a 30+ year history to support that. And I follow no one blindly.

2. I didn't hear our current president say one damn thing that sounded good during his campaign. And from my initial judge of his character, it doesn't surprise me that he didn't deliver on his promises. So maybe there's more to it than that.

3. Disdain = Progress. You know your cause is making significant progress when the critics come out and say they disdain it. If you weren't doing anything, they would have nothing to disdain. Keep up the good work everybody!

Ron Paul is just there to keep the hopes alive of the many awakening truthers that we still can choose our own presidents and that democracy is alive, etc. We know these voting machines are all rigged, the media has the power to convince the masses, also the more funding a candidate receives, how much coverage they get.

You really think he's going to do anything? Even if he wins, the president is the position of a puppet, he will not be able to accomplish much. I saw somewhere he was in a fraternity linked to the Rosecrucians... it's not enough to say much, but just putting it out there. But I think the truth is, once you gain enough of a following you either become a tool or get killed, or get taken out in some other way (non-physical means) since these guys don't like to get their hands dirty (brings more attention).

That's not to say that he isn't spot on about many things he talks about. But we need to stop with dependence of hoping some politician or whatever to change things for us. The change has to come from within first. We create our own reality therefore we cannot fix the world without fixing ourselves. Just some things to think about.

reply to post by 27jd

Um, wrong. The website Prolife Profiles would disagree with you, as would the facts.

Except I am going by Paul's official campaign website and not some fan fic site.

reply to post by infrared

But I think there are much bigger problems in this country than that, and debating that someone willing to tackle these problems head on isn't the right guy because of his particular party affiliation is as nonsensical as someone saying Obama wouldn't be a good president because he was black.

I simply don't think that he really is willing to tackle these problems head on, and I do believe that it's due to party politics.

It's the fact that you would make such a comment instead of give real reasons/issues why you wouldn't support Paul that demonstrates that maybe you don't even have any or you're just trying to be a nuisance. Which is it?

I have given legitimate reasons why I won't be voting for Ron Paul.

1) His views on abortion are totalitarian. He wants to overturn Roe V. Wade without the supreme court. Thereby doing two things, 1. More government intervention in people's lives, by making it against federal law to have an abortion. And 2. Usurping the Constitutional powers of the Judicial branch. Showing that Ron Paul hates the US Constitution.

2) Wanting to repeal the 14th Amendment, thereby stripping every American their natural born citizenship status This is of course done to get "them damn dirty illegals" (I.E. anyone who comes across our southern border who speaks Spanish and is brown, regardless of their actual immigration status.) But he says nothing at all about how he is going to protect the Jus Soli citizenship of the people that he does want here. (This is the same guy who accepted money from Stormfront and was all too happy to get a picture taken with the founders of that white supremacist site)

This of course leads me to believe that the purpose of revoking the 14th Amendment is to ensure that only the select elite are able to gain citizenship in this country. Thereby creating a surf class, people who are from birth stained with the disability of not belonging to the country of their birth.

3) Wanting to destroy the public education system and make it so that only the select few elite are able to get an education. He wants the rest of the riff raff to be home schooled, which would mean at least one parent would have to quit their jobs in order to educate their children if they aren't rich enough to afford private education. This of course would lead to a generation of under educated Americans who won't have any hope of decent opportunities in their lives. As many parents themselves don't have the required education in order to properly instruct their children.

So, I have legitimate reasons to not trust Ron Paul, and not want him in the white house where he can further erode and destroy this country as the GOP and the Democrats are want to do.

reply to post by HauntWok


your second point on the Ron Paul receiving funds from storm front
Ron Paul has went on camera and stated that he didnt care where the money came from
because he isnt racist , and he thinks the money would be better used by him
than in some racists hands !

he has personally debunked the claim that he is racist and wilffully accepted the money
knowing it came from the member or founding member of a racist political party !

there is also another thread on ATS here about that very issue

reply to post by sapien82

Ron Paul has went on camera and stated that he didnt care where the money came from
because he isnt racist , and he thinks the money would be better used by him
than in some racists hands !

Actually it should be an issue, because the company you keep is just as important as the political goals you have. If these are the kinds of people he willingly accepts money from, it is just an endorsement of their ideals. His anti immigration platform further shows an agenda that is very Un-American.

When Obama was running for office, Bill Ayers was an issue, and his close ties to that man was brought up numerous times during the campaign. If that guilt by association campaign was valid for the GOP, it should be valid for everyone else too. Including Ron Paul.