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How your beliefs influence your Reality and why there is no "Truth".

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posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by OhNoItsCritical
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


I can accept that in a sense, but the question I present to you is what is reality? Quantum Physics states that reality is altered and influenced by our thoughts and viewing, wouldn't that mean that every person is constantly shifting and shaping reality based on what they want, their thoughts, and observations of "reality"? I'm by no means a Quantum Physics expert, but from my very basic understanding of it, that's how it works, right?


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Quantum Physics does NOT state that reality is altered by thoughts and viewing, this is an interpretation by New Age spiritualist. In reality, the observer effect, is not a person with a mind, it's basically ANY matter present at the moment which is arbitrary to the thing being observed. In this case, a "ball" could be an observer. I think most people read in too much into the name of this concept....


There is no peer-reviewed source confirming that we effect reality with thoughts. I used to believe so but now i know that reality is reality and you have to deal with it...



Originally posted by OhNoItsCritical
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There are always certain laws (like gravity) or limitations that we're bound to. Maybe from a spiritual aspect, when we (or God, or our Higher Selves, etc) created the world we had certain rules to follow, much like a game of monopoly or chess. Maybe we just know things from the collective unconsciousness or that after years and years of evolving our brains finally wired themselves to be born with the necessary skills and instincts for survival.
edit on 16-9-2011 by OhNoItsCritical because: (no reason given)


And these "laws" or "limitations" are proof of reality/truth. Reality is not subjective, jump off a building and you'll fall to your death, no matter what you believe.

I know where you're coming from because I used to think like this in the past, but trust me, it can be very DANGEROUS when you believe something that doesn't fit with reality...




posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 04:21 AM
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Absolute reality is what is happening in the moment of now. It is not influenced by thought, in fact it is completely thought free. Observation of reality seems to be the hardest thing for humans because they 'think'. The 'thinking' removes one from reality or truth, if believed. If the thoughts are observed then reality is what observes it. All 'things' including thought appear within the space of now, it is this wordless moment that is true.
Most humans live in a world of make believe (not truth and not reality), they imagine the world, they believe the images in the head are real and act accordingly.
If the truth is seen and known then there can be no more confusion. There is only ever one thing happening and this is it. The words wrong/right, good/bad have no meaning anymore because everything just is.
All beliefs go out the window when the truth is seen. Beliefs are your personal delusion.

Where you are looking from is the truth and what is seen (in the moment) is the truth, without conceptualisation. Any concept is not the truth, it is an interpretation, an abstraction.
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posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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Humans generally live in the world of what is not happening, where anything can happen, but it is really only happening in their heads. The world as such does not exist, only ideas about the world, beliefs accumulated, pieced together from what we have been taught appear to exist because of the picture we have made in the head.
The person you 'think' you are is no more than a concept. There is an image in the head of what i 'think' i am, this changes constantly, i can have fat days or ugly days or moments where i 'think' i am smart or feel stupid.
View the scene with thoughts appearing, observe and then find the observer of thought.
Find that one and the truth will be obvious, however it can not be told, only known.
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posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 05:11 AM
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Quantum physics says nothing exists without a conscious observer being present. The conscious observer must be looking at a 'thing' for it to be a 'thing'. A 'thing' being a particle. A particle is a part. A part from everything else (the whole). 'Things' or parts do not exist as such. It is only the human mind that separates the whole into parts. Thinking is 'thinging', the human mind thingifies the whole, chops it up into bits and get confused, conflicted, fragmented.

It is the act of observation that allows the seen to appear. What is seen and the seer is one thing, they can not be sepatated. The appearance of what is seen is an appearance, however it has to appear on something. It would be impossible for images to appear on the television if it did not have a screen first. All the appearances seen on the television screen look real and solid but when the images disappear (turn tv off) the screen will remain.
When you are in deep sleep there are no images appearing (i am not talking about dreaming), it is like the tv is off, yet the screen is still present.
The screen always is. It is the absolute.
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posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Quantum physics says nothing exists without a conscious observer being present. The conscious observer must be looking at a 'thing' for it to be a 'thing'. A 'thing' being a particle. A particle is a part. A part from everything else (the whole). 'Things' or parts do not exist as such. It is only the human mind that separates the whole into parts. Thinking is 'thinging', the human mind thingifies the whole, chops it up into bits and get confused, conflicted, fragmented.

edit on 17-9-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


Again, where is the scientific evidence for this, that the human mind can turn things into material (or "thingify as you say)?

