posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 07:18 PM
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by ANOK
A rose by any other name, or in this case a manure pile. I am sorry, but you will never convince me to work hard to support those unwilling to
Why would you have to work hard to support someone else?
Socialism is worker ran businesses, cooperatives/collectives. When you work at a cooperative/collective you earn from the profits instead of a wage.
You give your earnings to no one. If the means of production are available all it takes to produce what we need is labour, which there is no shortage
of. The only shortage we have is the means to produce, because they are privately owned, and often go unused because they don't make the private
owner any profit. When the economy goes bad the means to produce go into mothballs, 'jobs' are lost, yet the labour to produce is in abundance, and
people go hungry.
Technological capacity to produce enough to satisfy everyone's needs already exists globally and has done so for many decades. Yet needs continue
to remain unmet on a massive scale. Why? Quite simply because scarcity is a functional requirement of capitalism itself.
You must think socialism is government handouts? Socialism doesn't even require government. You can't have government handouts without government.
It has nothing to do with that whatsoever mate.
Anarchism is stateless socialism, Bakunin
If you're wondering why Bakunin is so important...
Mikhail Alexandrovich Bakunin (Russian: Михаи́л Алекса́ндрович Баку́нин, IPA: [mʲɪxɐˈil ˌbaˈkunʲin]; 30 May
[O.S. 18 May] 1814–1 July 1876) was a well-known Russian revolutionary and theorist of collectivist anarchism. He has also often been called the
father of anarchist theory in general...
Collective Anarchism is a form of worker organized socialism through trade unions.
Anarchists were socialists who were apposed to the state system. Socialism requires no state system, and is the preferred economic model for the
majority of Anarchists.
So once again socialism is 'the workers ownership of the means of production', not government handouts, national health care etc.
edit on 9/17/2011 by ANOK because: Anarchy Peace and Bananas