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What I want to ask is, how do you determine a person's desired result? More so, that of an ATS member? Is it really fair to call someone on ATS(or anywhere) a fear monger when/if you cannot be sure their intentions for spreading a message?
ECCLESIASTES 12... Faith is stronger than meaningless wit of the knowledge... From Faith comes ALL THE KNOWLEDGE WITHIN... But remember... A little faith is no faith at ALL
Originally posted by buildingthenations
reply to post by LeTan
Honestly i have no fear in much, because i put my faith in God, I just know whatever happens is supposed to according to His will.
I believe all media control is to keep the masses in fear, by our elites.
Originally posted by LunaKat
LeTan a question if I may? I think you mentioned something about if you were talking about an earthquake... I guess my biggest question with a lot of stuff I see on ATS (and I skip over) is that if someone really had good information on an upcoming disaster, why would ATS be the place they'd bring that to? I mean, why don't they take that to people who can actually do something about it? A bunch of people reading forum posts can't exactly do anything about it. I guess thats my biggest question.
Originally posted by LeTan
Originally posted by nusnus
I recognize fear mongering as the action of warning on life and death by using very few facts or pieces of information that don't constitute a reason for fear.
For example, some dude writes an article on Elenin years back, then someone comes and adds onto it, then another and another and these personal ideas are accumulated to create an illogical fear of an object based completely and utterly on speculation.
So fear mongering = the publishing of fear based on speculation.
Its the downright use of words like: were going to die, something is coming, get ready etc that is called fear mongering.
Because it creates fear from nothing. And its wrong.
It can also be masked as pure suggestion. The human mind is susceptible to suggestions at times, and suggesting that we need to fear something because of the 'unknown' qualities of that thing is fear mongering and utterly unnecessary.edit on 17-9-2011 by nusnus because: (no reason given)
Do these prospects bring fear to you?
When someone says "we are going to die". Some of us are already aware that we are going to die sometime, and it's going to happen whether we fear it or not.
When someone says "something is coming" Some of us wonder what it is, since this forum as pretty much destroyed the fear of the unknown for most of it's members. We do not fear it, we are simply curious.
When someone says "get ready" Some of us wonder "for what?". Again, curiosity, not fear.
I ask, when you address someone as a fear monger, who do you speak for? If you speak for yourself, would that not imply your own fear?
In that case, lets say a tornado warning is issued and a family that lives in a vicinity fears for their life. However, the tornado never reaches ground and blows by without incident. The family is safe, but they were still gripped by fear in that time because of the warning.
Since the warning scared them, should it have not been issued at all to prevent what you would call a mind crime?
Maybe, it is the method and presentation and the perception of the people that draw the line between information sharing and fear mongering.
One who spreads the idealogy of fear through propoganda to fulfill a concealed agenda. Similar to a terrorist, but it fights with information and not direct violence. Politicians, media personas, and internet posters can all be fearmongers.
If the weather service issue such a warning then you are entitled to believe them and to take action accordingly, and also perhaps to be afraid. If the tornado does not hit this should not be a problem as no malice was intended.
It is the intent or motive that matters.
Could the same not be said about the members of ATS?
Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by LeTan
Sorry but I just don't see how using the words fear monger means that you are yourself afraid. That is just basically wrong. A fear monger attempts to make people fearful, usually those who have insufficient information on a subject to make a reasoned decision.
On another note..Correct me if I am wrong, but you see fear as the result of lack of information? In this case, would the opposite also be true? If indeed something was going on, and the presenter gave a lot of information on the subject... lets use for example, a major earthquake.
With the information the researcher provides, would this lessen the fear people would have on the earthquake? I do not believe so. I think, the reason is because the fear is of the earthquake, it does not matter if it is someone posting a few pictures and graphs or a researcher putting his portfolio up.
I feel that the delivery and reception of the information is the key factor to fear mongering.
would the opposite also be true
Lets take another example though. Let's say a person sees a report on a website or the news about a super volcano acting up, they know enough about volcanoes to know that this is bad, but they do not have the education to describe what is going on in scientific detail. They post the link and present it to ATS.
How do you determine if this person is a fear monger? His intentions are unclear except in the way he presents it.
You cannot call the deliverer a fear monger just because some people chose not to believe. We have a perfect example with comet Elenin.
Many knowledgeable people have placed the facts in front of people explaining that Elenin is (or was) a comet not bigger than 5 km across that cannot affect the gravity of earth and will not hit earth. Despite this there are even now still people out there who believe ELEnin with hit earth and that it is 500 miles across and 10 times more massive than Jupiter and has a fleet of spacecraft trailing it. (Did I miss anything?)