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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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I guess them not knowing the history of gold supplies fits right in with their problem pricing it as well. They advertise wholesale prices but anyone actually checking will find they mark up their gold 35-40%. So Alex and his sponsors are all a little loose with the facts I guess.




posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Try being realistic for just one moment.
All I am asking for is the most simple of all things.
An address. Lat/long coordinates. A video. A photo. A google maps picture. You know, something ACTUAL.

How many of these FEMA camps have you visited?
I went down to the one nearest me that Alex posted on his list of detention centers.
Where you been?



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff
Here is the link to H.R 645 identified in the video. Read it!

www.uaff.info...


Why do I have to do your research for you?
This bill never passed.
How did you miss that in all your research?
Also, I would like to know how Alex has been using this bill as proof for over a decade now when it is only 2 years old.


111th Congress: 2009-2010
3%
97%

To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.
Sponsor: Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL23]

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.
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Your research is stunning.
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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by ontarff
Maybe KMR could provide the details...here is an article from the NY Times.

www.nytimes.com...


Um...where are the FEMA camps?
5 years ago KBR got a contract to build temporary detention centers. The contract was for one year with 4 possible extensions.

WHERE ARE THE CAMPS?

Jesus this is like talking to the wall.
Alex says there are FEMA camps.
You say Alex is right.

Show me on f***ing FEMA camp already then.


I looked it up and found a website that purports there to FEMA camps. The problem is this, I frequently go to some of those areas and know people in others and yet in none of those areas have I seen a FEMA camp or heard anyone from those areas say there are FEMA camps.

www.mindfully.org...

Most of the places listed are actual military bases being used currently to train the military. So they see helicopters at Air Forces bases, imagine that.

Wow, these people who believe Alex Jones will buy into anything he says just because he says it. Most of the places are "possible" meaning "I tell you it is so believe me".

Amazing that they also list Leavenworth prison as a FEMA camp. Wow, is there no end to these people?

Keep on plugging in there FallenWu, you are doing a great job.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by ontarff
Maybe KMR could provide the details...here is an article from the NY Times.

www.nytimes.com...


Um...where are the FEMA camps?
5 years ago KBR got a contract to build temporary detention centers. The contract was for one year with 4 possible extensions.

WHERE ARE THE CAMPS?

Jesus this is like talking to the wall.
Alex says there are FEMA camps.
You say Alex is right.

Show me on f***ing FEMA camp already then.


Here is the plan for using Army installations...

armypubs.army.mil...

Many identified here are military installations...

www.mindfully.org...

Here is a recent video of the facility identified in the Jesse Ventura video.

www.youtube.com...

Here is one in Seattle...

www.youtube.com...

If I provided pictures, you would still be in denial.
edit on 9/18/2011 by ontarff because: additional information.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff

Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by ontarff
Maybe KMR could provide the details...here is an article from the NY Times.

www.nytimes.com...


Um...where are the FEMA camps?
5 years ago KBR got a contract to build temporary detention centers. The contract was for one year with 4 possible extensions.

WHERE ARE THE CAMPS?

Jesus this is like talking to the wall.
Alex says there are FEMA camps.
You say Alex is right.

Show me on f***ing FEMA camp already then.


Here is the plan for using Army installations...

armypubs.army.mil...

Many identified here are military installations...

www.mindfully.org...

If I provided pictures you would still be in denial.



You used the same link I did and yet we don't agree. I have been in those areas and know people in those areas, not seen or heard of FEMA camps there. Do you know that people in Indianapolis, where I live by currently are more concerned with the Colts than FEMA camps? In fact, no person where I am at has said they have seen a FEMA camp here and they have lived here all their lives.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff

Here is the plan for using Army installations...

armypubs.army.mil...

Many identified here are military installations...

www.mindfully.org...

Yes, there are indeed military installations. I never doubted that for a second. I did not think our military practiced at home. Your last "plan" that you presented fell apart in 10 seconds of googling it. Your research leaves me wanting a great deal.


If I provided pictures you would still be in denial.



Good thing you believe that you so do not even have to bother finding pictures, right? If you are so sure I would deny pictures why would you offer me anything at all? Why post this link if you are so sure I would deny pictures? You make no sense. Either you want me to believe or you do not. There is no middle ground.

