Occupy Wall Street Has Begun!

Originally posted by dragonseeker
Look..I've been down there twice. yesterday, they were literally wasting time talking about committees for this or that, who should be the police liason, and generally not being very protest-y. by comparison, I was at a protest in L.A. in front of the israeli embassy a few months ago,(this was over the palestinians, not the banks) and both sides were loud, committed, and energized. no arrests, no fights, just 2 groups stating their position with fire. that fire seems missing here..it was very low-key. these guys, as well-intentioned as they are, are not the sharp end of the stick against TPTB. wish they were. I understand today was more active..maybe, as things progress, it will get better. but, although I'm critical, I'm very supportive because, THEY GOT OFF THEIR #ING ASS AND DID SOMETHING. most americans won't do a damn thing while the bankers rob us, and our descendants, blind. they are to be commended, no matter what.

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The only bankers robbing us work for the Fed and Fannie and Freddie. The other robbers work for the IRS and a littany of other govt. organizations with the power to charge fees and fines. I won't even detail how the the Big Labor groups have robbed their members blind only to spend billions of forced dues on campaign contributions rather than investing it in pension funds. You may not think it but you are just a pawn in the political game of the haves' vs. the have not's.

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by constantwonder

To be upset with the status quo is one thing to want to throw out what our country is built on and usher in an age of socialism/communism is quite another.

I don't know if you have heard Lupe Fiasco speak but he is ridiculous... And these are the type of big names at this event... It was a small fringe protest and accomplished nothing. . .

Until people realize that big business isn't the only problem and that everyone needs to quit the left right bickering and stand up for small government and the American dream and not communism or fascism or cooperate protectionism then I'm afraid we are all boned.

We are boned if all people can see is communism everytime the status quo is challenged

When all the people posting that think this is just ace say things like give us free cars .... Let us act as a collective, no one should be hungry or without anything and that big brother owes them this then it is, or everything should belong to everyone.

SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM

The biggest problem is the people at the top will stay at the top the rest of us who work hard and try to build our own success will be dragged down to the level of the people who see children as welfare checks... You people don't seem to understand that these entitlement programs the socialist type programs we already have are so overburdened by people of sound mind and body.

Change is great, we need it, but not from the far left or the far right. The main body of America is in the center and they are the people that will lead the change.

Not the frumpy college kids with their brainwased leftist ideas in there Che shirts quoting the chairman and burning ONE DOLLAR BILLS while sucking down starbucks and pounding away on their Iphones. These people are mostly only idealogues until it gets dirty and gritty and real.

You want to know how to effect change upon america go back to the 50's 60's 670's with people in the streets standing down the firehoses and taking beatings and still marching day after day in the face of violence and death and all the # that could possibly hit the fan. That's how you change things.

Change isn't coming for those who run off for all the frills in their lives when things get tough.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by NoAngel2u
You can be certain I did not consider you to be on a pedestal, but you did when you mentioned your service in relation to "what have you done" comment to me.

Hey thanks for bringing that back up.

It's still a valid question. In the meantime while you contemplate an answer I have to go work.

I'll play with you kids later.

PEACE

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If it is a valid question then I cannot tell you how excited I am to hear about what you did for me again. You save me from hitler? Save me from some people in the desert that have no idea who I am. What exactly have you done and why does it matter more than what anyone else has done again?

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This is way too long in the making and should have happened at least after the bailout was announced. I know progress is slow especially when it's for the benifit of freedom, equality and justice. This is the first time i heard of this event and I would'nt have if i did'nt come on here to check on any new threads. It's not surprising that the media wont cover this event and the only thing that surprises me today is why more people are'nt piss poor mad at the leaders of the so called free world and the Military Industrial media complex. Until that day comes that we decide to make this world into one worth saving, living, working, dreaming and enjoying we will all continue to be slaves of TPTB! Until we take the reins of power away from the corrupt peoples that hold them and stop depending on someone else to save us from tyranny and oppression we will never be free, equal and peaceful!
The time to blame is over, the time to talk is over and the time for action is now! Stay strong for the children who will have nothing but debt to show for what we've done! We are the only ones responsable for the mess we now find ourselves in cause too many of us did'nt want to face up to the responsability of the corruption we have helped to advance by turning our heads away from the criminality of irresponsable leadership which now leaves our lives in ruin and our hearts in discust. Stay strong for the common good devoted to a future devoid of corruption with the hope to change our world from slavery who benifits a minority to one of combined effort which benifits us all equally!

