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Topic started on 17-9-2011 @ 12:26 AM by PhysicsAdept

Autopsy: Woman died from shot fired by deputy


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According to Schaller, the deputies were at the motel attempting to serve a warrant when a silver Hyundai Accent pulled into the lot. The deputies were unaware that Vargas, a fugitive, was one of the two women in the vehicle, Schaller said.

When deputies approached, the car sped off and ran over the foot of one of the deputies. A deputy then fired a single shot at the car, which drove out of the motel parking lot and struck a street median.
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reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 12:26 AM by PhysicsAdept
Ok so a person who works at this hospital in the area and told me that there was some woman who ran over a police officer's foot. Before even knowing that the woman was a fugitive, the officers considered the (possible) accident to be assault with a deadly weapon. The woman driving, likely very scared, had ran from the cops when they decided to open fire on the vehicle. The driver of the vehicle, shot by one of the officer's bullets, then made a direct route to the hospital and died in the parking lot. Apparently the family of the woman is extremely disappointed, saying that though she was no outstanding citizen, she also was not really a criminal. Hearsay is that the woman was only a fugitive due to a drug issue, but likely nothing else.

I find this to be very depressing, the death of this lady. I'm sure the cops were only following some written protocol that makes them feel that they have no choice but to act in the name written law, but they had no original idea of the lady's criminal background-- so what gives them the right to shoot on someone like that? No exceptions can be made, ever, and this time it ended in someone's death. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

P.S. The police officer who's foot was bruised made a full recovery and should be able to walk again. He was released from the hospital.

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reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 12:36 AM by Unity_99
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I agree with you. They had no idea she was wanted on a drug charge of some sort and their action was simply to shoot and use leathal force?

It wasn't that many years ago when you had to really justify your use of firearms or lethal force, and it was not something one just does automatically.

These cops seem to me automative. They're almost like those weaponaized drones or AI. Not human.



reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 12:38 AM by PhysicsAdept
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Yes, they are AI who are set on the difficulty level called "unforgiving"

I see these stories all the time, but now I'm glad to see it where I live. I feel so safe!


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 12:38 AM by sonnny1
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I understand officers have to protect themselves. In this case I believe it was justified. You cant use a vehicle to injure someone.Period.Imagine if she was 3-4 inches closer. This officer could have had his foot crushed,or could have been killed..Why did she decide to flee? If she is that willing to flee,use a vehicle to injure someone,I believe that force being used is warranted. She could have easily stopped and given herself up. Period. She chose to put herself in the predicament of getting killed. I know,it sounds heartless,but I am a big proponent on Officers being held to higher standards,and laws changed to protect the average citizen,from a growing police state. Would this story be different if she hit a child,on her way fleeing? Or she ran into a group of people,as she fled ? Would have it been justified then?


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 12:44 AM by PhysicsAdept
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Yes I see where you are coming from. However, if everyone carried a gun when stuff like this happened, everyone would be dead. So why is the officer the lucky guy to be carrying one, and get to use it in these situations? I mean, honestly I do agree with you mostly... However I believe that it is in the duty of any police officer to try to help the public and find win-win situations. I do not believe it to be totally ok for them to basically decide outcomes of people's lives based on emotional response. I think the cop should have found a better way to handle it instead of merely find something to occupy his itchy finger.


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 12:53 AM by sonnny1
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Actually,guns dont kill people.People do. Anything can be used as a weapon. Case in point,a car. The car was reported stolen. I believe this is the reason why she fled.Her life wasn't important enough to just STOP. I can give you many examples of TRUE police injustice. This time,however,I stand by the fact this officer did what was necessary. If she could physically use the car as a weapon,and hit a LEO,shes obviously had NO problem putting the General population at risk.

If you want to see real Police Injustice,I suggest you take a look at this site. You will find all you need here.

Injustice Everywhere


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 12:54 AM by VariableConstant
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I've had my foot run over before, and yeah, it hurt, but did the person that was driving deserve to die?

No way. I could understand if the car was speeding towards them, clearly about to run them over. But after the deed was done, and a bruised foot was the only casualty, to blindly fire into the car?

Way over the top. The deputy should be facing murder charges, or at least manslaughter. Fat chance of that.


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 01:02 AM by Exuberant1
Originally posted by VariableConstant
reply to post by PhysicsAdept


I've had my foot run over before, and yeah, it hurt, but did the person that was driving deserve to die?


If you were a cop and you killed that person, you'd have supporters on this site.

The kids have been raised in the police state. Where you can see the most heinous abuses to ever have occurred in this country, they see only what they saw every day of their short little lives. They think it is okay to electro-torture people and kill them for running over your foot (bot only if you are a cop lol). For the young, it has always been 'okay' to do such things in America.


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 01:23 AM by PhysicsAdept
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Well said, like I have stated I am not totally disagreeing with you here. But still, there was no obvious attempt to harm anyone after the fact (as far as I know) and though she was running from the cops, a shot to the tire of the car seems more befitting to the crime. I mean, a foot for a foot. She was shot in the chest... That makes me believe that the cop wasn't aiming to stop her, he must have been aiming to kill her


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 01:25 AM by PhysicsAdept
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Well the legal system just sucks in general. Tax dollars have no right to be used for supporting people in jail who may or may not belong there. Shooting someone for running over a foot... that is extremism. Keep in mind that the officer knew nothing of the lady except that she gave his foot an owie.


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 01:29 AM by PhysicsAdept
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If I was the deputy you bet I would have been pissed! It's my frickin foot, don't drive on it! But on the other hand, I wouldn't reach for my gun. I would reach for my car keys and limp off toward the car. I would try to catch the criminal, doing justice for the public, and then I would bring the issue to a legal system in which both myself, the victim, and the criminal were tried fairly. Then I'd hope justice would be served on both sides.

Than again, in today's society, no one is willing to work towards "fair" so maybe shooting her would quite realistically put me out of my misery, as I would be the victim of the system.


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 01:30 AM by Blanca Rose
Originally posted by PhysicsAdept
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Well the legal system just sucks in general. Tax dollars have no right to be used for supporting people in jail who may or may not belong there. Shooting someone for running over a foot... that is extremism. Keep in mind that the officer knew nothing of the lady except that she gave his foot an owie.


That is your opinion. How was he to know? She didn't give him a chance to figure it out, instead, running over his foot.

And your right about supporting people in jail. Just kill 'em all. We have better things to do with our tax dollars.


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 01:31 AM by Wookiep
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Perhaps he was as bad of a shot, as she was for maneuvering the car.


Yeah. I'm sure that's what the lawyers will say. I'm sure all his cop buddies will say the same thing. I'm sure you feel real proud when cops assigned to "serve and protect" get away with this kinda thing all the time.

Welcome to the police state, and it's only gonna get worse from here.


reply posted on 17-9-2011 @ 01:32 AM by PhysicsAdept
reply to post by Blanca Rose


A foot=officer's mobility.
A tire=criminal's mobility.

(It's a metaphor)

Also, like I mentioned, he made a full recovery and left the hospital. I'm sure the chick who died would have taken an impounded car over death any day. You wouldn't though, I'm assuming?
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