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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by smarterthanyou
Tell you what. Listen to his radio show on infowars.com from 11-2 Central time aka. 12-3 EST Mon-Fri and Today (SUNDAY) hes on at 4-6pm Central 5-7pm Eastern, listen to everything he says and fact check it as soon as he says it.


Yeah, that is exactly why I know he is full of crap right there.




posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by InsideYourMind
reply to post by foood4thought
 


Sadly i don't have time to view the video right now, though i will ask this...


This is definitely the biggest Alex Jones debunking video I've ever seen.

Since when is alex jones something to debunk? He airs a radio show.... its a voiced opinion on the world from one mans view. Of course things may be "untrue" but its more or less him making sense of what "doesn't make sense".

Its not really something to debunk, sounds like whoever made this "debunking video" has too much time on their hands and/or is trying too hard.

You can't debunk personal opinion...


So Alex does not make claims and state they are proven facts?
Something tells me you need to listen to him.
Each time he says "This is admitted, folks" the fact is, if there is no actual admission, that is a claim and a lie.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by Merlin Lawndart
For someone who is all about money, I find it odd he carries no copyright on his material, so there goes that argument. He openly tells people to make copies and hand them out to people. Boy, what a greedy jerk

And do you have any proof of this supposed CNN endorsement?


Oh really?
He can NOT copyright his videos.
He suggests you get them for free.
People still buy them by the dozens from him.
People still send him money just so he can keep making videos.

So Alex has free videos for his fans to watch and they send him money for those videos and to keep making those videos. Uh huh. Who is the moron there?



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Merlin Lawndart

Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by muzzleflash
That's odd, last I checked AJ gave away his videos and stuff for free. He also doesn't charge anyone to watch his youtube videos or check his websites or listen to his radio show...


You should check again because Alex does indeed charge for his videos. Where did you get the idea he sends them out for free?

You ever been to google or the youtube? His videos are all available for free. Nice try


You know how to read English?
Read my actual posts as this has been addressed already.
I never said you cannot get his movies for free. In fact I stated that I got all his movies for free.
What I disputed was the fact that Alex sends out DVDs for free. I provided the link to his latest video for $19.95.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by FallenWun
 


In a court of law, the Prosecuting Attorney has to provide evidence to prove guilt.

If evidence is provided, the defendant has a chance to dispute it.





You better go learn about court all over again.
The prosecution MAKES A CLAIM.
The defense calls that claim a lie.
Where is the burden of proof? With the prosecution.
Alex made claims.
The youtuber called them a lie.
Where does the burden of proof fall?


Youtube has now become the Court of Public Opinion the same as every site where you can blog, respond or post on. In a real court the burden of proof of libel and slander always falls on the one who is the plaintiff. If we post something against someone it is libel because it is written, slander is always by word of mouth.

The most Alex Jones could do is say that people libeled him by calling him a liar. He does not have to prove what he lied about, only that he was libeled. But by making himself popular, he makes himself a public figure in which all of his statements are going to be dissected by the public. And then it can only be libel if he was damaged by it. I don't think we are damaging him more than he is already damaging himself. Public figures need credibility and if he proves himself not to credible, then the courts will see that and his testimony would be dismissed. I think he lost a lot more credibility when he said George Washington did not exist.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff

Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by muzzleflash
That's odd, last I checked AJ gave away his videos and stuff for free. He also doesn't charge anyone to watch his youtube videos or check his websites or listen to his radio show...


You should check again because Alex does indeed charge for his videos. Where did you get the idea he sends them out for free?


Go to You Tube, type in "Alex Jones", boy that was a tough one!


Actually read my posts on this topic, there are more than there should be now. Now make your response make sense. See how tough that one is for you.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff
It was the OP that made the claim of lies.

No, it was AJ that made the claims that were then called lies.

It is a lot of work for AJ supporters to argue these unsupported allegations.


Then get hopping. This is your hero and you cannot pick out even one thing out of those 123 and explain how it is not a complete lie?

Why should the burden of proof fall on the AJ supporters?

Because they are the ones saying that what he claims is true. How can they make that claim if they cannot even present any reason why they believe it?

When I feel like it, I will argue one of the lies empirically. The OP is entitled to his 1st Amendment rights to his opinion. That is all it is worth.

I will not be holding my breath.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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reply to post by WarminIndy
 


Thanks I was running low on incoherent rambling nonsense that does nothing to convince me that Alex is not completely full of crap.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by Merlin Lawndart
For someone who is all about money, I find it odd he carries no copyright on his material, so there goes that argument. He openly tells people to make copies and hand them out to people. Boy, what a greedy jerk

And do you have any proof of this supposed CNN endorsement?


Oh really?
He can NOT copyright his videos.
He suggests you get them for free.
People still buy them by the dozens from him.
People still send him money just so he can keep making videos.

So Alex has free videos for his fans to watch and they send him money for those videos and to keep making those videos. Uh huh. Who is the moron there?