Originally posted by FallenWun
If it is a valid question then I cannot tell you how excited I am to hear about what you did for me again.

For you?

Nothing, ZIP...

For my fellow Marine [Irregardless of color, race, creed, religion or social standing] everything.
That's a real brotherhood.

You save me from hitler?

I highly doubt you are that old but keep digging and at least I was willing to put my ASS on the line if the proverbial SHTF.

Save me from some people in the desert that have no idea who I am.

Like his father before him my son served...
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How's those finger tip & posterior calluses working out for you?
Have another Hot-Pocket

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by FallenWun
If it is a valid question then I cannot tell you how excited I am to hear about what you did for me again.

For you?

Nothing, ZIP...

For my fellow Marine [Irregardless of color, race, creed, religion or social standing] everything.
That's a real brotherhood.

You save me from hitler?

I highly doubt you are that old but keep digging and at least I was willing to put my ASS on the line if the proverbial SHTF.

Save me from some people in the desert that have no idea who I am.

Like his father before him my son served...

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How's those finger tip & posterior calluses working out for you?
Have another Hot-Pocket

It's hilarious when desk jockeys take their liberty and freedom for granted.

I'm not saying all wars are justified or all soldiers are good people that would be just foolish.

But I will say thank you to those who serve and honor them for they laid their lives on the line be it peace or war time as a soldier you never know when your number will be called.

Thank you

keep on Marching! Are thoughts are with all the heros there. Everyone needs to do there part by spreading the word or actually helping.. Good luck!

Originally posted by jibeho
The only bankers robbing us work for the Fed and Fannie and Freddie. The other robbers work for the IRS and a littany of other govt. organizations with the power to charge fees and fines. I won't even detail how the the Big Labor groups have robbed their members blind only to spend billions of forced dues on campaign contributions rather than investing it in pension funds.

I wouldn't say that. Most of the major banks were playing hot potato with 401(k) and IRA money by placing their bets on the good ol' derivatives wheel. There were a lot of fraudulent mark-ups in the private banking sector. Corruption breeds corruption. What do you expect? A bedrock of corruption (Federal Reserve, US Treasury, Fannie, Freddie, etc) to lay a foundation of honesty in banking? Its one big circus freak show with a casino in the center ring. Goldman Sachs execs emails came out and they turned out to openly admit they shouldn't get away with what they do. Goldman isn't even at the top of the heap though.

Anyone who thrives off the government criminal enterprise is corrupted to some degree or another. Some government workers get it, but most of them don't.

Its very peculiar that the people protesting the banking system seem to be avoiding a focus on the most guilty culprits that you mention though. They seem to think that politicians should be in charge of your banking. The people out there "occupying Wall Street" seem to have the idea of "lets not trust the bankers... lets trust the politicians". They have some thinking to do. Get it? All we need to do is have the politicians tell bankers what to do and everything will be a-okay.

I know I said this before but I'll say it again. There is no politician out there who comes remotely close to representing my interest. Therefore, politicians shouldn't get the right to represent my interests. I should get the right to represent my interests.

While the form of government we have now is superior to an outright Monarchy, it clearly needs a lot more improvement. One improvement that should be made is that instead of having 535 members of congress, we should have about 300 million members of congress. I represent me. You get to represent your self. While it would still be deeply flawed, at least it wouldn't be outright fascist.

ive been following this on twitter lately i wish i could make it out there to partake in it

Originally posted by SLAYER69
For you?