The observer is not really a "human mind", nor do they need an observer to exist.

What happens is, the wave-function works as it's supposed to but as you add something arbitrary to it, it causes the wave-function to collapse. This is hardly due to an "observer" or an "intelligent mind".

Also, ALL quantum physicist admit that this is just happening in the quantum world and NOT in our macro-world. So if you think that Law of Attraction exists because of quantum physics, and thus we can make our own reality, you are mistaken, because the rules of the quantum world are very different from here.


Basically, everything is less solid that we can imagine, according to quantum physics, but this is useless information. If you punch a wall it will be solid - at least in our macro world.... So those rules don't apply.


Just because as of now, classical physics and quantum physics are contradicting. This does NOT imply that we create our own reality. It just means that the "theory of quantum physics" is not fully developed yet... Sure, quantum physics makes up our current technology, but it's entirely possible to manipulate something without FULLY understanding it. Just because it gives good results doesn't mean that it's 100% accurate.

It's randomness is a dead give away that we don't understand it fully. Nothing is random. Even if you through a dice in the air, if you knew the distance, thrust, wind-speed, and position, you would know what number it would land on precisely. Without any of that data, it would just seem "random"...

Saying that randomness exists and thus we create our own reality, is sort-of like cutting off the branch that we're sitting on, if we create our own reality then this should be true 100% of the time, so that includes gravity and other scientific phenomenons, but even you admit that we can't affect gravity just by believing that it doesn't exist.
edit on 17-9-2011 by arpgme because: More precision in making my point



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by OhNoItsCritical
reply to post by Open2Truth
 


What do you believe is the Truth and how did/are you find/finding it? I feel that this article resonates with me a lot, but maybe because I'm stuck looking in the same places as the author?

I very much resonate with the fact that we all experience what we believe. If you could elaborate and maybe express your opinion on the Truth I'd be interested in hearing.


As far as elaborating on the definition of Truth that I embrace, I would direct you to the previous replies/posts by Agarta. I cannot see any elements that I can add that would be beneficial to you at this point and within this context.


Originally posted by Open2Truth
One of the pieces of wisdom that has served me well on my journey is to take what resonates with you, and leave the rest behind with gratitude. You may run across a discarded piece again later down the path. If it re-enters your awareness, it may be offering you the chance to add to your awareness at that juncture. It may be an opportunity to discard it again. Either is a valuable opportunity.


I do want to clarify a bit about this portion of my original post. I will add that this is the antithesis of an all-or-nothing approach. The resonance that I referred to is built upon your inner search - and those resources that support your own specific path and process of going within. Let me rephrase it this way - it is my inner journey that guides my resource materials and choices, and not visa versa. In my own journey, it is from within where awareness is nurtured.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Agarta

Originally posted by OhNoItsCritical


Originally posted by Agarta


Through my meditations and going within I have connected with the Akashic records(as they are called) which is the summation of knowledge of the whole consciousness. I see this as true as I get information that later is proven true. thus the Akashic records itself is truth. There are stories of people who have ascended or have turned to light and disappeared and returned with "Higher learning lessons" Is this provable I don't think so but that does not show either way if it is truth or not. Does that mean it is Not? No but in the same token it does not show that it is. Does that mean Truth does not exist? No it simply shows a possibility. As long as the possibility is there, one can not say it does not exist. Does that make sense?
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It does, but who's to say that the Akishic Records aren't just a self-fulfilling prophecy? Maybe you're looking into yourself, imagining what you want to happen, influence, or believe, and manifesting it into your own reality?



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Okay good question but if that were the case than it proves that thought is a truth in itself.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by OhNoItsCritical

Originally posted by Agarta

Originally posted by OhNoItsCritical


Originally posted by Agarta


Through my meditations and going within I have connected with the Akashic records(as they are called) which is the summation of knowledge of the whole consciousness. I see this as true as I get information that later is proven true. thus the Akashic records itself is truth. There are stories of people who have ascended or have turned to light and disappeared and returned with "Higher learning lessons" Is this provable I don't think so but that does not show either way if it is truth or not. Does that mean it is Not? No but in the same token it does not show that it is. Does that mean Truth does not exist? No it simply shows a possibility. As long as the possibility is there, one can not say it does not exist. Does that make sense?
edit on 16-9-2011 by Agarta because: (no reason given)


It does, but who's to say that the Akishic Records aren't just a self-fulfilling prophecy? Maybe you're looking into yourself, imagining what you want to happen, influence, or believe, and manifesting it into your own reality?