The fact is, you have NO PICTURES.
You can not get any pictures.
You cannot even give me a location.
How about you go down to the Niagara storage site and point out to me which buildings will be holding people. Then tell me where the invisible fencing is.

All I asked for is even a little proof of just one FEMA camp. Why are you still dancing with me? You cannot prove it but you keep trying to half prove it. This lame attempt to convince me with nothing and then dismiss me as not willing to believe anyway before you ever produce a single shred of evidence is a weak tactic.

The whole FEMA camp thing is bull and if it was not, in this INTERNET age of cameras everywhere, you would have blown me out of the water by now.

Can you please clear up that list for me. I have seen better lists with real places. What the hell is this?

Ft. Drum - two compounds: Rex 84 detention camp and FEMA detention facility. Albany - FEMA detention facility. Otisville - Federal correctional facility, near Middletown. Buffalo - FEMA detention facility.


Buffalo - FEMA detention facility?
Um...the whole city of Buffalo?
Albany - FEMA detention facility?
The whole city of Albany?

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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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Wow, I wonder how
much that cat makes per post?

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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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Hmmmmm....
foood4thought,
FallenWun, and R3N3G4D3, on the same payroll much??

edit on 9/18/2011 by FoJAk because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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I'll be the first to admit that Alex isn't perfect. He's added a lot of extra made up crap to his ramblings to add to the paranoia and hysteria of his show, responded to callers who question his agenda with ad hominem attacks, made asinine comments like "gays are creations of the government" and once claimed that the military follows him home. I think what's important is that, for the most part (and compared to some MSM talking heads like Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly), Alex is truthful and his message is very humbling and not backed by phony mega corporations.
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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by WarminIndy
I looked it up and found a website that purports there to FEMA camps. The problem is this, I frequently go to some of those areas and know people in others and yet in none of those areas have I seen a FEMA camp or heard anyone from those areas say there are FEMA camps.


Right there with you. It is not hard to find a list of places that was put out by Alex and others of his ilk. My problem is your problem. I have gone to them. Anyone that can explain to me how that Niagara Storage Site could hold anything other than pollutants just might be my hero.


www.mindfully.org...

Most of the places listed are actual military bases being used currently to train the military. So they see helicopters at Air Forces bases, imagine that.


That is the other thing. He says military bases. Ok. So his fans go and look and see there is a military base there and just decide he was right about it being a FEMA detention center. I have no idea how to make that leap in logic.


Wow, these people who believe Alex Jones will buy into anything he says just because he says it. Most of the places are "possible" meaning "I tell you it is so believe me".


And most of these lists are about a decade or more old so I have to wonder what is taking so long to get those fences up.


Amazing that they also list Leavenworth prison as a FEMA camp. Wow, is there no end to these people?

Keep on plugging in there FallenWu, you are doing a great job.


Thanks, because I think it was our little sparring that got me to actually take these people more seriously than I wanted to and actually try to respond to them in real terms. Sorry about all that but like I said, even when I was arguing with you you were making great points so at least.

I just really hope that some of these people will take notice of what you are actually doing here. You are providing the links and doing the research on their links they are not doing. I wish some would take a cue from you and scrutinize Alex the same way you are.

I have not seen you attack him or be mean about it. All you have done is point out that our light bulbs cannot really spy on us and that this FEMA camp list is bunk. Straighforward research and facts is upsetting to his audience of basement dwellers, eating their canned Steak Diane at $80 bucks a can, counting their gold, and drinking that fine Berkey water! If they did that, they might have to admit they were wrong to follow this guy into the bomb shelter and no one wants to do that.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by ForeverDusk
I'll be the first to admit that Alex isn't perfect. He's added a lot of extra made up crap to his ramblings to add to the paranoia and hysteria of his show, responded to callers who question his agenda with ad hominem attacks, made asinine comments like "gays are creations of the government" and once claimed that the military follows him home. I think what's important is that, for the most part (and compared to some MSM talking heads like Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly),


Help me resolve the above with the following

Alex is truthful and his message is very humbling and not backed by phony mega corporations.
edit on 9/18/2011 by ForeverDusk because: (no reason given)


This is like the 4th post in this thread where someone said "Yeah he lies sometimes but he is honest."



