Netherlands to ban the burka, page

I think this is in the right forum.

So, we had news earlier on today about France outlawing prayer in the streets of Paris, along with France's no burka policy. It seems as though the Dutch are the latest country to ban this item of clothing, despite the fact that fewer than 100 women wear one

The Dutch government will agree to introduce a ban on Friday making the Netherlands the third country in Europe to prohibit the burka, behind France and Belgium.

Women caught wearing a burka in public, on the streets, public transport and in schools or hospitals will be fined £330.

There will be exemptions for mosques, or other religious buildings and for foreign women travelling through the transit lounges of international Dutch airports.

So, what do you make of this? A good decision which allows women the freedom of expression, or what have you? Or just a pointless law when you consider how few people actually wear one?

Netherlands to ban the burka

reply to post by Griffo

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How do they know that fewer than 100 women in Holland were the Burka?

What is the purpose of the law?

If there isn't already a law that prohibits facial coverings and disguises in public places, then there should be. But to ban a specific article of clothing that only one religion wears, is totally against personal freedom and I disagree with it.

BECAUSE, under a law that bans the burqa, specifically, a person can legally wear a potato sack over their head and rob a bank. But this isn't about public security. It's about controlling the way women participate in society:

Cabinet ministers are poised to insist that the burqa does “not fit into our open society and women must participate fully.”

Source

What about the women who don't want to "participate fully"?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

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Personal freedom has been taken away now...I wonder what's next...

Laws are a cage to man, restricting our actions. How is banning an article of clothing...shielding us from harm?

Agreed with blupie above me...I'm sure that in the WHOLE of Netherlands...over 100 women must...

Well I think it's a bad decision..It's against their culture, their religion...you're taking away a woman's right to be comfortable, to be respected (for the Muslims.)

Banning the burka is like banning the cross for Christians, like banning the turbans for Sikhs and like banning bindhis for Hindus. I know if I had any restrictions, any discrimination because of religion...I would be in an uproar.

Not only this...but we're starting to restrict what people can wear..I mean seriously, this will just be the beginning. Soon, "Muslims" won't be allowed in schools or something...classes in society will develop and will widen. Who knows what governments can do in the future...if they ban clothes now...they can do much much worse eventually.

This is one human right being taken away...I wonder what one is next...the right to live?

reply to post by BlackPoison94

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To compare crosses with burkas is totally not comparable in my opinion BUT...

they already banned crosses in most public jobs in Holland so there you have it
And from the article below you see head scarfs ARE allowed.
www.netwerk.tv... (sorry it's in dutch)

reply to post by no special characters

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You can't wear crosses? That's absolutely disgraceful. Jeeez, it's not like you're going to burn if you seem them. It's part of a person's religion, their IDENTITY....look at the irony, it used to be an absolute no no if you didn't wear a cross years ago and now, it's a no no to wear one.

Ahh but you can still wear it underneath your clothing, whereas obviously with the burka, you can't. The whole point of it is for modesty.

reply to post by BlackPoison94

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Islam forbids the depiction of the human form. The burka reduces women to things, chattel, less than human.

The burka eliminates the human form and replaces it with a black, formless figure. It symbolizes the dehumanization of the human form.

The burka also symbolizes YOUR submission to the will of the muslims by allowing them to treat humans as things.

reply to post by BlackPoison94

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The crosses were "offensive" to muslim sensibilities and so, for political correctness, they were banned.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
The crosses were "offensive" to muslim sensibilities and so, for political correctness, they were banned.

Do you have a source on that? I call BS. The crosses were banned on public servants and employees of the state to show neutrality.

A new dress code for the police includes a ban on religious symbols such as crosses and headscarves, the Nederlands Dagblad reports on Wednesday.

The code emphasises that the police are there for all citizens and obvious religious affiliations are not desirable, the paper says. Instead, the aim is for 'lifestyle neutrality'.

Large tattoos and unusual piercings are also no longer acceptable because they could frighten or intimidate people. Police officers with large tattoos will have to cover them up.

Dutch News

I suppose you're going to claim that Muslims were offended by headscarves and tattoos, too.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

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You obviously do not understand how Jihad works. The bans are done ostensibly to "avoid offending anyone". The are in realty enacted to appease the offended sensibilities of the muslims. Other groups and items of clothing may be included in an effort to appear politically correct. In the end, non-mulims submit to the muslims and the Jihad advances one more step.

That you do not understand or recognize the 1,400 year-old mechanic of Jihad, is a testament to its effectiveness.

Everything that is happening in France, Great Britain, and Europe is part of the Jihad. Everywhere one wishes to look in both space and time, one will find that where muslims interface with non-muslims there is violent Jihad.

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