Nothing, ZIP...

For my fellow Marine [Irregardless of color, race, creed, religion or social standing] everything.
That's a real brotherhood.

Then you need to take your holier than thou attitude back to them. Quit talking to people like they have done nothing for their country just because you joined the military and did NOTHING to protect our freedom from anyone.

I highly doubt you are that old but keep digging and at least I was willing to put my ASS on the line if the proverbial SHTF.

What line was that? Was it an oil pipeline?

Like his father before him my son served...

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Wow. You just completely avoided what I actually wrote and threw up this nonsense for what? Trying to tug on heartstrings? Hey, if you actually fought in a war that mattered to me or helped protect me from anything then I would be all kudos. All you can say is that you put your ass on some line you cannot even describe.

How's those finger tip & posterior calluses working out for you?
Have another Hot-Pocket

Yep. I sit here all day typing and eating food. I am a huge fat desk jockey and lazy and a coward too because your assumptions about me must be true. I actually asked you about you. You provided no answer. You guess about me. You are wrong.

If you are going to tell people they owe you something for what you did for them, I just want to know what the hell it is that you did. Not a war has been fought in my lifetime that had anything to do with protecting my freedom.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
anarchists, communists, and Soros operatives can just as easily hide behind the "no left no right" banner. The only answer these people have to the capitalism they hate so much is communism and socialism. The secret behind this Wall Street rally is that the solution is even bigger government. Socialism always points to that. The anarchist thing is just a mechanism to get anti govt people involved.

I'm sure there are genuine people wanting to fight the NWO in this rally, but they seem to be co-opted by ultra leftist.

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Absolutely nothing wrong with being "ultra-Leftist". Some of the greatest people/thinkers were ultra-Leftists, I'm happy to be of that camp and no other.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by seachange

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by AmericanNightmare89
I'm really not to sure what to think about this protest. One thing that gets me is why Wall Street? Why not outside the federal reserve? I guess I will just reserve judgment until i can read more in to this but i doubt this is the start that many people were looking for. I wonder how long it will be before the NYPD pulls out the sound cannons

Yes they have targeted Wall Street as the exemplary representative of Capitalism. In the Arab Spring they brought down Pro -western leaders. Here that is not what is happening.

The Federal Reserve, using their government-issued monopoly regulations, is "ground zero" for the economic collapse going on. They are by far the largest and most powerful bank in the world. You would think that perhaps the fact that the largest and most powerful banking institutions in the world are full-blown fascist enterprises having absolutely zero to do with capitalism would tell you that just maybe there is more to this problem than "greedy capitalists".

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I'm aware of the Fed and what's wrong with it. I've read Antony Sutton since the 80's. The problem I am having with this protest is that radical leftsits are on board and sponsoring it for the purpose of creating economic chaos and their goal is to destroy capitalism which they believe is responsible for the evil they see in corporatism. This is always the cry of communists and socialists. George Soros has been tinkering with the American economy as well as others for the express purpose of bringing down the Capitalist society he hates so much, even though he has gotten filthy rich off it. Is that not a bizarre split in consciousness?

PROVE that Soros is some kind of mastermind who is tinkering with the world for some sinister goals! Freaking PROVE IT!

From everything I've seen, Soros has become the MANUFACTURED bogey-man manufactured by the right-wing to compete with their REAL bogey-men, the Koch brothers. Soros doesn't come ANYWHERE CLOSE to the level of tinkering, corruption, and evil of the Koch brothers. IN FACT, it can be argued that Soros is one of the few DECENT billionaires (in some ways) who challenges the status quo of other wealthy tycoons who are typically right-wing.

Originally posted by constantwonder

It's hilarious when desk jockeys take their liberty and freedom for granted.

Sure. Right there with you. Glad both of you can assume so much about me.

I'm not saying all wars are justified or all soldiers are good people that would be just foolish.

Thus the need for clarification.