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by ForeverDusk
I'll be the first to admit that Alex isn't perfect. He's added a lot of extra made up crap to his ramblings to add to the paranoia and hysteria of his show, responded to callers who question his agenda with ad hominem attacks, made asinine comments like "gays are creations of the government" and once claimed that the military follows him home. I think what's important is that, for the most part (and compared to some MSM talking heads like Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly),


Help me resolve the above with the following

Alex is truthful and his message is very humbling and not backed by phony mega corporations.
edit on 9/18/2011 by ForeverDusk because: (no reason given)


This is like the 4th post in this thread where someone said "Yeah he lies sometimes but he is honest."


Point is, I'd rather listen to him any day of the week than total dbags like Ann Cult-er.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Okay you make no sense yourself, you attack other members, try to point out flaws in their logic and posts, but you don't account for your own mistakes and ignorance. Instead of attacking other people how about you supply some facts to disprove what is being said?



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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What exactly would you consider as empirical evidence?

I am not going to find any confidential documents to support my argument. Here is a Wikipedia link to support the Army plan you refused to acknowledge.

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is one from Alex Jones...

www.infowars.com...

Supported by a second source here...

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by ForeverDusk
Point is, I'd rather listen to him any day of the week than total dbags like Ann Cult-er.


That was the point? Are you sure? I would rather listen to Alex over Ann as well but you will never catch me saying that although someone lies a lot, they are honest. I do not get that at all.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Nobama
reply to post by FallenWun
 


Okay you make no sense yourself, you attack other members, try to point out flaws in their logic and posts, but you don't account for your own mistakes and ignorance. Instead of attacking other people how about you supply some facts to disprove what is being said?


So this entire post that does nothing but personally attack me is what?
I actually supplied some facts and it sent Ontarff into a tale spin of distractions. Maybe you can tell me where they are going to keep people at the Niagara "FEMA CAMP."

When you take the time to go off topic and just attack someone because you do not like their posting, you kid of lose credibility in the whole "all you do is attack" department.

How about you kids get cracking on showing me one of those FEMA camps instead of pissing all over each other in a pro-Alex fervor completely devoid of facts.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff
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What exactly would you consider as empirical evidence?


Well not rumors, bills that never passed, and vague locations that when looked into do not exist or fit the given profile. Do you really need a lesson on empirical evidence from me?


I am not going to find any confidential documents to support my argument. Here is a Wikipedia link to support the Army plan you refused to acknowledge.

en.wikipedia.org...


Refuse to acknowledge? Probably because nothing in that link says anything about any of these supposed FEMA camps.


Here is one from Alex Jones...

www.infowars.com...

Supported by a second source here...

www.youtube.com...
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Yeah, I already went through all the crap "from Alex." How do you think I got here? What do you think made me go check out the Niagara "FEMA camp?"

Your biggest problem is that you keep assuming I do not get any info from Alex.

I am not going through the trouble to watch another youtube video. There are videos debunking your camps too you know. I am sure you know which videos to believe and which not to though.

As for your link from Alex.
Um....

STILL WAITING FOR ONE FREAKING CAMP. JUST ONE.
None are supplied at your link.

Holy crap they have GED classrooms oh noes!!!!!

Did you notice anything special about that "detention center?"
It is set up like a prison.
Why?
Because it is a prison, genius.
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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by ForeverDusk
Point is, I'd rather listen to him any day of the week than total dbags like Ann Cult-er.


That was the point? Are you sure? I would rather listen to Alex over Ann as well but you will never catch me saying that although someone lies a lot, they are honest. I do not get that at all.


And William Jefferson Clinton NEVER had sex with that woman....

Richard Milhouse Nixon was not a crook.....

I know I am being funny here, but but honesty and lies are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Have you ever heard of that riddle, how do you know which man is lying if they both say "I am not a liar". So one can be lying when he says it so that makes him a liar by default. I need to look that up because I just thought of it.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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Yeah I am completely baffled how anyone can admit someone lies and makes stuff up and then call them honest at the same time. That is a whole new level of wanting to believe.



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