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Originally posted by seeker11
I'm going to say that perhaps it's time that some of these antiques be parked in a museum.
2 crashes in less than 24 hours, both very old planes, yeah, I think maybe they should look into the safety of these, because let's face it, nothing lasts forever, and safety should be paramount.
Originally posted by hooper
Originally posted by seeker11
I'm going to say that perhaps it's time that some of these antiques be parked in a museum.
2 crashes in less than 24 hours, both very old planes, yeah, I think maybe they should look into the safety of these, because let's face it, nothing lasts forever, and safety should be paramount.
I'm going to have to second that. I know people love to see these old girls still flying around, but when folks are dying and people that have no interest in them are also being endangered, well enough is enough.
That being said, I would venture to guess that some of these antiques probably have less hours on them then a lot of the commercial craft in use today.
Originally posted by Cassius666
Sometimes accidents happen. Think of Rammstein. (Not the band the incident in Rammstein that inspired the pyrocentric band Rammstein)
Originally posted by seeker11
I'm going to say that perhaps it's time that some of these antiques be parked in a museum.
2 crashes in less than 24 hours, both very old planes, yeah, I think maybe they should look into the safety of these, because let's face it, nothing lasts forever, and safety should be paramount.
Originally posted by Nucleardiver
Originally posted by Dr Expired
Valid question no doubt.
Could be bad fuel?
Does anyone know of the backgrounds of the pilots?
Of the aviation crews?
Where are the planes serviced?
It is curious .
Jimmy Lived about a half mile from me in Ocala Fl and while I didn't know him personally I had meet him several times and he was a well known racing and stunt pilot that had also worked in films since the early 1980's. Short of some unforseen physical problem that mayhave occured in flight, he was a great and skillfull pilot. He was known on the racing circuit as the best.
Last I knew his plane was kept at his hanger on his runway and he had mechanics that worked on it there. That may have changed tho.
The T-28 is still used for training to this day and the P-51 was still used for active combat I believe in to the 90's with other countries...all this was, was coincidence, nothing more. Way, way , way more people die daily in car crashes, you dont see massive changes in the way we drive or protocal.
Originally posted by seeker11
reply to post by lspilot6946
I understand that obviously there are accidents and they are inspected thoroughly. However in the event that there were 2 crashes in less than 24 hours of antique planes I am of the opinion that maybe there is something more to it, however it could just be coincidence as well.
Maybe they'll have to look into the safety of where they are flying now, and have the crowd be far removed from the action.
However, I guess it is always watch at your own risk. No one forced them to be there (no disrespect intended whatsoever) a very unfortunate, tragic event.
Originally posted by lspilot6946
The T-28 is still used for training to this day and the P-51 was still used for active combat I believe in to the 90's with other countries...all this was, was coincidence, nothing more. Way, way , way more people die daily in car crashes, you dont see massive changes in the way we drive or protocal.
Originally posted by seeker11
reply to post by lspilot6946
I understand that obviously there are accidents and they are inspected thoroughly. However in the event that there were 2 crashes in less than 24 hours of antique planes I am of the opinion that maybe there is something more to it, however it could just be coincidence as well.
Maybe they'll have to look into the safety of where they are flying now, and have the crowd be far removed from the action.
However, I guess it is always watch at your own risk. No one forced them to be there (no disrespect intended whatsoever) a very unfortunate, tragic event.
Perhaps it wasn't simply a freak accident after all...
It will be interesting to see if they are able to confirm this as the cause of the accident, and if they do, perhaps all of the P-51's should be grounded, at least for this sort of intensive acrobatic flying that involves spectators in close proximity to the area. I think having 2 cases of the same thing happening, one almost causing death, and the other causing pilot death as well as spectator death and mass injuries, then I do think that steps should be taken to minimize all the risks, even if that means grounding this particular model for these types of races in the future.
As Reno rethinks air races, possible cause of crash is seen
Witnesses said they saw a part fall from Jimmy Leeward’s P-51 Mustang seconds before it pitched up then straight down into the spectator area...
“Without the trim tab, the aircraft may have been uncontrollable,” writes Mike Danko on his Aviation Law Monitor blog.
If that was the cause of the accident, then it wouldn’t have been the first time at the Reno Air Races.
“There was an incident during the 1998 Reno Air Races in which a trim tab came off a P-51 named Voodoo Chile,” writes Russ Niles, editor-in-chief of AvWeb. “In that incident … the aircraft pitched violently up, causing pilot Bob Hannah to black out under a G load estimated at 10 Gs. He regained consciousness at 9,000 feet and was able to land safely.”
If the broken trim tab was the cause of Friday’s accident, that means it’s likely that the pilot’s age (he was 74) was not a factor.edit on 18-9-2011 by seeker11 because: (no reason given)