Islam, Christanity and Judisam.....What is the difference?

Prove the 4000. I call that a lie.

This will be my last post to you.

Did you prove, or answer any of the questions I asked you? I think not, so stop being a hyopcrite.

Deep

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
I really don't care what you have to say anymore. You have proved that you know nothing of a faith you vehemently bash time after time.

For your own good, learn something before you make judgments.

You never even answered my questions, and you intend to call the rest close-minded zealots.

Deep

What do you want me to tell you... Mohammed robbed & murdered meccan caravans that were enroute to and from damascus while in Yathrib, I know the story. I know Mohammed was betrayed by the Jews in Yathrib and Islam obviously STILL holds it against them. I know Mohammed took his adopted sons wife as his own. I know Mohammed too a 6yr old for a wife.
All of this and Islam claims Mohammed and Jesus and the other prophets were without sin.

Sir all the above is a sin. Mohammed is the False Prophet.

Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by looking4clues
Your original post is open to debate or not?

Its what we have been trying to get you back on to from the start your last post was a good start the question is not wether or not I believe in God its the differences between the two.

I deplore what the Muslims are doing in those countries

My next question if the religious right controled THIS country do you think freedom of religion would be allowed here?

Christainity has historicaly not allowed it.

Remember the Inquestion?

The US the country I think you are questioning is controlled by Christians who uphold the constitution and are tolerant. they are 82% of the US population. Meaning 82% of the US claims to be Christian. Christians wrote the constitution.

I want you to answer questions I raised.

Also, 9 year old *, he never consumated with this girl untill she was mature in age either. Get your facts straight.

Skimming through the internet and touting information that has no revelence serves no merit.

Deep

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
I want you to answer questions I raised.

Also, 9 year old *, he never consumated with this girl untill she was mature in age either. Get your facts straight.

Skimming through the internet and touting information that has no revelence serves no merit.

Deep

Married at 6 consumated at 9.

Al noor, what is this ? I don't speak Arabic.

Jesus, what is his role in Islam, is he a God, messenger, a normal man ? According to Islam Jesus, Isa was a prophet not of any dvinity but still a miracle birth and ascended into heaven while Alive.

What is Prophet Muhhameds position in regards to man, and in comparison to the figure of Jesus. From what I have gathered, Islam believes Mohammed is a an example of a good muslim. And both Jesus and Mohammed were without sin. Christians and Jews are of the book...but you should kill the infidel where you find him.

According to Islam, Jesus and his disciples wrote the original Bible, but, sadly, it was.....? lost to corruption...(rewritten)

Who did Abraham, Moses and Jesus originaly preach, according to Islamic dogma? Jews

Why are the Jews not Gods chosen people, according to Islam? Because they believe they are.

Happy... so I got them all wrong... as I expect.... interpretation is relative.

Yes, an hour later, and through countless searching of Islamic research sites.....

Deep

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
Yes, an hour later, and through countless searching of Islamic research sites.....

Deep

Sir... I did not search at all. those are all my words. nothing new has been learned about Islam today. Or yesterday or since coming to this forum.

Originally posted by Amuk
That is a very good reason why religion should NOT be a part of laws.

In the Bible the price for adultry is death by stoning

That is just an example on the Christian side

Nope- NT is Christianity.

Mat 5:27 You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery;'
Mat 5:28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Joh 8:3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman taken in adultery. Having set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 they told him, "Teacher, we found this woman in adultery, in the very act.
Joh 8:5 Now in our law, Moses commanded us to stone such. What then do you say about her?"
Joh 8:6 They said this testing him, that they might have something to accuse him of. But Jesus stooped down, and wrote on the ground with his finger.
Joh 8:7 But when they continued asking him, he looked up and said to them, He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her.
Joh 8:8 Again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 They, when they heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning from the oldest, even to the last. Jesus was left alone with the woman where she was, in the middle.
Joh 8:10 Jesus, standing up, saw her and said, Woman, where are your accusers? Did no one condemn you?
Joh 8:11 She said, "No one, Lord." Jesus said, Neither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more.

