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The crisis of the 'Gentry Presidency'

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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Obama is a corporate supporter and he doesn't run this country anymore than Bush did, why is that so hard to understand, both political parties cater to the powers behind the government, lets thank the Goldman Sach and JP Morgan for the running and ruining of this nation they are the true players in our governments policies and laws.

Still we got the biggest cash infusers in congress, the OIL mafia, the pharma cartel and big insurance monopoly does that ring a bell?

But then again does anybody knows how many Goldman Sach and JP Morgan alumni works in the government and are replaced every 4 years?.

COMBINED LIST OF GOLDIES TIED TO THE OBAMA GOVERNMENT.

This lists compiles the names above and those in the prior diary on this. For more detail on names not annotated in this diary, see the earlier diary linked here):

ALTMAN, ROGER.

BERKOWITZ, HOWARD P.

BIDEN, JOE.

BRAINARD, LAEL.

BUFFETT, WARREN.

CLINTON, HILLARY.

CRAIG, GREGORY. (revolving door)

DONILON, THOMAS.

DUDLEY, WILLIAM C.

EFFRON, BLAIR W.

ELMENDORF, DOUGLAS.

EMANUEL, RAHM.

FARRELL, DIANA.

FRIEDMAN, STEPHEN.

FROMAN, Michael.

FUDGE, ANNE.

FURMAN, JASON.

GALLOGLY, MARK.

GEITHNER, TIMOTHY.

GENSLER, GARY.

GEPHARDT, RICHARD (aka "DICK") A.

GREENSTONE, MICHAEL (revolving door to Hamilton Project)

HAMILTON PROJECT, THE

HORMATS, ROBERT.

KAGAN, ELENA.

KASHKARI, NEEL.

KORNBLUH, KAREN.

LEW, JACOB (AKA "JACK") J.

LIDDY, EDWARD MICHAEL.

LIPTON, DAVID A.

MINDICH, ERIC

MURPHY, PHILLIP.

NIEDERAUER, DUNCAN.

OBAMA, BARACK H.

ORSZAG, PETER.

PATTERSON, MARK.

PERRY, RICHARD.

RATTNER, STEVE.

REISCHAUER, ROBERT D.

RIVLIN, ALICE.

RUBIN, JAMES.

RUBIN, ROBERT.

SHAFRAN, STEVEN.

SPERLING, GENE.

STORCH, ADAM.

SUMMERS, LARRY.

THAIN, JOHN.

TYSON, LAURA D’ANDREA.


my.firedoglake.com...

So again here is the people that really runs this nation, in behave of Goldman Sach.


.Goldman Sachs alumni hold many of the top government positions.


www.examiner.com...

This goes for any administration in be Republican or Democrat and they recycle about every 4 years,

Obama may be a "socialist" want a be but he have have to follow the rules set by those in charge of him

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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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I always go back to Antony Sutton on this argument over left and right




No they were not from television. I have already stated it came from my reading of Antony Sutton's material. How many times did I mention Sutton? See the above quote from my post. Sutton even says explicitly in his book, "America's Secret Establishment," that the synthesis of the Hegelian conflict produces the NWO. The term NWO has been around for some time. It'
s funny that I lterally gave Sutton credit for this Hegelian analysis and yet you still accuse me of getting it from tv. When was the last time you heard Fox news say Hegelianism has produced a NWO?
In fact I am surprised you hadnt noticed how not partisan my position was.
I'm not even saying I don't watch Fox, or CNN or whatever. But that is not where this material came from. Alex Jones has printed even an analysis from Sutton that probably a few on this site have read, and I posted it somewhere.

I think you really did not understand the material from Sutton. Maybe you could study it some more to gain a better perspective.
I think in your mind Obama has to be a neocon hiding in a Democrat Suit, because his behavior doesn't seem to fit with your stereotype of what leftism is.
Can you explain how it is that socialist and communist websites have both commended him for the programs he has implemented? Well, you are right he didnt do it all by himself, he did it with a complicit socialist leaning Democrat congress with 70 members of Democratic Socialists of America. in place to vote the program in. Yes, Hillary would have done the same. That was their moment whoever was in the Democrat position.
Republicans are still primarily free market and conservative essentially, taking an opposing position and doing filibuster.
Obama went about in his campaign talking about spreading the wealth. Remember that? It slipped out and people everywhere were talking about it. Yes he's decidedly socialist and it's foolish to think otherwise.
Look at the Sutton material and you will see it fits the exact same pattern as when bankers financed the Bolshevik revolution.
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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 03:55 PM
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Now, there is a reasonable and truthful narrative!

