posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 08:23 PM
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Ok, they go unused because there is no profit. Why no profit? Most likely because no one is buying the product. What good does it do to
produce a product no one is buying? This is why workers don't make good owners. You can't just produce something and hope to get paid. You have to
produce a good or service someone else wants. If they don't want it, they won't buy it, you still go hungry but now you have wasted time and
resources. You advocate workers owning the means of production. I have to ask, have you met the "workers"? I mean seriously, most of them don't
want the responsibility of having to decide things. Most of them want to do as little as possible, then they want to go and turn on the idiot box
preferably with some form of alcohol or drug. These people let american idol distract them from reality. I am sorry, I wish the old style "American
spirit" would return. It is dead or at least fading away. Many people prefer their slavery.
Originally posted by ANOK
So once again socialism is 'the workers ownership of the means of production', not government handouts, national health care etc.
Have you ever heard of a cooperative??
There are countless examples of SUCCESSFUL worker-run businesses. There are also historic examples, such as the Spanish Revolution, where
Socialists/Anarchists SUCCESSFULLY took the reigns of power from government, the rich/owners and ran things themselves (at least until right-wing
Fascists came in and destroyed their efforts). George Orwell wrote Homage To Catalonia in awe/honor of the worker/Anarchists/Socialist
And there was also the Paris Commune:
Worker ownership does NOT inhibit the product from being good/desirable, in fact, it can actually lead to a BETTER product when everyone is INVESTED
in its success and in brainstorming on improvements. There is NOTHING to fear from worker-run Democracies except the threat to the few raking in the
cream off the labors of the many.
And to your mythology that workers don't want to run things... that's entirely BECAUSE most jobs are top-down, honorless, toilsome, oppressive, poor
paying, and un-Democratic. And if workers don't want to run a business, then fine, that's their choice! But you just neutralized your own argument
with a circular logic... workers don't even KNOW of these concepts, they've never experienced them, but if they DID and they CHOSE to take control,
we should support that and propagate such a reality. People don't prefer slavery... it's just all they know, so they plug in, turn on, and cop
out... there are no obvious alternatives. The time has come to PUSH those alternatives and crush any illegitimate obstacle that gets in the way.