If the Akashic records were a self-fulfilling prophecy, I still don't see how that would eliminate it from Truth. I also would eliminate the concern with timeline in identifying Truth - past, present and future can coexist with linear time being a construct of our earthly perceptions.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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Negative beliefs lead to destruction "I believe I should kill everyone" vs. "I believe I should help everyone". Those with negative beliefs will destroy and be destroyed and thus, logically, can be shown to have incorrect beliefs. This is stated as an ideal for society as a whole, rather than a mandatory requirement for every individual in every situation (i.e. sometimes it is necessary to destroy, for instance in self-defense, or fighting for the freedom or the good of the many.)

Thus, your initial statements that "truth does not exist and all beliefs are equivalent" are false. Beliefs that lead societies to destruction have less value than those that lead societies to prosper. This is true for any entity who desires to continue to exist. If you do not desire to continue to exist, feel free to make room for someone who does.

From this logical fundamental premise, many of the other beliefs can be judged as true or false, as positive or negative.



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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How can something appear to exist without anyone viewing it? Nothing can be seen without the seeing. This is why a conscious observer has to be present for a 'thing' to appear. Please show me your scientific evidence for your theory of quantum physics. The double slit experiment shows that unless the wave /particle is observed it does not collapse into a particle and stays as a wave of potentiality. An atom is spread all over until a consciousness tries to measure it. No one says it only happens in the quantum world and not the macro, it is just that they can't do the experiement with a elephant only with light, however they have done it with bucky balls.

At what point did i say we create our own reality? And where did i say there is randomness?
Please read my last three posts, carefully.
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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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How can something appear to exist without anyone viewing it? Nothing can be seen without the seeing. This is why a conscious observer has to be present for a 'thing' to appear.


I never said anything about appearance, I'm talking about existence. Something doesn't have to be seen in order to exist and quantum physics does not say such as thing, as you said here:


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Quantum physics says nothing exists without a conscious observer being present. /quote]


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Please show me your scientific evidence for your theory of quantum physics.


I never proposed a theory, I just rejected yours based on the actual conclusion of the double slit experiment, and the lack of evidence for your interpretation of it.


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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The double slit experiment shows that unless the wave /particle is observed it does not collapse into a particle and stays as a wave of potentiality. An atom is spread all over until a consciousness tries to measure it. No one says it only happens in the quantum world and not the macro, it is just that they can't do the experiement with a elephant only with light, however they have done it with bucky balls.


No, it says nothing about consciousness, only an observer. You see, in terms of quantum mechanics, the word "observer" has a very specific meaning. An "observer" is nothing more than "a thing whose state depends in a thermodynamically irreversible way on the state of the thing being observed." If a photon in a superposition of states encounters an electron, and changes the electron's energy state, then the electron is an "observer." [1]


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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No one says it only happens in the quantum world and not the macro, it is just that they can't do the experiement with a elephant only with light, however they have done it with bucky balls.


I hope that no one is saying that it happens in the macro world, because if so that would be delusional. Quantum Physics also says that everything is mostly empty space, yet, if you punch a wall it feels pretty solid. We need to be practical based on the laws of classical physics, and leave quantum physics to the quantum world...



Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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At what point did i say we create our own reality?
Please read my last three posts, carefully.
edit on 18-9-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


This is what you said:


Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Thinking is 'thinging'.


Probably I misunderstood the word "thinging" but I interpreted that to mean "to cause to be a thing" or in other words "to manifest" or "create"....

What people are proposing about the "we create our own reality" sounds similar to the movie "What The Bleep". This is not science it's philosophy. I suggest these type of people who believe that the mind has an effect on reality watch the movie what the bleep and then watch the critical analysis.

Critical Analysis
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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Thank you for posting where you get your information from, a rant and rave blog by someone called Franklin. Could this be you????
Your personal belief can not fool me, i know the truth.
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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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But don't our beliefs change based on the new experiences we encounter in life? Wouldn't that just mean there is a Truth that is currently beyond our understanding?



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