What would you do if you 'knew'?, page 2

reply to post by muzzleflash

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This particular man is not, nor will be a "tyrant" ... He will remain unknown... Maybe you just read the Hitler question and skipped the rest??

reply to post by muzzleflash

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Good does not. But I am an evil, sinful man. If I knew this to be true, I would have to believe that God was telling me. Is he telling me for no reason? Is he telling me just so I can kiss my children one more time before I allow them to be killed?

reply to post by muzzleflash

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This is not about a single tyrant. This is about a man setting out to kill BILLIONS of people. Huge difference.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by muzzleflash

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This particular man is not, nor will be a "tyrant" ... He will remain unknown... Maybe you just read the Hitler question and skipped the rest??

Look, Hitler probably didn't kill many people at all.

It was the brain dead yes-men that did the killing. All he had to do was say "Go get them".

Do you think these countless armies of henchmen will suddenly become good guys when the leader dies?
Who replaces the leader?

This is certainly not the solution.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by muzzleflash

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Good does not. But I am an evil, sinful man. If I knew this to be true, I would have to believe that God was telling me. Is he telling me for no reason? Is he telling me just so I can kiss my children one more time before I allow them to be killed?

Avoiding death does not require you to stain yourself in blood.

That means you will be a purveyor of death yourself.

This is a contradiction.

One man cannot kill billions. Impossible.
It takes an army of yes-men to accomplish that.

And guess who is going to replace the tyrant you just killed?
Someone even worse.

reply to post by muzzleflash

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This is the raw, unaltered truth IMO.

2nd line.

reply to post by muzzleflash

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You did not read the OP. Please read the scenario proposed. This many is creating an "army" to kill billions. He is creating a biological weapon that will, according to the proposed scenario, kill most of the population on earth.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
If you had advance absolute knowledge before Hitler rose to power, would you have killed him?

You cannot ask that question as posed, the premise is flawed.

You assume Absolute Knowledge in the question, but then frame the options within a very narrow human construct - and Absolute Knowledge by definition cannot be contained within any limiting scope.

How can you be acting on absolute knowledge if you are unsure about the choice of action? To further the distinction, I’ll label what I am referring to as Truth. The knowledge that you are referring to is limited by definition (its a certain time, place, event), and therefore cannot be absolute. There is a far, far greater Truth than what you have described in your thread. And if indeed one was blessed to be in the company of absolute Truth there would be no need for a question to be posed.

I say this to reassure you. It sounds as if you feel very compelled to use the information that you are receiving wisely. I would like to suggest that these experiences are calling out to you to get your attention, but not necessarily to direct you towards preemptive action or inaction. I would say they are much more likely to be calling you inwards. Meditate. If you already meditate occasionally, increase your practice, expand your methods and resources, and find other paths inward.

Your thread mentions that these experiences are growing in intensity, and you are obviously concerned about what to do. In my experience, life experiences, especially noteworthy ones, are there to nudge us towards growth. When the lesson is important but unrealized, those experiences will grow in intensity, or others will occur, in greater emphasis until the path towards the lesson is recognized and embraced. You have already described trying both preemptive action and inaction in your reaction to these experiences, yet they are intensifying. Perhaps they are increasing in intensity because you are being prompted towards a different approach.

I would point out to you that in the very contemplation of the differences between your premise and what I have suggested may be of help. However you move forward, I hope you find the peace you are seeking.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by muzzleflash

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You did not read the OP. Please read the scenario proposed. This many is creating an "army" to kill billions. He is creating a biological weapon that will, according to the proposed scenario, kill most of the population on earth.

I did 3 times.

There is no acceptable reasoning to become the monster you are trying to stop.

I will not use the method of hypothetical murder to prevent hypothetical murder. Because I will defeat my own purpose by becoming the new murderer. There are far more effective and applicable solutions.

Hell, you could just put the guy in handcuffs. That wasn't hard now was it?

This isn't a , either I die or they die situation.
There are infinite probabilities. Therefore I will not succumb to the simplistic solution of murder to achieve "avoiding murder".

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