Actually anything that is created such as art, song or film, it is copywritten when it was created. All of his stuff is copywritten. Every artist knows this, every playwright knows this, every filmmaker knows this and every musician knows this. You can go to the copywrite office to have it done, but most playwrights and screenplay writers will mail themselves a copy of their material and not open it to have proof it is theirs. But videos, the moment they are released they are copywritten. He has not been in this business this long without knowing that. Everybody in the entertainment business knows that.What he cannot do is copywright someone else's work. If he borrows things from other people without proper reference, then he has violated their copyright.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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All you need to do is provide any proof of any of the claims AJ makes. Why can't you?


Okay, I'll validate one of his latest points.

Alex Jones point: The NFL is patting down (groping) people who go to the game.

Validation: www.thedaily.com...

I have wasted my time proving a point made by AJ you could have easily done on your own.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy
Actually anything that is created such as art, song or film, it is copywritten when it was created.

Absolutely false.
Are you honestly suggesting that if I make a video full of clips from Transformers 3, it is all mine just because I made it?


All of his stuff is copywritten.


No, none of his videos are. He cannot afford to do it.

Every artist knows this, every playwright knows this, every filmmaker knows this and every musician knows this.


You hurt your head? Alex is none of those things. Have you ever watched his movies? 90% of them is stuff he cannot clear.

You can go to the copywrite office to have it done, but most playwrights and screenplay writers will mail themselves a copy of their material and not open it to have proof it is theirs. But videos, the moment they are released they are copywritten. He has not been in this business this long without knowing that. Everybody in the entertainment business knows that.What he cannot do is copywright someone else's work. If he borrows things from other people without proper reference, then he has violated their copyright.


You are really confused.
If I paint a picture, it is mine.
If I write a song, it is mine.
If I put a video together full of things OTHER PEOPLE CREATED then I have to spend a lot of time and money with lawyers in order to find a way to copyright MY video of THEIR stuff.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff
reply to post by FallenWun
 



All you need to do is provide any proof of any of the claims AJ makes. Why can't you?


Okay, I'll validate one of his latest points.

Alex Jones point: The NFL is patting down (groping) people who go to the game.

Validation: www.thedaily.com...

I have wasted my time proving a point made by AJ you could have easily done on your own.





Why did you have to go find such a bland claim to back up? They have been saying that stuff on my local news and all over the radio on the left and the right. So the best you can do is prove that one thing Alex said is kind of true even though it is common knowledge with all kinds of personalities on broadcasting?
Why can't you go to any of the lies in the OP?
If Alex says humans breathe, I am not going to dispute that. You really had to reach for this one, didn't you?
Hey, how about you come over here and we can go visit that FEMA camp together that Clinton is going to put us all in. You can explain to me how they plan to keep us in an empty field 14 years ago. I guess Alex forgot to mention the time travel and invisible buildings.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff
reply to post by FallenWun
 



All you need to do is provide any proof of any of the claims AJ makes. Why can't you?


Okay, I'll validate one of his latest points.

Alex Jones point: The NFL is patting down (groping) people who go to the game.

Validation: www.thedaily.com...

I have wasted my time proving a point made by AJ you could have easily done on your own.



But doesn't it make you feel safer knowing that someone cares whether or not you get shot or stabbed at a football game. After the incident in California of the man beaten to death after a football game make me nervous enough. I think that until people start to act decent toward each other then we have no right to complain, as Alex Jones does, when those in authority must act to prevent deaths at football games. And while we are at it, until people stop taking shoe bombs on planes, then something has to be done to prevent it.

Alex Jones is trying to blame the government for actions by citizens. If I have to suffer equally with all Americans by being patted down because some foolish people think it is ok to hurt people, then I must suffer through. After all, isn't it neighbors who break in our houses and steal our cars? Sometimes we don't like medicine but it is good for us to take it. The old addage is..an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. While we don't like it, it is still necessary.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by R3N3G4D3

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
Warning -- Alex Jones troll above.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Go after the real bad guys will ya?


Like a lieing scammer who uses fear tactics to gain money from people who are batsnip insane? Have you heard half his callers? Jeez.... Jones plays on these poor saps.

He may have gotten people into this stuff, but it's people like William Cooper who showed the TRUE side of whats up.


That's odd, last I checked AJ gave away his videos and stuff for free. He also doesn't charge anyone to watch his youtube videos or check his websites or listen to his radio show...

Name me one media organization that doesn't take advantage of paranoia to up their ratings. Also, show me a media organization that doesn't run highly questionable advertisements.

AJ has never got a dime from me, but I have listened to him and watched his videos.

Also, I find it rather unfair to just say his listeners are insane. Maybe some are, but aren't most of the MSM believers also quite insane?

Actually, show me someone who is not insane. I want to meet them.


"Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you" -- Carl Jung

Couldn't resist.. I love the guy.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by WarminIndy
Actually anything that is created such as art, song or film, it is copywritten when it was created.

Absolutely false.
Are you honestly suggesting that if I make a video full of clips from Transformers 3, it is all mine just because I made it?