I would like to see the schism be between the people who promote the corporate spread narrative

and those who think it is vital to look beyond. That is the true battle here, left and right has little to

do with sifting through the garbage we are fed.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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In fact, the entire book is online



WALL STREET AND THE
BOLSHEVIK
REVOLUTION


By
Antony C. Sutton
Chapter II

TROTSKY LEAVES NEW YORK TO COMPLETE THE REVOLUTION



www.reformed-theology.org...



Once you read this, you will understand that bankers and industrialists did indeed finance the Bolshevik revolution, and in addition bankers financed Hitler too. You will see things from a different perspective I think.

And also please note the references used in Sutton's book.



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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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No they were not from television. I have already stated it came from my reading of Antony Sutton's material. How many times did I mention Sutton? Sutton even says explicitly in his book, "America's Secret Establishment," that the synthesis of the Hegelian conflict produces the NWO. The term NWO has been around for some time. It'
s funny that I lterally gave Sutton credit for this Hegelian analysis and yet you still accuse me of getting it from tv. When was the last time you heard Fox news say Hegelianism has produced a NWO?
In fact I am surprised you hadnt noticed how not partisan my position was.
I'm not even saying I don't watch Fox, or CNN or whatever. But that is not where this material came from. Alex Jones has printed even an analysis from Sutton that probably a few on this site have read, and I posted it somewhere.


Well, I am sorry to inform you that the T.V broadcasted the same narrative, it did so with a true display of
discipline and intent. The core conflict between the "haves" and "have nots" is not some recent invention
it is a natural conflict, that can be observed in tribalism all the same.

Why would communists, who hate corporations and concentrations of wealth, further the goals of
their natural political enemies? I mean this is were the fabric of the story you are reciting loses
its sense of coherence and cohesion.

Be a good sport and tell me how you can be against the NWO, if you are not willing to interfere with
their financing arm, A.K.A business? You know there are many good business's out there, but you
fail to recognize that the NWO operates in the same realm. So how can you tell me that you are against the NWO, when you fail to see that they use your ideology as a cover, to essentially keep themselves
safe from public sentiment or action?

I am all for blocking the NWO agenda at a legislative level...

However, your partisan group is unwilling to do ANYTHING to impede the agenda because
you believe in the fundamental freedom of business.

If I tried to stop the march of Corporate induced usury and slavery, someone from your camp
would call be a commie by implementing me into this Acorn, Alinsky, P.C, Marxist Clancy
novel.

So you are against the NWO, but you can't sanction any action against the NWO movement because that
would conflict with Ayn Rands teaching and Ron Pauls ideas, as well as Reagan's proclamations.


"Hey, those NWO business's are bad!"

" yeah they are... but we can't doe anything about it because they produce jobs..."

GAME
SET
MATCH

They win because trying to interfere is commie

and

Trying to interfere is also Anti American

Hands tied, lets just wait to be shot and buried.


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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Obama should have gone for the FED the Banks and satellite corps,


Do your leftist buddies call for getting rid of the Fed? or just corporations? You see this is where you and I part ways on this issue. You think that in the traditional Marxist camp, that all corporations must die alongside Capitalism. Yes, that is traditonal Marxism. But Skull and Bones imported the Hegelian philosphy, which Karl Marx and Engels both embraced, and which is the basis still for Marxian philosophy. Karl Marx was always for the abolition of private property, and socialism is communism lite. Socialism is for redistributon of wealth, in true Marxian thought, seizing wealth from the rich. How many times have we heard this chorus from the collective Democrat left and the complicit media(CNN and MSNBC not Fox) and various operatives. I see it everywhere now, and the way they word the narrative is they call tax breaks corporate welfare so as to confuse people. This stirs up hatred in the people(such as yourself) for all corporations. All corporations under this assumption must be evil by nature. This can only be explained in Marxian philosphy of waging class warfare against the bourgeoisie.
When they are not attacking the corporations, they are attacking wealthy people in general. Obama himself set that arbitary number of $250,000. What this amounts to is an attack of private property and private wealth. As soon as someone makes some money, he wants his hands in their pocket. The Progressive Income tax is a tool of communism. It penalized people for being successful, because the Marxian goal is the Supremacy of the State.
Here is a quote from Marx

Democracy is the road to socialism.


Here's another one

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

www.brainyquote.com...