Religious rules should NEVER be incorperated into the law of the land, the middle east is a prime example of why.

I believe the basis for much of western law is religion. The differences lay in the application.

If the religious right took over here we would see the same nonsense here

Sad but historically true.

*edit= hmm, this color thing me thinks needs a little tweak



[edit on 26/8/2004 by PublicGadfly]

"Christanity, judaism and islam the same tree"???

Jesus says; "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

"Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

So if the followers are the fruit and the tree is founder of the religiom and the relgion.

Which religion bears bad fruit?

The tree of jesus
The tree of mohammed??

That is a very good reason why religion should NOT be a part of laws.

In the Bible the price for adultry is death by stoning

That is just an example on the Christian side

I think he was referring to these,

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


Deep

How is it we can judge Islam on the worst things to come out of the mouths of Muslims or the worst deeds, when we know that Christians have said and done the same things?

Hmmm... let's see:

Cardinal Law: Huge Catholic leader, covering up the RAPE OF UNDERAGE BOYS by his priests for years.

Ann Coulter, popular right-wing pundit: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."

David Koresh, the 'Rock and Roll Jesus,' sleeping with underage girls, hording guns, and shooting federal agents.

Frederick Chiluba, president of Zambia, who has been forcibly turning the country to Christianity since 1991. Pat Robertson said of him "Wouldn't you like a guy like that to be President of the United States?" lmao.

Here's some more Roberston quotes:

"The mission of the Christian Coalition is simple," says Pat Robertson. It is "to mobilize Christians -- one precinct at a time, one community at a time -- until once again we are the head and not the tail, and at the top rather than the bottom of our political system." Robertson predicts that "the Christian Coalition will be the most powerful political force in America by the end of this decade." And, "We have enough votes to run this country...and when the people say, 'We've had enough,' we're going to take over!"

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."

Wow, Pat, you and the Taliban are tight, eh? Oh wait, I think he's ordering some burqas:

"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

The fact is all religions have their dark side. The difference is whether you are bombarded by propaganda that shows your side is good while the other side is evil, and that depends on where you live.

Trust me, Muslims have as much propaganda against Christians as Christians do against Muslims. Right-wing Muslims and Christians have so much in common it's funny. Normal people who believe in Christianity or Islam are more alike than a normal Christian and a right-wing Christian, or normal Muslims and extremists.

By the way, looking4clues, you said you recognize Islam is a problem, but you have no answer for it. Let me offer two:

A - We abolish Islam worldwide with all the fun things that come along with it.
B - We learn to accept others and counter extremism where we find it.

If you can think of any more options, let me know.

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

No, its the keeper of the tree who decides wether or not if will produce, Good apples, or Bad apples. It is up to him/her to steer the fate of the tree into whichever way he/she permits and deems fit. I can take a good tree and have it produce sour apples, or nurture a bad tree into producing good apples.

Deep

Ps. Tree's change with the seasons...

I think people arguing that stoning someone to death is so bad. The person does not understand the seriousness of the crime.
Adultery in this society of secularism is really prompted, we live in immoral society so it's expected to see comments like that.

Christians : do not stone sinners to death anyway, because only the the sineless are allowed to judge.

When jesus helped mary the prositute he was the only one allowed to stone her, he didn't. But he said sin no more. But in todays society it's prompted "sin more". We don't have ethical. moral laws. These laws are based on money structure. If it makes money, make it keep on making money, create laws for that to happen.

if commiting adultery creates better enconyment? well the government will support it then.

Its not called adultery, it's been given a softer name cheating.

What sounds better "Hey you commited adultery" Sounds like you killed someone

"You cheated" that doesn't sound like a crime. Our societys are immoral.



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"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."

