It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by homeslice
Oh no!
now im going to be wondering "whats new" all day...
I really dont think this is subliminal advertising.
Originally posted by Spruk
Mods - i apologise for the double post of the same reply;
Hi There,
I dont want to be rude or anything friend, but this has been going on for years. Simply put its poor editing on the TV stations behalf, since they have launched all the digital services (at government pressure so they can release the analogue band licenses to other carriers), there has been additional stations (7Two, Gem, Go etc and so forth), however the TV stations have not put on additional staff (in the numbers required). This means multiple problems are occurring.
The main problem you are witnessing is for repeats of shows (the full 60 minute production including ads), what they do is cut the live feed to an "ad robot" (Term used loosely), which overlays the new ads. This saves them money by not having to employ further editing staff to edit out the old ads, and replace them with a black pause (which you see in the "newer" shows).
This show you have recorded (bone collector) is a repeat, what you are actually seeing (in the first video) is the former intro to what is called "Brand power" (i cant recall the name right now).
The second one i didnt quite get, however it just looks like an old ad.
Definitely no conspiracy here, just bad video editing, and short staffing
Originally posted by Human_Alien
Stop watching tv.
Originally posted by UniverSoul
reply to post by exdog5
once again
no it is not 'bad editing'
this has been happening for almost a year now..someone would have fixed it because they know its illegal
it happens on LIVE COVERAGES AND NEW PROGRAMS
it happens at almost the same spot almost every ad break on almost every program
if it is an accident it must be a happy coincidence for the tv channels that it almost always shows a brand logo..
do you really think they would let an 'accident' like this go on and not get paid for it???
what you guys are saying is that the msm is giving away free subliminal messaging i dont think it works like that
Originally posted by Spruk
Mods - i apologise for the double post of the same reply;
Hi There,
I dont want to be rude or anything friend, but this has been going on for years. Simply put its poor editing on the TV stations behalf, since they have launched all the digital services (at government pressure so they can release the analogue band licenses to other carriers), there has been additional stations (7Two, Gem, Go etc and so forth), however the TV stations have not put on additional staff (in the numbers required). This means multiple problems are occurring.
The main problem you are witnessing is for repeats of shows (the full 60 minute production including ads), what they do is cut the live feed to an "ad robot" (Term used loosely), which overlays the new ads. This saves them money by not having to employ further editing staff to edit out the old ads, and replace them with a black pause (which you see in the "newer" shows).
This show you have recorded (bone collector) is a repeat, what you are actually seeing (in the first video) is the former intro to what is called "Brand power" (i cant recall the name right now).
The second one i didnt quite get, however it just looks like an old ad.
Definitely no conspiracy here, just bad video editing, and short staffing
Originally posted by exdog5
Originally posted by UniverSoul
reply to post by exdog5
once again
no it is not 'bad editing'
this has been happening for almost a year now..someone would have fixed it because they know its illegal
it happens on LIVE COVERAGES AND NEW PROGRAMS
it happens at almost the same spot almost every ad break on almost every program
if it is an accident it must be a happy coincidence for the tv channels that it almost always shows a brand logo..
do you really think they would let an 'accident' like this go on and not get paid for it???
what you guys are saying is that the msm is giving away free subliminal messaging i dont think it works like that
Not discrediting your viewpoint. In fact, next time I have the TV on, I will watch it with your mindset. Can't hurt.
Update- after watching your post a few more times, those do look too smooth to be the "bad editing" I have seen around here. Ours are very sloppy and not usually related to any corporate products, just short bits of local business or upcoming TV broadcasts...edit on 15-9-2011 by exdog5 because: edit-
No it's not. Stop being silly. Even if it were intentional subliminal advertising (which it is not), there are no laws against that.
Originally posted by UniverSoul
are you kidding me man its still illegal
Why? It's a timing problem. Nothing more. It happens most often with national feeds and local ads... it comes down the satellite from the network to the local affiliate with an ad or placeholder in place, but the local station has sold the same spot of ad time to a local business, and the new ad starts a couple frames too early or too late. Not a big deal.
and even if it was an accident they would have fixed it by now
No, it's probably been happening for at least 10 years now, but you only noticed a year ago.
this has been happening for almost a year now.
Like I said, it's not against the law.
Originally posted by UniverSoul
reply to post by JoshNorton
www.theage.com.au... -and-you-miss-it-aria-ads-breach-code-20081008-4wqv.html
It's a code, written by TV networks not to do that, not a law written by lawmakers.
But the network will not be punished because its breach of the code of practice — which is written by the commercial television networks — is not considered an offence and does not attract a penalty.
Which is true. There's no credible proof that subliminal advertising of this nature has any effect whatsoever. The guy who started all the hubub back in the 1950's was a fraud.
A lecturer in marketing at the University of Melbourne, Dr Danielle Chmielewski, said the effectiveness of subliminal advertising was questionable.
"There is really no evidence to suggest it works," she said.
source
In 1957, market researcher James Vicary claimed that quickly flashing messages on a movie screen, in Fort Lee, New Jersey, had influenced people to purchase more food and drinks. Vicary coined the term subliminal advertising and formed the Subliminal Projection Company based on a six-week test. Vicary claimed that during the presentation of the movie Picnic he used a tachistoscope to project the words "Drink Coca-Cola" and "Hungry? Eat popcorn" for 1/30 of a second at five-second intervals. Vicary asserted that during the test, sales of popcorn and Coke in that New Jersey theater increased 57.8% and 18.1% respectively.
However, in 1962 Vicary admitted to lying about the experiment and falsifying the results, the story itself being a marketing ploy. An identical experiment conducted by Dr. Henry Link showed no increase in cola or popcorn sales. A trip to Fort Lee, where the first experiment was alleged to have taken place, would have shown straight away that the small cinema there couldn't possibly have had 45,699 visitors through its doors in the space of six weeks. This has led people to believe that Vicary actually did not conduct his experiment at all.
However, before Vicary's confession, his claims were promoted in Vance Packard's book The Hidden Persuaders, and led to a public outcry, and to many conspiracy theories of governments and cults using the technique to their advantage. The practice of subliminal advertising was subsequently banned in the United Kingdom and Australia, and by American networks and the National Association of Broadcasters in 1958. (Again, voluntary ban by broadcast standards—not a matter of law.)
But in 1958, Vicary conducted a television test in which he flashed the message "telephone now" hundreds of times during a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation program, and found no noticeable increase in telephone calls.