You say you havent read Marx' Manifesto of the Communist Party? Maybe now would be a good time. Or at least read some commentary describing it in lay terms.
Again, the narrative that Obama is just some neocon serves only to obfuscate things. Unless you want to admit that Neocons came from the Left to begin with.
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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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In fact, the entire book is online



WALL STREET AND THE
BOLSHEVIK
REVOLUTION


By
Antony C. Sutton
Chapter II

TROTSKY LEAVES NEW YORK TO COMPLETE THE REVOLUTION



www.reformed-theology.org...



Once you read this, you will understand that bankers and industrialists did indeed finance the Bolshevik revolution, and in addition bankers financed Hitler too. You will see things from a different perspective I think.

And also please note the references used in Sutton's book.



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I am aware of this, Bankers finance both sides of every conflict, that is a guarantee.

Exactly the premise used for Cap and Trade - or increased production of Oil, both sides are
financed by the same pool of money.

Trying to pin the motive of bankers on any dastardly scam is not very hard, it is such a universal
truism that it entirely erroneous to assume that they can't capitalize from both sides
of any form of conflict.

The banks more money locking up bank robbers than they will ever lose from bank robberies,
this is why your entire narrative is defunct.

If I read that book and it gives me a point of view that essentially glosses over such a fundamental
dynamic, I would be doing myself a disservice wouldn't I?



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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There is no arguing with you. From your vantage point, corporations are evil capitalist ventures and anyone who uses it to further their ends is of course a neocon or capitalist. Never mind what I just provided you with as evidence that communism feeds off capitalism.
You can argue that it is now more correct to call it Globalism. Then you can neatly overlook the leftist component of that and still call it Capitalist greed, without ever realizing the Statist totalitarian aspect.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Exactly the premise used for Cap and Trade



That is a scheme to sack the energy sector and bring it under State control with regulations that hurt free enterprise. But look what happened to that Solar co that BObamsie pumped 500 million into? It failed. And who is going to pick up the tab? The taxpayers, because the State never withers away. So Marx was wrong. His method is wrong.

However, the Capitalist component of this is that people like Al Gore stood to make money off the scheme with his carbon trading co. while sacking the fossil fuel forms of energy. Most likely a lot of Wall Street has money in so-called Green Energy corporations. Obama gets his leftist goals accomplished by using taxpayer funds to support the nationalist oil company of Brazil, Petrobas, and people like Maxine Waters are happy that the govt is trying to take over the oil industry. The Rothschilds sold their interests in BP Oil, and Obama got paid off by having his money invested in BP stock and selling off before the accident. I'm guessing profits were already inflated before the selloff too.
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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Obama should have gone for the FED the Banks and satellite corps,


Do your leftist buddies call for getting rid of the Fed?


I don't care WTF any other lefties think frankly. You are talking to me, I am a lefty and
I think the FED is a horrible force in America. I know many lefties who agree with me too.



or just corporations?


I don't want to get rid of corporations, I want them to retain their intended legal status, remove
the personhood they were granted over the years and get them FAR FAR away from politics.

Individuals that comprise the corporations have there constitutional basis, they do not need
a special form of representation on top of that. Same goes with unions.



You see this is where you and I part ways on this issue.


What, that individuals should be equal? That money and a license should not constitute
a basis for unrepresentative legislation?




You think that in the traditional Marxist camp, that all corporations must die alongside Capitalism. Yes, that is traditonal Marxism.


I have no fricking clue what you are talking about...

Why are straying so far from what I was trying to get out of you?

I answered your post point for point, while you don't seem to be willing to express what you want.



But Skull and Bones imported the Hegelian philosphy, which Karl Marx and Engels both embraced, and which is the basis still for Marxian philosophy. Karl Marx was always for the abolition of private property, and socialism is communism lite.


I wish we could abolish private property, when the Earth was made, nothing had a price tag on it, did it?

However, I know that is impossible and I also enjoy ownership myself, I enjoy much of my capitalistic
existence, but not ALL. I think there can be balance, Marx and Rand are both my nemesis', both
believe in evil fairytales that breed misery for the majority of people.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Well, thanks for the reply to my question. That is what I was asking. I have seen a lot of left leaning people on this site and Ron Paul ppl saying to get rid of the Fed. With that we are in agreement. But maybe not for the same reason.
That brings us to who controls the money supply in the country. It is supposed to be under direct control of Congress. However, Jefferson did not want a central Bank. So in my view, neither a central bank set up by the govt nor one set up by private interests is good.
Statists want more govt control and free marketeers want more private control. Having a strong private central bank called the Fed fooled everyone. We see how the central bank uses the federal govt to support its policies. They write off the govt debt in exchange for enslaving the public collectively to its system of usury.
The UN has also co-opted this method. They call it a "public-private" partnership.