Suddenly that pro-feminist girl I have a crush does not seem to apealing...

One questions, though as ignorant as it may sound, who is Pat Robertson, I have heard his name come up here and there, but nothing do conclusive. Does he have a fundamental role in politics and world affairs?

Looking4clues,

Remember something the next time you accuse a doctrine of breeding terrorists as its sole motive,

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Religions don't kill people, people kill people

Deep

I think people arguing that stoning someone to death is so bad. The person does not understand the seriousness of the crime.
Adultery in this society of secularism is really prompted, we live in immoral society so it's expecteds comments like that.

Thats relative, it may seem wrong to you, but to the next man, it seems perfectly logical. A crime against humanity ? A crime against one-self ? A crime against religion ? A crime against your spouse ?

You cannot blame secularism on adultrey, if adultry had not been a problem in the first place, Judeo-Christianity would not have gone out of thier way to condem it.

Christians : do not stone sinners death anyway, because only the the sineless are allowed to judge.

According to Christianity, all man/women is born with inherent Sin. So who would judge, God ? Using this logic, should we let criminals who commite crimes free, becuase we are not merrited to judge them ?

When jesus helped mary the prositute he was the only one allowed to, he didn't. But he said sin no more. But in todays society it's prompted "sin more". We don't have ethical. moral laws. These laws are based on money structure. If it makes money, makes it keeps on making money.

We do have ethical and moral laws. You speak as if society is anarchy dicate. The laws and morals of Christianity are topical of a certain time period and people, you cannot adhere the Laws of Christos to a multi-religious society.

These laws are what stop you neighbour from stealing your car every morning, or protecting you from terrorists, making sure you get to school safe, etc, etc, etc.

Religions only bring subjective morals and ethics.

Deep

Feminism.

Is like a person that cry's oppression, but their is no oppression in other to start a war.

Common people that use oppression to start a war "Muslims terrorists, feminists.

"We do have ethical and moral laws. You speak as if society is anarchy dicate. The laws and morals of Christianity are topical of a certain time period and people, you cannot adhere the Laws of Christos to a multi-religious society. "

Yeah thats because stealing, terrorists can hurt the money follow, economy. Banging another man wifes causes divorce and more jobs

In reality Secularism has it's own laws in which it believes are correct. But still the society has problems, people are not happy. Meaning the secularism is not working.

Clinton banged another women
Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction

Even the leaders are not ethical or moral.

Rememember bad tree's create bad fruit.

How you expect to have a great nation when the leader is corput?

Originally posted by Thinker

What sounds better "Hey you commited adultery" Sounds like you killed someone

"You cheated" that doesn't sound like a crime. Our societys are immoral.

I agree with your post.

Math 5:28 has stuck with me since my last year in college

Mat 5:28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Now that's pretty clear.

Originally posted by ZeroDeep

Originally posted by Thinker
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

No, its the keeper of the tree who decides wether or not if will produce, Good apples, or Bad apples. It is up to him/her to steer the fate of the tree into whichever way he/she permits and deems fit. I can take a good tree and have it produce sour apples, or nurture a bad tree into producing good apples.

Deep
Ps. Tree's change with the seasons...

I disagree with your statements. Nothing good can come from that which is corrupt, nothing bad will come from that which is good. These "keepers" you refer to are why so many evils have been commited in the name of good.

Math 7:15 for false prophets, above

What is a season?

For the tree of goodness a season may last until the end of time.

If you want to discuss horticulture instead of religious belief then I'll have to do some web searching- you do understand that though.

I don't understand horticulture. I can say I have never given it much notice. As a cloud in the sky I can recognize a fair number of physical things because I see, feel, smell or taste them. There are physical things I just accept without unduly questioning the why- else I would still be wondering at a bird falling dead to the earth without a cry or a sudden coolness when stepping into the shade on a sun filled summer day. I accept these things because they are. As with love and hate, some things exist that have no physical measure- such is belief.