Then you would be using someone else's already copywritten material. But you can make another film entitled Transformers 3 because titles of films cannot be copywritten.



No, none of his videos are. He cannot afford to do it.


He has been selling his stuff for how long now? And productions always cost money.




You hurt your head? Alex is none of those things. Have you ever watched his movies? 90% of them is stuff he cannot clear.


Is that because he is using copywritten material himself without proper reference or credit? And yes, news sources are not copywritten so they can be used anytime. He uses a lot of those.




You are really confused.
If I paint a picture, it is mine.
If I write a song, it is mine.
If I put a video together full of things OTHER PEOPLE CREATED then I have to spend a lot of time and money with lawyers in order to find a way to copyright MY video of THEIR stuff.


You don't need lawyers if you ask them first and they give you permission. But you must always give them credit. Sometimes you may have to pay and sometimes you don't. I am an independent filmmaker by the way, I have things that were released that I wrote. Someone else may come along and make a film like the one I made but the only thing they cannot do is use the dialogue verbatim. That is why we see so many films that are copycats.

The thing that can't be copywritten would be if I made a video of only one image of the flag. Any State Park and any national monument that is American belongs to the people of the United States. That is why most documentary filmmakers use national battlegrounds because they don't have to pay and they are not violating copyrights.

If I make a documentary with my name on it and my dialogue is copywritten. The producers do not have copyright on any screenplay unless the producer himself wrote it. Alex Jones is his own producer, therefore anything that is his dialogue and his image saying it, it is copywritten. Any film student learns this their first year of college.

All radio broadcasts prior to the 1950s are not copywritten, so if you use F.D.R.s Fireside Speeches that were broadcast, they can be used because they were before that time frame.

So if you think Alex Jones cannot copywrite, then you go ahead and make a film using his dialogue, see what happens.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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Okay, I will argue your point. Are you going to discredit Jesse Ventura as well? Probably. Watch the video.




posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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So what, he's on our side. It's obvious that the elites are not. sometimes ones HAS to embellish a statement to equal the shock value that everyone is so used to today....otherwise they wouldn't listen at all. Sometimes you have to fight liar with liar.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy

Then you would be using someone else's already copywritten material. But you can make another film entitled Transformers 3 because titles of films cannot be copywritten.


Have you ever even watched one of his videos? Something tells me no. The amount of original content created by Alex or his "team" is minimal at best if existent at all. That is why Alex cannot copyright his videos. Please tell me you understand this.



He has been selling his stuff for how long now? And productions always cost money.


Your point?



Is that because he is using copywritten material himself without proper reference or credit? And yes, news sources are not copywritten so they can be used anytime. He uses a lot of those.


Really? You never even seen an AJ video have you? I am not talking about newsclips but just so you know, those have to be cleared too.



You don't need lawyers if you ask them first and they give you permission.

Wow, great point. Too bad it has nothing to do with this.

But you must always give them credit. Sometimes you may have to pay and sometimes you don't. I am an independent filmmaker by the way, I have things that were released that I wrote. Someone else may come along and make a film like the one I made but the only thing they cannot do is use the dialogue verbatim. That is why we see so many films that are copycats.

I work for a production company so I guess we can toss internet credentials at each other all day long. Unfortunately this is just ancillary junk that applies none here. You make your films your way. I will make mine my way. Alex will make his his way. Unfortunately we all have to abide by the same rules. Even you.


The thing that can't be copywritten would be if I made a video of only one image of the flag. Any State Park and any national monument that is American belongs to the people of the United States. That is why most documentary filmmakers use national battlegrounds because they don't have to pay and they are not violating copyrights.


Documentary filmmaker Alex is not.


If I make a documentary with my name on it and my dialogue is copywritten. The producers do not have copyright on any screenplay unless the producer himself wrote it. Alex Jones is his own producer, therefore anything that is his dialogue and his image saying it, it is copywritten. Any film student learns this their first year of college.


If his videos were 100% black screen and just his dialogue you would have a great point. Reality says differently.


All radio broadcasts prior to the 1950s are not copywritten, so if you use F.D.R.s Fireside Speeches that were broadcast, they can be used because they were before that time frame.

So if you think Alex Jones cannot copywrite, then you go ahead and make a film using his dialogue, see what happens.




I have to wonder how much you think you know about something you cannot even spell correctly. Alex videos are not copyrighted simply because they contain a lot more than his written dialogue and easily fair used footage.
Do you understand the rules of fair use?



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff
reply to post by FallenWun
 

Okay, I will argue your point. Are you going to discredit Jesse Ventura as well? Probably. Watch the video.



TV's Jesse the body Venture who totally blew the lid off of HAARP?

Oh god. I cannot watch your video right now but if you are going to rely on Ventura, another person who makes money off of scaring people about crap that is not real then this is such a lost cause.
2 seasons of his show and he exposed.....
NOTHING.
Sum up the video for me if it matters that much to you.




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