I wish we could abolish private property, when the Earth was made, nothing had a price tag on it, did it?


This again is where we part company. Marxian philosophy and communism is to abolish private property and make everything the property of the collective. However, in reality this never works. We saw the centralized planning fail in the former USSR. You remember that right? Marx thought that if the evil bourgeoisie were eliminated, and all private property were eliminated, the proletariat working class would be in charge. No one would own anything and everyone would be taken care of (by the Nanny State). So in essence, private property is gone, but now the State owns it collectively. So you have just exchanged one control for another really, with individual rights suffering as a consequence. So when you say you are for liberalism, I take that you think that means individual rights, but you would be mistaken under the current trend of what runs as liberalism today. I suspect that you may fall into the camp of anarcho-socialist Chomsky. That way, the illusion of libertarian rights is maintained.
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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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What, that individuals should be equal? That money and a license should not constitute


We have a representative form of govt now. Just because some greedy people are there using it for personal gain does not mean we should abandon the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence does mention that bit about all men being created equal, doesn't it. It says nothing about taking from one person to give it to another, as many Democrats today assert. It does not mean that it is the govt. responsibility to provide health care and health insurance products to people by taxing people. That is not justice and equality by any means. While Maxine Watters was saying"This liberal is all about uh uh basically the govt taking over ALL your companies".... she and her husband were on the govt dole of taking public funds for private use.
Care to explain that? Maxine is also a member of DSA. Yes she is a Socialist.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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There is no arguing with you. From your vantage point, corporations are evil capitalist ventures and anyone who uses it to further their ends is of course a neocon or capitalist. Never mind what I just provided you with as evidence that communism feeds off capitalism.
You can argue that it is now more correct to call it Globalism. Then you can neatly overlook the leftist component of that and still call it Capitalist greed, without ever realizing the Statist totalitarian aspect.


If there is no arguing with me, why are you arguing with me?

Corporations can be very evil, they shield the individual from the tradition recourse of the LAW, which
effectively voids the rule of law in many cases. How can you act ethically, if you are shielded from
consequence?

However, corporations are the new paradigm and they serve a vital role too.

Was Thomas Jefferson a commie because he opposed corporate proliferation like I do?

Everything feeds off of money, if that is what you are saying then I can agree.

If you are saying that communists are empowering and consolidating money in the hands of the
Wealthy Elite on purpose, I would ask if these commies are fully retarded or on drugs.

I never said "capitalist greed", I am referring to greed, the very quality that GOD himself recognized
as a sin in nearly every religion.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Well, I am sorry to inform you that the T.V broadcasted the same narrative, it did so with a true display of


No, it did not. You find me a quote with a narrative discussing hegelian philosophy in the media.
Perhaps what you meant to say is that the outpicturing of left and right occurs in media, but that is a different concept. Or did you mean that Fox news points out the obvious....the left is left.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:35 PM
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If there is no arguing with me, why are you arguing with me?


Ok you got me there. It is just my frustration with trying to get across the ideas.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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no, I never said Jefferson was communist. I said he opposed a central bank. It was Madison who was for central bank I think. No, the narrative is a bit different. I said that a central bank, either private or public is not a good thing, and in fact Jefferson opposed it.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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the most evil thing in this country is

the us federal government but nope

corporations are the favorite villians even tho they have no where near the leave of power and influence and control

of our government.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
the most evil thing in this country is

the us federal government but nope

corporations are the favorite villians even tho they have no where near the leave of power and influence and control

of our government.


Yet

You are actively promoting politicians, who will participate and join the same evil force you claim to
hate.

Go away Neo, there are plenty of other bridges to hang around, grown ups are talking here.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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nothing adult about that post

and who do i support prey tell?



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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I am so sick and tired of hearing about how evil the government is. The government can be used for good or for bad. It can drift into darkness if left unchecked and it can also protect you when no one else can. What you are trying to do is isolate government as some foreign entity when in reality it is comprised of individuals who put their pants on one leg at a time just like you and me. The difference here is they have the power to do great good and great evil; it is up to us as citizens to enforce the doctrine of righteousness on them. Government will never go away, like it or not, so instead of complaining about it why not try and fix it?




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