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The crisis of the 'Gentry Presidency'

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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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i am sick and tired of the corporate hate on this site they are never going to go away either.

for people to even being to fix whats wrong with this country is knowing whats wrong with it and for people to even begin to put that government in check is the realization that it has too much power and control.

too many people are focused on the wrong things which is why we have an out of control government there always something else the solution is obivous.

and i am not a fan of "enforcing righteousness" sounds too much like fdr there are mechanisms in place to mitigate its power and yet nope corporations must be controlled,education must be controlled,wall street must be controlled etc.

government will not ever go away thats for sure but it can be shrunk and its power lessed only if people recognize that is "pure evil" at the moment.




posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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nothing adult about that post

and who do i support prey tell?


You support Politicians that parrot the same ideas you parrot.

The point is you are advocating for GOVERNANCE the same as anyone else,
you are a grand hypocrite and you are to deficient to understand the nature
of your own hypocrisy.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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answer the question who do i support? make the claim answer

we can talk about hypocrisy fine with me plenty of hyocritical postings from you.

but nope lets make the topic about me.

meh



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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You and I agree that government needs to be shrunk, although I am quite sure we disagree as to what degree. With that said we also agree in that too many people are targeting the results for criticism rather than the means. Business itself is not the problem; the problem arises from what government does with/to business. Education itself is not the problem; the problem arises from what government does with/to education. These are fundamental issues which we have only a one-sided debate on.

I am sure most Americans are ready for a healthy debate on the means rather than bickering over the ends. The Republicans are being given this power by the people through elections because they are addressing the means but are doing so only in their own way. That is the problem. If the GOP would allow dissenting voices on exactly how far we should go in reforming the size of government the party would dominate without question. But you and I both know that the party is built on rigid ideological lines, the old Republicans who were moderate are now not welcome and that is most unfortunate.

Like I said, business itself is not the problem as it does create jobs, spurs economic growth, and is a force for good in most situations. But it is counterproductive, at least in my opinion, not to acknowledge that unleashing the hand of the free-market without putting it on a chain underneath a spotlight is also just as bad as too much government meddling. I think government can be a force for good and should be used as such, although limited in the extent to which it is permitted to go.

In regards to my point about “enforcing righteousness” I was only referring to enforcing government to be righteous in its actions, not necessarily in being righteous as in “social justice” for the people. That is all.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Well, thanks for the reply to my question. That is what I was asking. I have seen a lot of left leaning people on this site and Ron Paul ppl saying to get rid of the Fed. With that we are in agreement. But maybe not for the same reason.


Probably not...




That brings us to who controls the money supply in the country. It is supposed to be under direct control of Congress.However, Jefferson did not want a central Bank. So in my view, neither a central bank set up by the govt nor one set up by private interests is good.


I am not sure what is good, I can only tell you that this is not working for me.




Statists want more govt control and free marketeers want more private control.


If it is a family that would like to start a resteraunt in their home, I applaud it.
If it is a Nuclear Reactor company that wants to build a reactor where the mall is
I am against it.

In one case I would side with free market, the other government interventionism

But see how that works?

You are trying to force me to be diametrically opposed, when real concepts are usually specific
in nature.




Having a strong private central bank called the Fed fooled everyone. We see how the central bank uses the federal govt to support its policies.
I see it



They write off the govt debt in exchange for enslaving the public collectively to its system of usury.


I see that



The UN has also co-opted this method. They call it a "public-private" partnership.


I see





This again is where we part company. Marxian philosophy and communism is to abolish private property and make everything the property of the collective. However, in reality this never works.


We part company because we agree it doesn't work or because you are saying the Earth was born wearing price tags?




We saw the centralized planning fail in the former USSR. You remember that right? Marx thought that if the evil bourgeoisie were eliminated, and all private property were eliminated, the proletariat working class would be in charge. No one would own anything and everyone would be taken care of (by the Nanny State). So in essence, private property is gone, but now the State owns it collectively. So you have just exchanged one control for another really, with individual rights suffering as a consequence.


I agree, the individual is the basis of my beliefs, not business and not the state...



So when you say you are for liberalism, I take that you think that means individual rights, but you would be mistaken under the current trend of what runs as liberalism today.


I am for individuals, I think ALL individuals need healthcare, food and a chance to work, while not be used
like a prostitute because they need all the above.

I think, you think, individual rights means the right to dominate everyone with your money or
justify the right of people to be sh!t upon as a byproduct of some grand form of freedom.



I suspect that you may fall into the camp of anarcho-socialist Chomsky. That way, the illusion of libertarian rights is maintained.


I don't know what I am, I am fine with that



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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In regards to my point about “enforcing righteousness” I was only referring to enforcing government to be righteous in its actions, not necessarily in being righteous as in “social justice” for the people. That is all.


been awhile since we argue man kinda missed it


i do not feel that its government place to be righteous its place is to be neither its only responsibities is to stay out of the citizens way or life just to get out of the way and not to keep them down.

for true justice to exist in this land all they have to do is follow and abide by the constitution is my beleif.

everything else falls into place.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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answer the question who do i support? make the claim answer

we can talk about hypocrisy fine with me plenty of hyocritical postings from you.

but nope lets make the topic about me.

meh


You are unable to understand my point -

You are against the Government

You are against the government and you support people who want to join that government

Your words do not match your sentiments.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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last time name them who do i support

or stop trolling.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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last time name them who do i support

or stop trolling.


The republican party and the Tea Party

Thanks for playing

Go away now

thanks



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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its damn clear you have never read anything i have ever written

go take a gander at any gop debate thread



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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Capitalism in America has taken over our government, and has become corrupted, they buy our politicians and their lobbyist influence the law making in America.

Now we the citizens have to compete with foreigners also when it comes to making our elected officials work for us.

Still we, the citizens can not fight a corporate run government that have the power to make laws to control us the citizens.

Get it people we can not control those that make laws no longer.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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Republicans are the dissenting voice for an overly bloated, statist government being expanded by fabian socialists. That is the context and we can see this in the Republican standoff with Democrats now.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Misoir
 





In regards to my point about “enforcing righteousness” I was only referring to enforcing government to be righteous in its actions, not necessarily in being righteous as in “social justice” for the people. That is all.


been awhile since we argue man kinda missed it


i do not feel that its government place to be righteous its place is to be neither its only responsibities is to stay out of the citizens way or life just to get out of the way and not to keep them down.

for true justice to exist in this land all they have to do is follow and abide by the constitution is my beleif.

everything else falls into place.


Exactly! It is not govts role to execute social justice by stealing our paychecks and giving it to someone else arbitrarily. This is a misuse of justice at the face of it.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Misoir
 


Republicans are the dissenting voice for an overly bloated, statist government being expanded by fabian socialists. That is the context and we can see this in the Republican standoff with Democrats now.


That is the context as promoted on National Television.

Do you think a secret group of global criminals would open project their strategy on Broadcast TV?
And then buy the add time that funds this exposé that could threaten their "master plan"... Again
you have fallen off the tracks....

You also fail to admit that you guys want to wield the control of the same state, the most massive state in
the history of the world. Would that ambition make your politicians statists? It would, it does, sorry.
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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Republicans are the dissenting voice for an overly bloated, statist government being expanded by fabian socialists. That is the context and we can see this in the Republican standoff with Democrats now.


Yet Republican administrations have had two decades out of three to take action.

The Fabian socialist meme began circulating during the 2008 elections when it became clear the GOP
was going to have to carve out an opposition strategy.


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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Fabian socialism was also used to deter children from listening to the Beatles, and early on, Elvis.



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