But I will say thank you to those who serve and honor them for they laid their lives on the line be it peace or war time as a soldier you never know when your number will be called.

Thank you

I will thank them too. I will not bow down to any internet poster that claims they protected my freedom but cannot explain when or where they ever did that. Internet claims come with a grain of salt. I simply asked the poster what they did for me. They said nothing. Why should I thank him?

Originally posted by OldCorp
I've been watching this Livestream for ever half an hour. Whatever the main speaker is saying, and I mean EVERYTHING that is said, is repeated by the crowd. Can someone explain the significance of this to me? Looks a little like a Communist or cult-style indoctrination session to me.

I was wondering the same thing at first, but after some pondering it seems that those who can HEAR the speaker are merely repeating everything so that people further away can hear it as well. Sort of like a human/group megaphone. Quite clever actually.

Originally posted by Chance321

Originally posted by lastmanstanding

Originally posted by OldCorp
I've been watching this Livestream for ever half an hour. Whatever the main speaker is saying, and I mean EVERYTHING that is said, is repeated by the crowd. Can someone explain the significance of this to me? Looks a little like a Communist or cult-style indoctrination session to me.

To answer your question in a simple manner... Its a technique called "People's Mic". Because of certain noise pollution laws, the cops told them to quit using the bull horn mic. So in essence their using this technique to amplify the speakers statements across the group. They stated many times that this technique was being used. Although it may apear cultist in origin, its really just a creative method to keep the group united and informed. Thanks, I hope I answered your question.

Right and also a form of brain washing. You repeat it enough times and the weak minded will believe it.

Seriously??
STFU.

Originally posted by jerico65
One of my favorite quotes of the non-event:

"Nearby, Micah Chamberlain, 23, a line cook from Columbus, Ohio, held up a sign reading “End the Oligarchy” and said he had hitchhiked to New York. “There are millions of people in this county without jobs,” he said. “And 1 percent of the people have 99 percent of the money.”"

Well maybe they have 99% of the money because they aren't "line cooks" who spend more time hitchiking to stupid protests instead of actually working to be the best line cook they can be and eventually running the entire kitchen.

Wow... the Ayn Rand brainwashing worked deeply on you! How terrible...

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by NoAngel2u

 

You have to understand, Slayer (I'm assuming) is an NCO. They are critters that see things in black and white.
I'm an officer. Which means, when they put on the bars, they took part of the brain. I just know what fork to use at the mess tent.
Ultimately, this means that the judgement of an NCO is pretty spot on. Probably around 99.9%
(or else they don't remain NCO's)
So my impression of the lackluster event was actually confirmed by someone who's opinion I value. Further reinforcing that this was a staged event that didn't reach "the people" because the event wasn't FOR the "people".

It was a litmus test designed to test whether Obama hadd the support to make direct moves against capitalism.
Of course, just my humble. . . .

Stop trolling and lying, period.

reply to post by syrinx high priest
If what you want to protest is the state of economic affairs, they should be in front of the Federal Reserve, they are the ones inflating and deflating all the markets.

reply to post by SLAYER69


STOP SWINGING YOUR MILITARY D*CK AROUND. ANYBODY WHO IS TRULY ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT REALIZES THAT THE MILITARY OF ANY GOVERNMENT IS THE MOST BRUTAL/VIOLENT ARM OF STATE/MARKET AGGRESSION. I'M SICK OF THIS FLAG WAVING GUNG-HO LOCK-STEP CRAP, NOBODY WITH HALF A BRAIN CARES IF YOU HELD A BIG EXPENSIVE GUN FOR UNCLE SAM, MOTHER RUSSIA, OR THE UK MOTHERLAND... MILITARISM BY ANY COUNTRY IS BEYOND STALE.

Originally posted by FallenWun
Yep. I sit here all day typing and eating food. I am a huge fat desk jockey and lazy and a coward too

Well, you know what they say...
Admitting you have a problem is the first step in recovery


Now if we are done with all this chin wagging and lip flapping BS here can we get back on topic?